Re: [RBW] 2 Top Tube Observations

2013-02-02 Thread James Warren
In starting this thread, I wanted to share that my tastes for the aesthetics have changed. I used to think 2TT looked funny. Now it's getting to be the other way around. Purely aesthetic considerations, no claims about function-based design or engineering, were the implication. I was amused whe

Re: [RBW] 2 Top Tube Observations

2013-02-02 Thread Dave
Too hoppy?! Nearly impossible. Now THERE's an O/T post I can get into! Now we just need to mull over whether or not a helmet is needed... (OK, now I'm just blatantly trolling...) On 2/2/2013 11:32 AM, Jim M. wrote: On Saturday, February 2, 2013 10:52:18 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:

Re: [RBW] 2 Top Tube Observations

2013-02-02 Thread Jim M.
On Saturday, February 2, 2013 10:52:18 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > too-stiff design *isn't going to make it better for me*. > > Thank you, those are the words I was looking for. I'll buy you a beer next time you're in the neighborhood and we can argue whether West Coast IPAs are too h

Re: [RBW] 2 Top Tube Observations

2013-02-02 Thread Garth
Double Dave Yeah !!! I'm so appreciative that Grant has the balls to do the 2 TT thing. So much of bike design is Human see-Human Copy. Flat TT's are another "old school" thing. See-copy-see-copy.There's lots of ways to make frames ! Just do it Grant ... just keep doing it !

Re: [RBW] 2 Top Tube Observations

2013-02-02 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sat, 2013-02-02 at 10:41 -0800, Jim Mather wrote: > On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > And you then know exactly how I feel about excessive stiffness. Do you > > dispute that double top tubes would increase the stiffness of the top > > tube? > > > > I don't dispute th

Re: [RBW] 2 Top Tube Observations

2013-02-02 Thread William
Nope, Steve, you've captured the functionality completely. You like 2TTs for loaded touring bikes and hate them for light roadish/randoish bikes. It's unfair for people to label you as a universal 2TT denier, because you aren't. You like the 2TT for touring bikes, as do I. You like more flex

Re: [RBW] 2 Top Tube Observations

2013-02-02 Thread Jim Mather
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > And you then know exactly how I feel about excessive stiffness. Do you > dispute that double top tubes would increase the stiffness of the top > tube? > I don't dispute that double tt adds stiffness. What I dispute is you judging it exces

Re: [RBW] 2 Top Tube Observations

2013-02-02 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sat, 2013-02-02 at 09:19 -0800, Jim M. wrote: > On Saturday, February 2, 2013 5:11:43 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > What functionality would that be? Excessive top tube > stiffness? > > > Yes, Steve, we know your negative opinion of double TT since you

Re: [RBW] 2 Top Tube Observations

2013-02-02 Thread Dave
Both are becoming tediously repetitive; it's approaching rake & trail, speed shimmy, and helmets. One could ask what the point of lugs is, too. Most of their benefit is theoretical. I don't know anyone who's broken a TIG'd frame, but they're bland looking. Grant wanted to make some stuff wi

Re: [RBW] 2 Top Tube Observations

2013-02-02 Thread Garth
ahahaahahhaa like ... why question light bulbs when candles worked so well !! ;) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+uns

Re: [RBW] 2 Top Tube Observations

2013-02-02 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Come now. If snarkiness is bad one way, it is bad the other way. Let's keep this clean. If we can have routine ecstatic praise of 2 tts, we can have even routine questioning of them. On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Jim M. wrote: > On Saturday, February 2, 2013 5:11:43 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar w

Re: [RBW] 2 Top Tube Observations

2013-02-02 Thread Scot Brooks
Forget the 2TT, I'm gonna get my frame pump painted Sam green and go 3TT. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googl

Re: [RBW] 2 Top Tube Observations

2013-02-02 Thread Jim M.
On Saturday, February 2, 2013 5:11:43 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > What functionality would that be? Excessive top tube stiffness? > > Yes, Steve, we know your negative opinion of double TT since you take every opportunity to denigrate the design. But I don't recall you ever saying yo

Re: [RBW] 2 Top Tube Observations

2013-02-02 Thread Leslie
I'm not a little guy, and, I tend to overpack, and, sometimes, don't use due finesse over roughish sections. So, I could understand and appreciate and wanted the 2TT when I initially ordered a Bombadil to be a camping bike. However, when the diaga-tube version was introduced, I called up an

Re: [RBW] 2 Top Tube Observations

2013-02-02 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Do the top tubes, particularly in the smaller (I mean, less huge) sizes have an engineering function, or are they largely for looks? Don't even 56 Sams have 2 tts? Me, I don't mind a bit of frame flex. On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 3:52 AM, James Warren wrote: > > Something weird happened. I wasn't so

Re: [RBW] 2 Top Tube Observations

2013-02-02 Thread Matt Beebe
I also appreciate the parallel 2TT Bombadil.I was sold on the aesthetics as soon as it was introduced, but came to appreciate it even more after having ridden it.Handles great as an unloaded MTB, yet is especially nice when loaded for camping. I can be pretty careless about load balanc

Re: [RBW] 2 Top Tube Observations

2013-02-02 Thread Garth
On Saturday, February 2, 2013 8:11:43 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > > What functionality would that be? Excessive top tube stiffness? > > > Excessive TT stiffness ? Not at all and never, from this owners perspective :) I consider the Bomba Perfect !! an absolutely perfect bal

Re: [RBW] 2 Top Tube Observations

2013-02-02 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sat, 2013-02-02 at 02:52 -0800, James Warren wrote: > > Another generation-gappy thing: youngsters and old folks embrace the > functionality of double sloping top tubes, yet crotchety middle agers > still hold out. > What functionality would that be? Excessive top tube stiffness? And when d

[RBW] 2 Top Tube Observations

2013-02-02 Thread James Warren
Something weird happened. I wasn't so big on the 2TT. Now for a month I've been riding my parallel TT, double TT Hunqapillar. I was home and walked by the single TT 60 cm Hillborne sitting in my entrance hall. As I walked by, I subconsciously thought, "something looks funny on that bike with i