[RBW] Un-racer compact crankset question.

2014-08-13 Thread lungimsam
Where are you supposed to cruise on your front rings and rear cassette if you have a cc? In the big ring while in the middle of the cassette? If so, then according to the Sheldon calculator, based on my cruising area of my XD2 triple/9-speed cassette setup's gear inches, I would need a 30/42 co

[RBW] New build: Soma GR, and a question

2014-08-13 Thread Jim Bronson
Well Grant would probably not approve of the amount of seat post showing, but, it seems to work pretty good for me, and I am comfortable riding it. Maybe would like a tad more elevation to the stem, but in practice riding it around I don't notice. https://www.flickr.com/gp/23646261@N03/8p64BN/ T

[RBW] Re: WTB: 62cm Hunqapillar or 64cm Atlantis or ??

2014-08-13 Thread Keith B
Greg I am considering selling my 62cm Waterford built Hunq as I'm looking for a 64cm Atlantis Keith On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 8:25:44 PM UTC-7, Greggv wrote: > > Looking for a larger 62cm+ Riv. My PBH is 95 If anyone has anything out > there let me know. > Thanks, > Gregg > -- You received

Re: [RBW] new Brooks C-17

2014-08-13 Thread Don Compton
Thanks for your reply. The C-17 seems a little narrower. I have only ridden it around the block. Tomorrow I am going to ride a 40 mile ride out off Ione,Ca. I think that if the saddle seems ok on that ride, I may be good to go. I don't see any breakin in the saddle. On Wednesday, August 13, 201

Re: [RBW] new Brooks C-17

2014-08-13 Thread cyclotourist
Will be interesting to hear how this works out! Hopefully will meet all your needs. Have you ever tried Swift? They're flat-topped like a B17, but a touch narrower. If the C17 doesn't work out, check one out. Cheers, David "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal On Wed, Aug 1

[RBW] new Brooks C-17

2014-08-13 Thread Don Compton
Tomorrow will be my first 40 mile on my new C-17. Wish me luck. I just can't ride my B-17s anymore. The hump that develops after miles of breakin causes me some problems and , after not riding a B-17 for 3 months, I tried one more time. The same crotch problems came back. Hopefully the C-17 will

Re: [RBW] Re: Shipping, Knickers, and Newbaums. Some observation.

2014-08-13 Thread Doug Litchfield
I also use USPS as much as possible. >From paying ebay and other remote purchases when possible with Postal Money orders to shipping my own sales almost exclusively with them. And my regular mail carrier will sometimes drop packages off earlier than normal on his route... "I thought you might like

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell has let me down.

2014-08-13 Thread cyclotourist
I see what you did there. Cheers, David "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > That's a mammoth sized tool box, Bill! > > With abandon, > Patrick > > > On Wednesday, August 13, 2014 3:07:22 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wro

Re: [RBW] Re: Shipping, Knickers, and Newbaums. Some observation.

2014-08-13 Thread cyclotourist
LOVE working w/ the USPS. I can't believe the over and above service they have provided me (UPS guy is pretty good as well). Still the best deal I know of! Cheers, David "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 7:49 PM, Goshen Peter wrote: > I also pr

Re: [RBW] Re: Shipping, Knickers, and Newbaums. Some observation.

2014-08-13 Thread Liesl
I too love the maroon, but sadly note that it can fade to brown over time. Most noted on the proto bleriot which serves winter duty and sometimes sits in an exceptionally sunny spot at work. No shellack on that bar. I love the idea of a private newbaums tape library. Will order some random colo

[RBW] Re: Attn: Big mileage riders

2014-08-13 Thread Mike
Love it! And I love my Schwalbe tires, especially the standard Marathons. I have 32s, 35s, 38s and even some 47s. I think between all the tires I've had a combined number of flats that's less than 10 over 5yrs. I've also got some Supremes and while they're niceā€¦ I don't know, I grown to love th

Re: [RBW] Re: Shipping, Knickers, and Newbaums. Some observation.

2014-08-13 Thread Goshen Peter
I also prefer USPS, the shipping is just a fast nowadays, you get tracking and its cheaper. Oh, and they wouldn't need zero interest loans if they weren't the only federal agency required to fully fund an employee's pension when they are hired. Find me a company that can operate in the black under

Re: [RBW] Re: Flat bar Roadeo

2014-08-13 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 08/13/2014 09:36 PM, Will wrote: You know... this invites scope creep. A rodeo with bars like this is a town bike. Nothing wrong with that. But it needs stay braise-ons to secure racks for utility shopping. That moves into Homer terrritory. It is a slippery slope. I say do the braise ons an

[RBW] Re: Flat bar Roadeo

2014-08-13 Thread Will
You know... this invites scope creep. A rodeo with bars like this is a town bike. Nothing wrong with that. But it needs stay braise-ons to secure racks for utility shopping. That moves into Homer terrritory. It is a slippery slope. I say do the braise ons and let the chips fall wherever they f

[RBW] Re: Shipping, Knickers, and Newbaums. Some observation.

