What do you guys think about Python's grouping of code via indentation?
Is it good - perhaps because it saves space and eliminates keypresses?
Or is it bad - perhaps because it makes program flow dependent on
invisible, and unpronouncable characters - and results in more
manual alignment issues
Peter Otten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted:
> I, Tim Tyler wrote:
> > What do you guys think about Python's grouping of code via indentation?
>
> This is a Python newsgroup. Assume that we all have been brainwashed.
;-)
I had a good look for comp.lang.python.
Javier Bezos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted:
> "Tim Tyler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribi? en el mensaje
> > What do you guys think about Python's grouping of code via indentation?
> >
> > Is it good - perhaps because it saves space and elimina
Mike Wimpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted:
> Other than being used to wrap Java classes, what other real use is
> there for Jython being that Python has many other GUI toolkits
> available? Also, these toolkits like Tkinter are so much better for
> client usage (and faster) than Swing, so wha
I, Tim Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted:
> What do you guys think about Python's grouping of code via
> indentation?
Some relevant resources:
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?PythonWhiteSpaceDiscussion
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?IndentationEqualsGrouping
http:
Like C, Python seems to insist I declare functions before calling
them - rather than, say, scanning to the end of the current script
when it can't immediately find what function I'm referring to.
C lets you predeclare functions to allow for the existence of
functions with circular dependencies.
D
Tim Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted:
> Like C, Python seems to insist I declare functions before calling
> them - rather than, say, scanning to the end of the current script
> when it can't immediately find what function I'm referring to.
>
> C lets yo
Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted:
> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tim Tyler wrote:
> > Like C, Python seems to insist I declare functions before calling
> > them - rather than, say, scanning to the end of the current script
> > w
Mage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted:
> check this: http://wiki.w4py.org/pythonvsphp.html
Good - but it hardly mentions the issue of security - which seems
like a bit of a problem for PHP at the moment.
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fuzzylollipop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted:
> try spelling license correctly next time and heading the google
> suggestions that probably looked like "didn't you mean : Python License"
How do you spell license correctly?
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Mage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted:
> Tim Tyler wrote:
> >Mage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted:
> >>check this: http://wiki.w4py.org/pythonvsphp.html
> >
> >Good - but it hardly mentions the issue of security - which seems
> >like a bit
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Hello all:
I've put a new version here:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10204868/replace_parens.py
It's for me, a lot easier to understand. It uses regex to replace
parens rather than using a state machine and conforms to the python
standards for
> You can use Graphvix and Plant UML from inside Sphinx.
> http://build-me-the-docs-please.readthedocs.org/en/latest/Using_Sphinx/UsingGraphicsAndDiagramsInSphinx.html
>
> Laura
>
Keep this in mind: However you write your docs, they should be
accessible for everyone to use. That is to say, scree
On 10/7/2015 5:38 AM, c...@isbd.net wrote:
> I know questions similar to this are often asked but my reasons for
> wanting to do this (and thus ways it can be done) are slightly different.
>
> I have a number of little utility scripts (python and others) which I
> use to automate the process of dec
On 9/9/2011 6:07 AM, kaustubh joshi wrote:
Hello friends,
How do we carry out the command "*cd ..*" in
python?
os.chdir, like so:
>>> os.getcwd()
'/home/tyler'
>>> os.chdir("../")
>>> os.getcwd()
'/home&#x
On 9/9/2011 2:04 PM, ray wrote:
I have not found binaries for this install. The page
http://www.python.org/download/windows/
takes me to
http://www.python.org/download/releases/
which goes to
http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.6.7/
Here are Gzip and Bzip tar balls. The readme files descr
Hello all:
I'm curious if there are some good solutions for using Python in web
applications.
I'm not feeling particularly masochistic, so I do not want to develop
this project in PHP; essentially I'm looking to build a web-based MMO. I
know that you can use nginx with Python with servers lik
On 9/10/2011 4:11 AM, Nobody wrote:
On Fri, 09 Sep 2011 11:37:44 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
The Java compiler also acts as a "make" program. If it doesn't find
a .class file for a needed class, it will search for the corresponding
.java file and compile that. So to compile a complex program,
On 9/10/2011 5:58 AM, Kayode Odeyemi wrote:
Hello,
I'm testing Python's class abstractness and inheritance. Since
interface doesn't exist, I will
like to test how to have access to a superclass method from a subclass
without necessary
invoking or overriding the superclass method in its subcla
On 9/9/2011 10:19 PM, Ben Finney wrote:
"Littlefield, Tyler" writes:
I'm curious if there are some good solutions for using Python in web
applications.
