Re: [RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread Joe Bernard
Huh, mine is 57.5. Yours (Dorothy) is halfway between mine and the new posted number. Weird! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun

[RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread Adam Leibow
here is a day in the life vid shot onboard my clem L https://www.instagram.com/p/B2LYQMQlCdZ/ On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 4:43:56 PM UTC-8, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote: > > I have wanted to start this thread for weeks. Fearing controversy, not > desiring to start fights, and worried that st

Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto clamps

2020-01-06 Thread Jeff Bogdanovich
Yes! Those are the ones. I’m looking for (2) Jeff > On Jan 6, 2020, at 9:28 PM, David Carner wrote: > > On Monday, January 6, 2020 at 8:22:57 PM UTC-6, Jeffrey B wrote: >> Still looking, anything out there? Thanks! >> >> Jeff > > Are these the size you need? If so, how many? > David > > -

Re: [RBW] Re: The last of the phenomenal Clem H’s

2020-01-06 Thread Reid Echols
Not designed for it, but I for one (and others I know of) have run 650b on 26” frames with no real problems, other than higher bb/slightly reduced tire clearance. Even the cheapest Shimano b brakes have plenty of vertical adjustment to make such a thing happen. So, not “authorised” but likely p

[RBW] WTB: Nitto clamps

2020-01-06 Thread David Carner
Jeff, I posted the picture above. Based on listing at Rivbike , I think these are the huge. I have several. I’m not trying to cut anyone out of sale, but I would be happy to mail 2 or 3 to you at no cost to you. I am just up the road at 39601. You may PM me if interested. david(dot)carner49(at)g

[RBW] WTB: Nitto clamps

2020-01-06 Thread Clayton.sf
Likely have some kicking around too. What forkleg circumference are they to clamp around? Clayton Scott HBG, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email

Re: [RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread Dorothy C
Joe B. ETT on the 2019 45cm Clem L, measured from center of seat lug to just under the cream accent on the top of the head tube looks to be 60.5 cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop rece

Re: [RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread Mark Roland
And also to be fair, I don't think it would be too common that someone would buy two Clem Ls for themselves (and in fact of course neither did you.) My point is, the comparison between the two would have been mostly on paper for most riders. The fact that the design was changed over that timefr

Re: [RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread Leah Peterson
I really like this story, but for the forced beausage. Scraping off paint? That hurt to read. Anyway, I love that you love your Chev and it is so good to know that you find it the ultimate comfortable commuter. That’s the sweet spot for a bike for me. Do you happen to know how long your 60 Che

[RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread Mark Roland
I don't think this is necessarily subjective. Comparing a Hillibike, aka Clem Smith Jr., which the designer specifically and categorically states is based on a 1980s vintage mountain bike, to a Boulder or a Hampsten, certainly they will be different. If you have both bicycles, and you choose to

[RBW] WTB: Nitto clamps

2020-01-06 Thread Jeffrey B
Still looking, anything out there? Thanks! Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this

[RBW] Re: FS: 62 SimpleOne

2020-01-06 Thread Max S
Gorgeous scorcher! - Max “North Road Bars Are Cool” in A2 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To

Re: [RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread lambbo
I have a 60 Cheviot and a 61 Roadini. I live in a walkup in NYC and have a Volvo station wagon with a roof rack. Because bringing it inside and up the stairs is impossible to do pleasantly because of the size, I keep the Cheviot outside on a sign post. It's not ideal, and I've had to strip t

[RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch
Fell off me kneeler laughing! (Seriously, I use a coffee table height desk with a kneeler ... a bit like a funicular, nothing like a BMW M3.) Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, January 6, 2020 at 5:29:13 PM UTC-7, LBleriot wrote: > > Let me rephrase. I wouldn't climb any alpine pass unless

Re: [RBW] Re: The last of the phenomenal Clem H’s

2020-01-06 Thread Joe Bernard
Nope. That's a 26-inch wheeler. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on th

[RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread Jason Fuller
Even though I haven't ridden any 50+ cm chainstay Rivs, I am pretty confident that I would side with those who prefer the shorter stays: I like to ride spirited, I don't mind getting a little out of control in the name of fun, and I would happily trade off some stability to get these things.