2014-08-13 Thread Matthew J
I use USPS when I sell parts. I like them a lot. Less expensive, fast, reliable, and their new website is real easy to use. Living in an urban multi-family building without a doorman, USPS is the only carrier that delivers when I am not there (they have special keys that open the common door

[RBW] Re: "You cannot create a post that contains no content or attachments." error message

2014-08-13 Thread lungimsam
Maybe with more or less returns an back spaces, but it works. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: "You cannot create a post that contains no content or attachments." error message

2014-08-13 Thread lungimsam
Has happened to me many, many, many times, and on different computers. So annoying. But I have found the secret to defeating the glitch. What is happening is: When I go to post, sometimes the posting window loads with a gray colored cursor hash mark in the upper left corner of the text window. I

[RBW] Re: Rivendell has let me down.

2014-08-13 Thread Bill Lindsay
Well you have a mammoth sized dog, if it can eat a Hunqapillar. -SMILE- On Wednesday, August 13, 2014 4:06:12 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: > > That's a mammoth sized tool box, Bill! > > With abandon, > Patrick > > On Wednesday, August 13, 2014 3:07:22 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote: >> >> Deac

[RBW] Re: Was Redemption, now fly fishing

2014-08-13 Thread Evan
I, too, fly fish. Just once or twice each summer. Dry flies. Mostly the Yuba River and thereabouts in Nevada County, CA. Evan E. SF,CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

[RBW] Re: Shipping, Knickers, and Newbaums. Some observation.

2014-08-13 Thread Bill Lindsay
Newbaums maroon and purple are both really nice colors, I agree. I'd recommend you get in the habit of stocking up on cloth tape like Newbaums. Keep it in the same box as the shellac and the $0.29 brushes and the hemp twine. Buy various colors that catch your eye at the LBS, and put them in

[RBW] Re: Shipping, Knickers, and Newbaums. Some observation.

2014-08-13 Thread Deacon Patrick
If USPS had to operate in the black instead of being subsidized through nearly free loans (totaling $10 billion a few years ago) they would cost more and/or deliver slower. As it is, they get a lot of things wrong, but we keep using them because we understand the cost differential with other ca

[RBW] Re: Rivendell has let me down.

2014-08-13 Thread Deacon Patrick
That's a mammoth sized tool box, Bill! With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, August 13, 2014 3:07:22 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Deacon Patrick > > I went through my parts box and confirmed that I have a spare Hunqapillar. > I'll send it to you if you promise to forgive your dog for eating

Re: [RBW] The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

2014-08-13 Thread David Sprunger
A tale of two rivies, two large rivies. One is set up as a sport touring bike for pleasure rides. The other is a work horse that I use for commuting. 1. 26 pounds. Custom frame, 65cm. Set up with XTR M900 drive train and hubs. Paul braze-on Racer brakes. Nitto lugged stem and seat post. 48cm Noodl

[RBW] Attn: Big mileage riders

2014-08-13 Thread dougP
The Blug has some interesting photos of a Schwalbe Marathon that went 14,000 miles. There's no tread left on the center, so it pretty much earned its keep a while back, IMHO. BUT, at the end of story, Rivendell says "Anybody who buys a Marathon Plus from us and rides it 14,000 miles gets a fr

[RBW] Re: Rivendell has let me down.

2014-08-13 Thread Ron Mc
she actually did when she was a kitten - in fact, we took her everywhere, but she developed motion sickness as she grew up, so we still travel some with her, but no more big adventures.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell has let me down.

2014-08-13 Thread Ryan
Don't tell me your cat goes for rides with you! Does she/he? Lovely cat On Wednesday, August 13, 2014 8:07:31 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: > > I've always worried about my cat scratching-post-ing my tires, though we > seem to have an agreement > > >

[RBW] Re: Rivendell has let me down.

2014-08-13 Thread Bill Lindsay
Deacon Patrick I went through my parts box and confirmed that I have a spare Hunqapillar. I'll send it to you if you promise to forgive your dog for eating the last one. On Wednesday, August 13, 2014 5:45:43 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: > > My dog ate my Hunqapillar! Grin. > > With abando

[RBW] Shipping, Knickers, and Newbaums. Some observation.