Start with:
http://docs.python.org/howto/webservers.html#frameworks>
http://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks>
Awe
On 9/10/2011 5:35 PM, Laurent wrote:
[troll]
For a serious web based MMO you'd rather stick to low level and forget about
bloated Object Relational Mapping java-like layered kind of frameworks that are
made for Rapid Applications Development, not for efficiency.
[/troll]
I replied to that one
Hello all:
I have a quick question--I am working on a project where a system will
connect to me to get commands. The idea is to make the server the
"client," used for dispatching commands, so I'm trying to find a way
that I can set it up to listen, but poll stdin somehow for input. Is
this a
Hello all:
I have a basic server I am working on, and wanted some input with an
error I'm getting.
I am initializing the logger like so:
if __name__ == "__main__":
observer = log.PythonLoggingObserver()
observer.start()
logging.basicConfig(filename='logs/server.log', level=logging.DEBUG,
Hello all:
I've been using Python for a while now, but I have one larger problem.
I come from a c++ background; though it doesn't help in catching runtime
errors, being able to compile a program helps catch a lot of syntax
errors. I know about pychecker, which is somewhat useful. Do people have
On 4/5/2013 2:30 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 12:59:04 -0600, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
Hello all:
I've been using Python for a while now, but I have one larger problem. I
come from a c++ background; though it doesn't help in catching runtime
errors, being ab
ul to anyone who could offer some help with this.
Thank you very much,
Tyler
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gt; >
> > Does anyone know how to force two separate program launches rather than
> > having both Dispatch commands access the same object? I would be
> > incredibly thankful to anyone who could offer some help with this.
> >
> > Thank you very much,
> >
> > Tyler
> >
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ntaining a
> > > "win32com.client.Dispatch("Broker.Application")" comand, the same
> > > problem happens (where even though the objects are named differently,
> > > they do not each launch an instance of the program; the first one
> > > launches it and the second one just "grabs" it).
> > >
> > > Does anyone know how to force two separate program launches rather than
> > > having both Dispatch commands access the same object? I would be
> > > incredibly thankful to anyone who could offer some help with this.
> > >
> > > Thank you very much,
> > >
> > > Tyler
> > >
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ry and use cgi.FieldStorage() I get the following errors
from cgitb:
A problem occurred in a Python script. Here is the sequence of
function calls leading up to the error, in the order they occurred.
/home/tyler/public_html/cgi-bin/cgi.py
2
3 import cgitb; cgitb.enable()
4 import cgi
On 2007-11-04, Dennis Lee Bieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> '/home/tyler/public_html/cgi-bin/cgi.py'
> ^^
>
> Very simple -- you named YOUR handler "cgi". So when it does "import
> cgi" it
ch on, so it stopped... that's why the other e was left.
On 11/22/07, Tyler Reguly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Interesting... I tried this on three machines Windows/Python 2.4.3,
> FC4/Python 2.4.3, Ubuntu/Python 2.5.1 and I saw the same thing for each...
> It's a
Interesting... I tried this on three machines Windows/Python 2.4.3,
FC4/Python 2.4.3, Ubuntu/Python 2.5.1 and I saw the same thing for each...
It's apparently not a three character issue but rather related to specific
characters (e, n, o, r, t). A further test revealed that this affects one
additio
did the recently for a project that I'm working on... and looked
fairly deeply at Ronald's write-up... It is fairly decent... and I may
actually implement it at some point in the future as a released Python
module... for now though you'll have to do it yourself.
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Hello All:
I am starting to work on a file comparison script where I have to
compare the contents of two large files. Originally I thought to just
sort on a numeric key, and use UNIX's comm to do a line by line
comparison. However, this would fail, hence my thinking that I really
should've just us
On Mar 26, 11:10 am, Marco Mariani wrote:
> Marco Mariani wrote:
> >> while True:
> >> a = filea.readline()
> >> b = fileb.readline()
> >> if not (a or b):
> >> break
>
> BTW, watch out for this break. It might not be what you want :-/
HA! Just found it :P
Thanks for all of your suggestions. Turns out Marco's first version
was really the one I needed.
Thanks again,
t.