Re: [RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread Leah Peterson
You’ve got eagle eyes, Tom! Yes, that is an older photo of the bike - note the brown saddle and lack of fabulous wavy fenders. I have a 50 on there presently. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 6, 2020, at 4:57 PM, tom coppedge wrote: > >  > Leah, I thought you got a shorter reach stem than what you

[RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread aeroperf
Joe and Eric— I’m not discounting tire/wheel size. Since I’ve had the Sam for years, and am still setting up the Homer, I tried to control for a few things. Both have the same Serfas 921V seats. Both had the same tires for these particular rides: 37mm Continental Tour Rides. Today I set bot

[RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread Clayton.sf
Some *subjective *counterpoints. Owned an MIT Atlantis, Cheviot and still own a Clem H. All of the above bikes would be my last choice for "spirited" unloaded climbing when choosing from my stable. My Boulder, Black Mountain Cyles, Hampsten, and Jones all climb with less perceived exertion on

[RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread LBleriot
Let me rephrase. I wouldn't climb any alpine pass unless it's in a funicular or a BMW M3. On Monday, January 6, 2020 at 4:18:28 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: > > LBleriot said of long chain stay bikes: "I wouldn't climb any alpine > passes on these bikes." > > Based on what? I've climbed (and

[RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread RonaTD
This is a great thread and should serve as a helpful source for people considering various Rivendell models. It makes it more helpful, IMO, when people chiming in described how they use their bikes. For example, people who put their bikes on bus racks, or regularly have to carry them up stairs

[RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread Mark Roland
Hi BBDD! I have a horse in this race (2019 Clem L) but it's not saddled up--in fact the wheels aren't yet built. When that blessed event takes place, I will be able to compare it to the memory of my OC (Original Clementine.) I have to say I am still unsure as to what is making you unhappy about

Re: [RBW] Re: The last of the phenomenal Clem H’s

2020-01-06 Thread John_ C
Thanks for the input everyone! Last question about the Clem. Can I run 650b/27.5 on the 45cm? I already have a bunch of tires and 27.5 is kind of a sweet spot for me. I assume even with 27.5s, I’d have clearance for a 2.0 mob tire. On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 9:30 PM Jason Fuller wrote: > John_C -

Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

2020-01-06 Thread Robert Gardner
That’s a beaut of a Riv in the park! Here’s a roadini on the wall in my house (just put up this wall hanger and I like it!) More action pics, but I just took this one! Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 6, 2020, at 1:43 PM, Adam Leibow wrote: > >  > hubbuhubbuh in golden gate park! > > >

[RBW] Re: Random Eat Bacon Don't Jog Ketones question

2020-01-06 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch
I'm sorry, Tim, I've never used the ketone test strips. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, January 6, 2020 at 3:26:54 PM UTC-7, Tim Tetrault wrote: > > Cyclofiend Jim- feel free to delete is this is wy to far off topic for > this crew, I'm just not sure where else to point this. > > RBW Keto p

Re: [RBW] Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch
By coincidence, Jan Heine talks about 700c vs 650b wheel sizes in today’s article on his Rene Herse blog: https://www.renehersecycles.com/blog/?utm_source=Retail+Customer+Newsletter&utm_campaign=ff743aa9f0-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_11_29_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_f74fbd5ca8-ff743aa9f0-8027662

Re: [RBW] Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread Joe Bernard
Aeroperf, another consideration in the way your bikes feel is the 700c wheels on your Sam. It seems counterintuitive that the bigger wheel with same-size tires would feel nimbler, but I wouldn't discount it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Own

Re: [RBW] Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread Joe Bernard
My windy day Riv has a motor 😋 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the

[RBW] Random Eat Bacon Don't Jog Ketones question

2020-01-06 Thread Tim Tetrault
Cyclofiend Jim- feel free to delete is this is wy to far off topic for this crew, I'm just not sure where else to point this. RBW Keto people (Deacon Patrick?)- do you all recall the site that Grant Petersen uses to obtain ketone blood test strips from Canada for much cheaper than US pricin

[RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread aeroperf
Thanks again for the topic. It’s 60 degrees, sunny, no wind in Atlanta, so it got me to pump up the tires on both the Sam and Homer and go out and do 9 miles with each. Just ride. And it is still a toss-up. I feel more comfortable on the Sam, but I’ve been riding it for 5 years. The Homer is

[RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch
LBleriot said of long chain stay bikes: "I wouldn't climb any alpine passes on these bikes." Based on what? I've climbed (and descended) countless alpine passes, roads and technical trails, with mine and it climbs and descends brilliantly. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message be

[RBW] WTB Hub Area Rack

2020-01-06 Thread LBleriot
Anyone looking to sell? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web vis

[RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread LBleriot
I am a convert, sort of. When I first laid eyes on the MIT Atlantis, I recoiled in horror. I didn't know what to make of the long chainstays and the ever more sloping top tubes. Now, having purchased a Clem H and MIT Atlantis I do see benefits, but as everyone is pointing out, there are some

Re: [RBW] Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread Leah Peterson
This is so helpful and so interesting. You are taller than me by half an inch, and you have the 45, which I would never have considered my size. I need to go re-measure my PBH if yours is only 81... It’s good for everyone to know that lengthened 45 still fits on public trans - thanks for that!