2014-08-13 Thread 'jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch
I've received a couple items in the mail this week and wanted to give some quick feedback. The recent thread on knickers and subsequent endorsements of the Swrve offerings had me checking them out. I noticed they had some closeouts and snagged a pair of the cotton regular fits in grey. They sug

[RBW] Re: FS/WTT: Nitto Technomic and Moustache

2014-08-13 Thread Mike K.
Bump and price drop. $35 each, shipped CONUS. Paypal encouraged as long as fees are covered. - Mike K. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-

[RBW] Re: Touring Shoes/Pedals

2014-08-13 Thread Matthew J
Just for an alternative viewpoint: My very brief experiment with clipless pedals demonstrated that having my feet locked into one position results in total agony. I move my feet around the on the pedalsa lot. My (failed) experiment resulted in someone getting a really good deal on a set

[RBW] Re: Cambium Test. & Stainless Steel Spoke Corrosion? & 7-speed Hubs?

2014-08-13 Thread Matthew J
> My understanding was that they were OEMed by Selle Italia for Brooks. Selle Italia owns Brooks. Appears the Cambium is an effort to expand sales in markets where the Brooks name is better known to customers who either want to have alternatives to their Brooks products or would not necessarily

[RBW] Re: Rivendell has let me down.

2014-08-13 Thread Ron Mc
I don't know about that, but I'm sure impressed by his inventory. On Wednesday, August 13, 2014 11:56:01 AM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote: > > I nominate Bill Lindsay for the 2014 Nobel Peace Prize... YOU ROCK, BILL > !!! > > On Monday, August 11, 2014 11:19:51 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: >>

[RBW] Re: Rivendell has let me down.

2014-08-13 Thread Montclair BobbyB
I nominate Bill Lindsay for the 2014 Nobel Peace Prize... YOU ROCK, BILL !!! On Monday, August 11, 2014 11:19:51 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > I went through my parts box and confirmed that I have a set of Resurrectio > decals of the thick and burly variety. Rivendell has been so exceedingly

[RBW] FS- new TRP drilled brake levers- RRL SR gum

2014-08-13 Thread Bruce Smitham
I noticed these were selling new on eBay for $70 plus shipping so would like to reduce them to $75 shipped if anyone needs them. If not I'll just keep them in a box for another project down the road... Thx -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners

[RBW] Re: Rivendell has let me down.

2014-08-13 Thread hsmitham
I don't know about sea water or Atlantis across her intestines but now she wants to tour! ~Hugh On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 5:08:19 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: > > "The dog ate my decals." Next time she gets an X-ray, it'll say > "Atlantis" on her intestines. > > dougP > > On Tuesday, August

[RBW] Re: Rivendell has let me down.

2014-08-13 Thread Ron Mc
silly me, I thought we were hijacking a baked and eaten topic just because we could. On Wednesday, August 13, 2014 10:42:57 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote: > > I realize we're all trying to make the best of an awkward thread, but > let's be clear about something: There's no way Rivendell sent the

[RBW] Re: Rivendell has let me down.

2014-08-13 Thread Joe Bernard
I realize we're all trying to make the best of an awkward thread, but let's be clear about something: There's no way Rivendell sent the wrong product, then refused to deal with the mistake. Thank you. Joe "revealer of the obvious" Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Wednesday, August 13, 2014 7:38:44 AM UT

[RBW] Re: Cambium Test. & Stainless Steel Spoke Corrosion? & 7-speed Hubs?

2014-08-13 Thread David Banzer
That was kind of my point. For leather saddles, Brooks already has tooling and machinery in place. For the new Cambium's, they're paying a subcontractor to make a new saddle model, needing new tooling and machinery. No matter who is making it, new products require initial investment to produce,

[RBW] Re: Flat bar Roadeo

2014-08-13 Thread reynoldslugs
I put On-One Mary Flat bars on a few of my bikes. Mount them upside down, cafe racer style - they are very comfortable, ergonomic, and functional. I have them on a Bob Jackson and a Pereira: Jackson: https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157637495551626/ Pereira: https://www.fli

[RBW] Re: Cambium Test. & Stainless Steel Spoke Corrosion? & 7-speed Hubs?