On Mar 26, 12:37 pm, Marco Mariani wrote:
> Marco Mariani wrote:
> >> If the lines are really sorted, all you really need is a merge,
>
> For the archives, and for huge files where
You're actually calling the read2() function from within read2(). This
is called recursion, and it is *not* what you want in this case, since
it unnecessarily fills up your call stack. Remember that a while loop
automatically goes back to the top without you having to re-call your
function. I w
To paraphrase this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJOS0sV2a24)
(which is the Randall Munroe, author of the famous xkcd
(http://www.xkcd.com/), giving a talk at Google), "you just type the
pseudo-code and it runs! And as someone said, if Python is executable
pseudo-code, then Perl is exec
It's generally a bad idea to use "except" without naming a specific
exception. The exception you might expect in this case is ValueError.
Any other exception *should* be uncaught if it happens. By the way, this
method will return true for integers as well as floats. For example,
isFloat('3') wi
I can't seem to access the pydoc sever from my web browser. I start the
server from the command prompt and everything seems to be working fine,
then I got to http://localhost:/ and it doesn't work. I also tried
starting the graphical mode with the -g parameter but I still cannot use
PyDoc.
I can't seem to get Pydoc up and running in windows Vista. I can search
for modules manually by using the "pydoc module_name" command but if i
try to set up an http server, it says the server is up and running but I
can't access it in FF or IE. Any help is appreciated.
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:12:28 -0700, Mike Driscoll wrote:
> On Aug 28, 5:45 pm, Tyler Shopshire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I can't seem to access the pydoc sever from my web browser. I start the
>> server from the command prompt and everything seems to be working
Hello all,
I have a question. I guess this worked pre 2.6; I don't remember the
last time I used it, but it was a while ago, and now it's failing.
Anyone mind looking at it and telling me what's going wrong? Also, is
there a quick way to match on a certain site? like links from google.com
and
Adam,
Frankly, I am getting really tired of listening to you. I've seen
numerous good posts on this list, some post more good quality
information and arguments than others, and so far I have yet to see any
post of yours where you do not resort to insults and totally avoid the
argument. I under
>And of course, it should also offer support for Windows, since most of
the computer users use Windows, especially those who need accessibility
features.
uh. no, and no.
Plenty of those utilizing screen readers are using macs nowadays, as
well as vinux or some derivitave there of.
--
Thanks,
The return value simply returns a value to the calling function, which
the function can handle, however it wants. so: for example
def add(a, b):
return (a+b)
That simply returns the value a+b, which you can use however you like,
like so: i=add(2,3) will assign the return value to add.
I rec
RR,
I have not seen anything useful from you thus far, except:
1) "you disagree with me, troll you must be,"
"2) who cares if my programs have bugs and don't compile cross-platform,
defective code is code, none the less.
3) And a lot of unfounded arrogance in stating that no one understands
Tkin
>PS: Be sure not to cause any segfaults because these linux folks can't
>debug for shite!
Or maybe it is that the person fighting and throwing insults around like
candy at a parade can't code for shite. Or *gasp* the library that is
supposedly cross-platform has issues on certain platforms. You
>I also have a segfault. You should fix that, rantingrick
It's clear that the mighty text editor he's wielding in his arena of
champions while taking on the world all by himself does not come with a
debugger, or even the ability to run the code. Might I suggest throwing
your current weapon of m
off the soapbox already.
On 1/23/2011 11:58 PM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
From: "Littlefield, Tyler"
>PS: Be sure not to cause any segfaults because these linux folks can't
>debug for shite!
Or maybe it is that the person fighting and throwing insults around
like candy at a parad
Hello,
I have been on another list with Octavian, and he takes his
accessibility a bit to seriously. If things went his way, he wants laws
where -everything- has to be accessible, and it is illegal not to do so.
As a sidenote, I would like to preface everything I'm going to say by
mentioning
Bryan: Here's a pretty good list for you.
Windows:
Jaws for Windows (http://freedomscientific.com). Not free, but you get a
40 minute demo before you need to reboot.
Nonvisual Desktop Access: http://www.nvda-project.org/
Free, open source, written in python (with some core stuff in c/c++).
Linux
RR, you idiot. Did you -not- read that I was blind and using a screen
reader? And wasn't it -you- yelling at someone about reading and
comprehention?
On 1/24/2011 12:34 PM, MRAB wrote:
On 24/01/2011 18:48, rantingrick wrote:
On Jan 24, 12:21 pm, "Littlefield, Tyler" wrote:
s is awesome. We
for sure need more complainers and less people to do what the
complainers are complaining about!
On 1/24/2011 1:49 PM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
From: "Mark Roseman"
"Littlefield, Tyler" wrote:
Rather, I believe
those pushing accessibility should concen
a selfish, selfish person he is. Shame on you Octavian, Shame on You!