Re: [RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread Leah Peterson
John, I do still have the Betty Foy. I did love it, and I still do, but Grant was right to change that bike in the current iteration of the Cheviots. The Cheviot is better named, takes a fatter tire, and has not-overly long chainstays. The Clementine is such a sweet ride that the Betty, lovely a

[RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread aeroperf
Thanks for this topic. It explains a few things. I rode a Diamondback Approach for 18 years, including when I used to live in Germany and would throw it on the Bahn. It had straight bars, 3x7 speed grip shifts, and brakes big enough for 622x42 tires. But eventually things were falling apart. I

Re: [RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread Patrick Moore
This is an interesting discussion, and the topic is hardly inflammatory. Leah's concerns are real ones -- the incident described below shows that. I myself have no interest in chainstays longer than about 45 cm, though I've not ridden a bike with longer ones, unless Indian Heros and Raleigh Sports

[RBW] Re: Switching Appaloosa from 700 to 650b

2020-01-06 Thread Adam Leibow
I have some bikes with virtually 0" standover which I ride fairly aggressively offroad. In my experience if you bail on a trail you do not sit down on the top tube with your legs perfectly extended downwards, rather throw the bike down sideways and dip off to the side in 99/100 cases. I had a 5

[RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread masmojo
Well, Leah I am glad you broached the subject not me! When I've mentioned it in the past it's been treated as some sort of sacrilege. Having a long wheelbase whether it be a longer top tube, longer chainstays, or both. Does get you some good things. Increased tire, fender, mud clearance. Decre

Re: [RBW] FS: 60cm Hillborne

2020-01-06 Thread Eric Daume
Whew, my procrastination saved my bike budget! Eric On Monday, January 6, 2020, Jeffrey B wrote: > Sold > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > em

[RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread Dorothy C
Joe B I will let you know the ETT on the 45 Clem when I get home - I rode my windy day bike - the Appaloosa - today -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an em

[RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread Lester Lammers
I agree Joe. I may have just been lucky. I would NOT have bought it if I had to put it on a train or a bus. On Monday, January 6, 2020 at 10:26:39 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote: > > "The problem is that we cyclists have a hard time wrapping our heads > around change." > > The problem - such as it

[RBW] FS: 60cm Hillborne

2020-01-06 Thread Jeffrey B
Sold -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.

[RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread Joe Bernard
"The problem is that we cyclists have a hard time wrapping our heads around change." The problem - such as it is - is these longbikes may be just fine as bicycles to ride (I like them), but are more of a struggle to transport on/in cars or buses, carry on stairs and store at home. This is the

[RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread Brian Campbell
Long chain-chain stays allow you to differentiate yourself in a crowded market place. "Better" is always a relative term and for the type of riding I do, commuting, fun rides, the occasional brevet or loosely organized rides with friends, my 2013 AHH does an outstanding job at all of those thin

[RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread Lester Lammers
I have a 53 MIT Atlantis and it is the most comfortable bike I have owned. The problem is that we cyclists have a hard time wrapping our heads around change. On Monday, January 6, 2020 at 7:44:51 AM UTC-5, scott minor wrote: > > Great topic! As a tall guy with a 95cm PBH, I LOVE the new found c

[RBW] Re: The last of the phenomenal Clem H’s

2020-01-06 Thread Rob Kristoff
Jason, great bike. LOVE the pink highlight! Rob -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this

[RBW] Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread scott minor
Great topic! As a tall guy with a 95cm PBH, I LOVE the new found comfort of riding a longer bike. Finally, there are a few bikes that are tall enough for me, and proportionally not too steep or too short feeling. My first experience with longer chainstays was with a 60cm Cheviot that I origi

[RBW] Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread Joe Bernard
Dorothy, what's the effective toptube length of your 45 L? That's a straight line measured from seatpost to headtube at the middle of each tube. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiv

[RBW] Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-06 Thread Dorothy C
My son has the 52 2019 Clem L, and I later that year built up a 45cm Clem L frame for myself. We both have 81cm pbh, so could ride either size. I got the 45 because they sold out of the 52. They both ride great, but his is a challenge to carry up the concrete outdoor stairs to his apartment - wa

[RBW] Switching Appaloosa from 700 to 650b

2020-01-06 Thread Tim O. (Portland, OR)
Check out Bike Insights website. You can compare how geometry changes based on tire and wheel size. Gives you trail numbers and bb height and lots more. Super helpful for nerding out! https://bikeinsights.com/compare -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group