2014-08-13 Thread Peter Adler
Waitaminute - the Cambiums on sale at my LBS are clearly labeled "Made in Italy". My understanding was that they were OEMed by Selle Italia for Brooks. How does Brooks' tooling and machinery have any bearing on the price of a saddle manufactured by a subcontractor? Maybe I'm missing some key bi

[RBW] Re: Water Bottles Tested and Rated

2014-08-13 Thread Jack K
RBW'ers, I added a CamelBak Podium to an order from Wiggle in the UK last winter and that has become my favorite bottle. I particularly like that the screw-on cap has a flow "lock off" setting, so the bottle can be transported with little or no chance of leakage. This bottle from the UK is clea

[RBW] Re: Was Redemption, now fly fishing

2014-08-13 Thread Ron Mc
ok, a plug - if any of you like slow noodle-y Japanese 3-wt rods (tight spaces, great roll-casting), my good friend here is selling the same 6-pc. Axisco Arrite rod in my photo above. http://fiberglassflyrodders.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=48493 I've known Matt for years, and bought my 193

[RBW] Re: Was Redemption, now fly fishing

2014-08-13 Thread Leslie
I do. I've not done the two together, but see it as a future combo. When biking from the house, my usual jaunt along the Greenbelt runs down along Reedy Creek (a not-so-healthy stream, lots of farmland sediment from upstream, etc), past its confluence with the South Fork of the Holston Ri

[RBW] Re: Touring Shoes/Pedals

2014-08-13 Thread 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch
Just for an alternative viewpoint: My very brief experiment with clipless pedals demonstrated that having my feet locked into one position results in total agony. I move my feet around the on the pedalsa lot. My (failed) experiment resulted in someone getting a really good deal on a set

[RBW] Re: FS: Rivish things for sale...8 of them...

2014-08-13 Thread lungimsam
> > Price changes: > *1. Shimano BLR400 brake levers -* 35$ shipped CONUS Original owner. Less than 1k on them I would guess. *2. Dia-Compe Gran Compe Brake levers* - 35$ shipped CONUS *5. MKS Toe clips steel medium deep* - some scratches but in nice condition with bolts -20$ Shipped CONUS *

[RBW] Re: FS: Rivish things for sale...8 of them...

2014-08-13 Thread lungimsam
Crystal Fella' is sold! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

[RBW] Re: Was Redemption, now fly fishing

2014-08-13 Thread Ron Mc
Many years ago I had a weekend-over business trip in SW NY state. I planned and took my weekend into the PA Grand Canyon, stayed at a B&B that included a bicycle, and bike-fished Slate Run and Pine Creek. On Wednesday, August 13, 2014 9:40:14 AM UTC-5, Justin Schoop wrote: > > I will be loadi

[RBW] Re: Was Redemption, now fly fishing

2014-08-13 Thread Justin Schoop
I will be loading my Hunq up next week for a two day/night fly fishing excursion along the Jackson River in Virginia! On Monday, August 11, 2014 12:12:24 PM UTC-4, Roy Drinkwater wrote: > > The Redemption topic got me thinking about how many RBW members fly > fish. I know that Grant fishe

[RBW] Re: Rivendell has let me down.

2014-08-13 Thread Ron Mc
Acorn tall rando which I use with a Bertaud decaleur - it's an 11-liter bag - I can put a small watermelon in it (and have...) On Wednesday, August 13, 2014 9:25:41 AM UTC-5, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro wrote: > > I se

[RBW] Re: Rivendell has let me down.

2014-08-13 Thread Andrew Marchant-Shapiro
I see you've let the cat out of the bag. Nice bag, BTW. What is it? On Wednesday, August 13, 2014 9:07:31 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote: > > I've always worried about my cat scratching-post-ing my tires, though we > seem to have an agreement > > >

Re: [RBW] Looking for a 61 cm Atlantis

2014-08-13 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Both. It's a great all around bike. Pretty standard Riv build, Alba bars with bar ends On Aug 13, 2014, at 1:42 AM, "Comotion001" wrote: > Thanks for the offer. Do you use the Atlantis for general riding or just > touring. Curious about how it rides both loaded and unloaded. Do you have

Re: [RBW] Re: Touring Shoes/Pedals

2014-08-13 Thread Andrew Marchant-Shapiro
It wouldn't have been pulling out. That's the point. It's a question of what happened when I collided. With the SPDs, I didn't have to think about pulling out, because the pedals are designed to release when force is applied in a certain fashion (much as ski bindings are designed). That is

Re: [RBW] Was Redemption, now fly fishing

2014-08-13 Thread Ron Mc
Hey, I'll play. We fish 12 months/year here. The Texas hill country has limestone warmwater creeks. The southernmost trout tailwater in the US is 20 minutes from my house, and is in John Ross's book America's 100 Best Trout Streams (I fished with John when he was down here). I'm two hours s

[RBW] Re: Flat bar Roadeo

2014-08-13 Thread Kieran J
This is a nice addition actually, as the original version had limited room for grips, levers, shifters, a bell, etc. I'm now on Soma Clarence bars - not nearly as aesthetically pleasing, but the 660mm width is good for me. I've also got a Sycip Singlesbar on its way to me to try out as well. K