You just showed your true colors Tyler, very sad. :(
I understand Tyler because I know some blind people.
It is very frustrating to be able to think better than many other sighted
people and to be able to do very many complex
>I think you are lying about being blind. And if you are, i am disgusted.
By golly, you caught me in the act! shhh, don't tell everyone; it's all
an elaborate front. The braille, the screen reader, the cane... I just
like to
fake it.
block quote
Well if i were a blind person i would use the mo
RR,
I do hate to break the news to you, but I am -blind-, which is why I am
using a screen reader. So I'm not parking anywhere--the DMV refuses to
give me a license for some odd reason. What was that post about IQ you
made earlier?...
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>Wow! I, I, I, I... is there a sentence that doesn't talk about your
self interests?
It is clear you have been taking lessons from RR; the word I does not
convey self interest, in fact, it is the best word suited to speaking of
oppinions (which is all that these are), in the first person. Lets m
>What do you think Emile?
I think that that starts with you. You want to be more accepting when it
comes to you, but you've had no problems calling people an idiot and
otherwise insulting them just as you are complaining about.
On 1/25/2011 6:07 PM, rantingrick wrote:
On Jan 25, 6:55 pm, Emile
>I don't know why you didn't say this before.
Comprehention, Octavian. I've made that point multiple times, but your
to stuck on talking about how selfish people are.
>The other part of the discussion is related to the accessibility and
care for >accessibility and that discussion is not nice at
"Littlefield, Tyler"
I don't know why you didn't say this before.
Comprehention, Octavian. I've made that point multiple times, but your
to stuck on talking about how selfish people are.
You didn't say that WxPython can't be used with Python 3. Have you said that?
its so
called JAWS cursor,
it offers a poor accessibility in many applications and many other issues.
You are wrong, on all accounts.
On 1/26/2011 10:04 AM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
From: "Littlefield, Tyler"
with JAWS because it is the most used screen reader.
Get off your me soap
>Stephen "Strawman" Hansen: If he only had a brain!
And you want -us- to take -you- seriously? Tell me, what did you
accomplish with that insult? Beyond elevating your own ego and trolling
some more, anyway.
On 1/26/2011 1:37 PM, rantingrick wrote:
On Jan 26, 2:07 pm, Stephen Hansen wrote:
Saying what? I don't understand what you were not saying.
This is a sketch of your point of view and Tyler's point of view.
What has the phrase I told above with what Tyler said?
I said that if somebody can create accessible programs but doesn't *want* to do
that, this generates
>but what's wrong is that Python promotes a GUI which is not accessible
by including it as a default GUI.
You seem to have overlooked this multiple times and instead decided to
shove words in my mouth and continue on your line of selfishness which
is justified
apparently now by the fact that you
Eloq is an add-on, but it does support it.
>but only eSpeak which sounds horrible
That's your personal preference. Plenty use and like ESpeak.
>it doesn't have a scripting language ready to use as JAWS and Window
Eyes do,
Scripting is done in Python, (no, not some native scripting language),
and
snita wrote:
From: "Littlefield, Tyler"
>I don't want to convince anyone, but I just want to inform the others
and let >them know if they are doing something not recommended.
not recommended by -you-, which is different than by a community or
the subset of people you are atte
>Tyler, you are a Linux and Mac user and you search with Google and try to
>explain how many things you know about NVDA, but it is obviously that
what >JAWS
1) Because you, your crew, and your group on a specific forum doesn't
like ESpeak doesn't disqualify an entire re
>* Disclaimer: You are stupid if you think this is true. But seriously,
>Octavian makes it REALLY hard to continue caring about something that I
>actually cared about before and thought was important.
People like Octavian do that. Sadly, it is one of the things holding the
blind community back. I
>Because healthy Linux users ARE NOT equal to handicapped people!
O? I bet I could run circles around RR in the shell, any day. Why are
you trying to promote accessibility for a group of people you consider
not equal to a group of "healthy" people?
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>Exactly what I said. They are doing the same mistake as I did 20 years
ago.
and are still making now... Lack of English and grammar isn't the
problem...
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>Yes but his silence speaks louder than words. He is saying " While i
>won't defend Tkinter publicly, i won't promote any others as well".
That's the best translation I've ever heard: taking silence and
diverting it into your own meaning for what you want it to mean.
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>Man look at the state of Tkinter. Look at the bugs and mediocre code i
>exposed. Are you going to set there with a strait face and tell me
>many people are using Tkinter. Come on Kevin, be realistic!
You also uncovered bugs in WX (remember those segfaults, RR)?