[RBW] Re: Flat bar Roadeo

2014-08-13 Thread Matthew J
> The Ahearne/MAP bar was in theory my favourite handlebar, but turned out to be ever-ever-EVER so too-narrow for my tall self. There's something perfect about the bends and the sweep MAP also comes in an extended grip size now but I think it is about as narrow. http://www.ahearnecycles.com/sh

[RBW] Re: Flat bar Roadeo

2014-08-13 Thread Matthew J
> Jared got back to me that it's an Ahearne map bar. Nice clean look. Cool!. MAP sweeps back more than the Jitensha. I guess the angle of the Blug photos does not show as much. While I prefer the Jitensha, MAP is 25.4 so fits a wider range of stems. -- You received this message because you

Re: [RBW] Compass 650b 38 vs. 650b 42 mm tires question.

2014-08-13 Thread Steven Frederick
I put a set of those on the Stag and they're pretty great. On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Jim Bronson wrote: > I run the 38mm LoupLoups... > > > -- > Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owne

Re: [RBW] Re: Touring Shoes/Pedals

2014-08-13 Thread Matthew J
> Prior to that, I'd been using clips and straps, and I have no confidence that I would have released from those, and a fair degree of confidence that I would have had seriously damaged legs. You are strapping too tight if you cannot pull out of clips and straps as fast as slipping out of clipl

[RBW] Re: Flat bar Roadeo

2014-08-13 Thread Kieran J
The Ahearne/MAP bar was in theory my favourite handlebar, but turned out to be ever-ever-EVER so too-narrow for my tall self. There's something perfect about the bends and the sweep. I flipped it to my partner for her city bike, now it's her favourite! :-) KJ On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 8:20

Re: [RBW] Was Redemption, now fly fishing

2014-08-13 Thread Scott Henry
I do, I don't combine the two often, but I enjoy fly fishing, and fishing in general, especially with my sons. I have a great Browning takedown rod that fits inside a 2foot case. It could easily stick out the top of a pannier or onto a rear rack, mostly though, I use it from a kayak. Scott Dayto

[RBW] Re: Looking for a 61 cm Atlantis

2014-08-13 Thread David Spranger
I live in Charlotte. I don't have an Atlantis and I am not interested in selling any of my Rivs, however I have three Rivendell bikes that may fit you if you wish to try out before ordering one. 60 cm Rambouillet, 62 cm SimpleOne and 63 cm A Homer Hilsen. You can private message me if you wish

[RBW] Re: Rivendell has let me down.

2014-08-13 Thread Ron Mc
I've always worried about my cat scratching-post-ing my tires, though we seem to have an agreement On Wednesday, August 13, 2014 7:45:43 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: > > My dog ate my Hun

[RBW] Re: Rivendell has let me down.

2014-08-13 Thread Deacon Patrick
My dog ate my Hunqapillar! Grin. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To pos

Re: [RBW] Re: Touring Shoes/Pedals

2014-08-13 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 08/13/2014 07:33 AM, ascpgh wrote: My shoe preference came from experience with fit and quality. Don't like estimating how a shoe fits after break-in, those that changed from the out of box fit offered that as a clue to their overall longevity. Then I tried a pair of Sidi, they fit out of

[RBW] Re: Rivendell has let me down.

2014-08-13 Thread RJM
I would just like to add that my dog chewed on my Rivendell bike capit t'was a sad day...sad indeed. It has some beausage now though. On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 7:08:19 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote: > > "The dog ate my decals." Next time she gets an X-ray, it'll say > "Atlantis" on her intes

[RBW] Re: Touring Shoes/Pedals

2014-08-13 Thread ascpgh
My input follows input is in the Bell curve: The dual use pedals are convenient in idea but in regular use you'll find yourself wanting to install either a full-on platform or clipless pedal after your use pattern settles in. My shoe preference came from experience with fit and quality. Don't l

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell has let me down.

2014-08-13 Thread Ron Mc
I want to take this opportunity to put in a good word for Spenser. I don't know him personally, though we've swapped many e-mails and he's done enough thoughtful things for me, that I consider him a friend. He's keep me informed about OOS inventory - over months (like the cork grips for my da

[RBW] Re: Cambium Test. & Stainless Steel Spoke Corrosion? & 7-speed Hubs?

2014-08-13 Thread rperks
Take a look at the face of the broken spokes with a magnifying glass. If there is a bit of corrosion in the face, say more than the area that looks freshly broken, then the rust may have been working its way in there for a while. I have a wheel that I bought as a test sample for possible OEM s