On 1/28/2011 1:35 PM, rantingrick w
am about accessibility, yell at the people charging an arm and a leg
to make things accessible.
On 1/28/2011 1:33 AM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
From: "Littlefield, Tyler"
>* Disclaimer: You are stupid if you think this is true. But seriously,
>Octavian makes it REALLY hard to continu
If you are on windows, you can use high-resolution timers. What you are
trying is physically impossible though: lets say you have a processor
that runs at 2.5 GHz. that's 2.5 billion cycles per second, give or take
a few. So, the lowest you can go is nanoseconds. You're trying to time
like 10x
However we cannot blame the current maintainer...
You seem to still not know who -we- is. rewrite your message using I in place
of we, and you'll be on the right track.
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>See now you are offering truth in your argument! Keep this up and i'll
>move you over to the occasional flamers group. Then over time, if you
>can demonstrate an ability to engage in lively discussion based on
>facts and not emotion, i *may* even move you into the moderates group.
O no, whatever
Not only does this have -nothing- to do with python, but you reproduced
the spam yet again by quoting it... seriously?
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Uh oh, I think we found RR's evil twin: another python to the modern day
visionary.
>Example 1 is not explicit enough. Too much guessing is required by the
>reader!
if list is empty, bla. if not, bla. it's not all that hard, and there's
no guessing that needs to take place, honest.
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Hahaha. You've got a new one every week, don't you. What happened to the
demand to evolve idol into the future or whatever the BS you were
parroting was? So we're on TKInter being fixed/replaced, (which you
haven't worked with the steps people gave you), Idol being forked and
redone, (again whi
>However *we* are going to move forward with or
>without you.
In other words: We in RR's book means RR and this silent majority that
has pitched in so much work to back his last call to move forward, that
we're now boggling in awe at a new Idol. And moving forward means
posting lots of trash, (
>My intention was to educate him on the pitfalls of multiplicity.
O. that's what you call that long-winded nonsense? Education? You must
live in America. Can I hazard a guess that your universal language might
be english? Has it not ever occured to you that people take pride in
their language?
Do you experience the same problem even on an empty program file or is it
limited to just one file?
-Tyler
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Wei, James wrote:
> On Jun 18, 10:45 am, "Wei, James" wrote:
> > When I am editing python program with SPE, I found that SPE will
&g
I've been trying any variation I can think of to do this properly, but
here's my problem:
I want to execute this command string: vlc -I rc
This allows vlc to be controlled via a remote interface instead of the
normal gui interface.
Now, say, I try this from subprocess:
>>>p=subprocess.Popen('v
mance, if you know how to use it properly.
Basically the two sides are that you it ends up slowing things down, it
makes the interpreter more complex vs you should use processes instead, and
be smart about how you use the GIL.
-Tyler
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:52 AM, Jure Erznožnik wrote:
>
So no one has an answer for why passing flags and the values the flags need
through subprocess does not work? I would like an answer. I've examined all
the examples I could find online, which were all toy examples, and not
helpful to my problem.
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Tyler Laing
I can't use communicate, as it waits for the child process to terminate.
Basically it blocks. I'm trying to have dynamic communication between the
python program, and vlc.
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Charles Yeomans wrote:
>
> On Jun 19, 2009, at 10:55 AM, Tyler Laing wrot
Thanks mike, the idea that maybe some of the info isn't being passed is
certainly interesting.
Here's the output of os.environ and sys.argv:
ty...@surak:~$ cat environ
{'XAUTHORITY': '/home/tyler/.Xauthority', 'GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID':
'this-is-depr
Sorry, XD. I'll ask the VLC people if they happen to know why VLC won't open
up the remote interface.
-Tyler
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Mike Kazantsev wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 22:00:28 +0600
> Mike Kazantsev wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 08:28:17 -07
It appears to be an issue specifically with VLC, not subprocess. Thank you
guys. The remote interface works through sockets, which is perfectly fine...
if I create a local socket, I can have it connect to the socket with command
line arguments.
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Tyler Laing wrote
CPython itself can't... but the c extension can. Mine did.
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 9:50 AM, OdarR wrote:
> On 19 juin, 16:16, Martin von Loewis > If you know that your (C) code is thread safe on its own, you can
> > release the GIL around long-running algorithms, thus using as many
> > CPUs as
w.
Try bringing your imports up out of the "if __name__" block. Where you are
referencing getopt (the main() function), the getopt module hasn't yet
been imported.
You can do something like this:
import getopt
def main():
# ...
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