On 1/2/2024 11:56 AM, Mats Wichmann via Python-list wrote:
On 1/1/24 12:53, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote:
On Windows 10, a shebang line gets ignored in favor of Python 3.9.9
(if invoked by the script name alone) or Python 3.12.1 (if invoked by
the "py" launcher).
fwiw, yo
> On 2 Jan 2024, at 17:24, Thomas Passin via Python-list
> wrote:
>
> You might learn about this if you happen to read and remember the right part
> of the Python docs. Otherwise you have no idea what py.exe is up to nor how
> it does it. I would say that most people
TRY(translate,"Move Object")
OO_METHOD_ENTRY(right,"Right Object")
Using this i can reuse all the functions as methods,
but its not 100% stable/bulletproof and crashes sometimes.
So there is the bug ?
Is there a better approach to reach my goal ?
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On 03/01/2024 22:47, Guenther Sohler via Python-list wrote:
> Hi,
>
> In my cpython i have written quite some functions to modify "objects".
> and their python syntax is e.g.\
>
> translate(obj, vec). e.g whereas obj is ALWAYS first argument.
> However, I also
On 1/3/2024 11:17 PM, Thomas Passin wrote:
On 1/3/2024 8:00 PM, Alan Gauld via Python-list wrote:
On 03/01/2024 22:47, Guenther Sohler via Python-list wrote:
Hi,
In my cpython i have written quite some functions to modify "objects".
and their python syntax is e.g.\
translate(obj,
PyOpenSCADMethods[] = {
> OO_METHOD_ENTRY(translate,"Move Object")
> OO_METHOD_ENTRY(right,"Right Object")
>
> Using this i can reuse all the functions as methods,
> but its not 100% stable/bulletproof and crashes sometimes.
> So there is the bug ?
> Is there a better approach to reach my goal ?
>
>
> thank you
>
>
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On 1/3/2024 8:00 PM, Alan Gauld via Python-list wrote:
On 03/01/2024 22:47, Guenther Sohler via Python-list wrote:
Hi,
In my cpython i have written quite some functions to modify "objects".
and their python syntax is e.g.\
translate(obj, vec). e.g whereas obj is ALWAYS firs
On 04/01/2024 04:17, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote:
>> I'm probably missing something obvious here but can't you
>> just assign your function to a class member?
>>
>> def myFunction(obj, ...): ...
>>
>> class MyClass:
>> myMethod = m
ot;Move Object")
> OO_METHOD_ENTRY(right,"Right Object")
>
> Using this i can reuse all the functions as methods,
> but its not 100% stable/bulletproof and crashes sometimes.
> So there is the bug ?
> Is there a better approach to reach my goal ?
>
>
> thank you
>
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Am 01.01.2024 um 12:50 schrieb Barry via Python-list:
On 1 Jan 2024, at 11:14, Sibylle Koczian via Python-list
wrote:
But in all this thread I didn't see a single explanation for my current
situation: one and the same shebang line works on Windows 10 / Python 3.11 and
doesn'
> On 7 Jan 2024, at 15:09, Sibylle Koczian via Python-list
> wrote:
>
> Oh, and the two Windows and Python versions are on two different computers.
>
> Will remove the "/env" from my shebang lines, even if I don't understand
> what's happening.
ctive code should be:
a=cube([10,1,1])
a.name='a'
b=a
b.name='b' # i am aware that a.name also changes
can decorators also be used with assignment operators ?
thank you for your hints
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k):
v = super().__getattribute__(k)
try:
v.name = k
except TypeError: pass
return v
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t experience.
TIA,
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On Thu, 11 Jan 2024, MRAB via Python-list wrote:
From the look of it:
1. If the line is empty, ignore it.
2. If the line contains "@", it's an email address.
3. Otherwise, it's a name.
MRAB,
Thanks. I'll take it from here.
Regards,
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On 1/11/24 11:27, MRAB via Python-list wrote:
On 2024-01-11 18:08, Rich Shepard via Python-list wrote:
It's been several years since I've needed to write a python script so I'm
asking for advice to get me started with a brief script to separate names
and email addresses in on
On Thu, 11 Jan 2024, Mats Wichmann via Python-list wrote:
4. Don't assume it's going to be "plain text" if the email info is
harvested from external sources (like incoming emails) - you'll end up
stumbling over a 誰かのユーザー from somewhere. Process as bytes, or be
r
bash script for all?
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On Thu, 11 Jan 2024, Piergiorgio Sartor via Python-list wrote:
Why not to use bash script for all?
Piergiorgio,
That's certainly a possibility, and may well be better than python for this
task.
Thank you,
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On 1/11/2024 1:27 PM, MRAB via Python-list wrote:
On 2024-01-11 18:08, Rich Shepard via Python-list wrote:
It's been several years since I've needed to write a python script so I'm
asking for advice to get me started with a brief script to separate names
and email addresses in on
s/python/./split_emails.py", line 1, in
with (open('example.txt', 'r'), open('emails.txt', 'w'),
open('salutations.txt', 'w')) as e, m, s:
TypeError: 'tuple' object does not support the context manager protocol
It seems t
t;/home/?/doodles/python/./split_emails.py", line 1, in
> with (open('example.txt', 'r'), open('emails.txt', 'w'),
> open('salutations.txt', 'w')) as e, m, s:
> TypeError: 'tuple' object does not support the cont
On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 at 08:56, Left Right via Python-list
wrote:
>
> By the way, in an attempt to golf this problem, I discovered this,
> which seems like a parser problem:
When you jump immediately to "this is a bug", all you do is make
yourself look like an idiot. Unsurprisi
Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:44, Rich Shepard via Python-list wrote:
Re: Extract lines from file, add to (at least in part)
>On Thu, 11 Jan 2024, MRAB via Python-list wrote:
>> From the look of it:
>> 1. If the line is empty, ignore it.
>> 2. If the line contains "
Op 29/12/2023 om 16:02 schreef Karsten Hilbert via Python-list:
Am Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 07:49:17AM -0700 schrieb Mats Wichmann via Python-list:
I am not sure why mypy thinks this
gmPG2.py:554: error: Argument "queries" to "run_rw_queries" has incompatible type
ng done in a vectoried manner might be
faster than an array of objects, but is more often a sign of poor code.
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2024, AVI GROSS via Python-list wrote:
But is the solution a good one for some purpose? The two output files may
end up being out of sync for all kinds of reasons. One of many "errors"
can happen if multiple lines in a row do not have an "@" or a person'
aren't
context managers, it wouldn't have worked (or maybe not even parsed as
"as" wouldn't be allowed inside tuple definition since there's no
"universal as-expression" in Python it's hard to tell what the rules
are). But, it turns out there's
last):
File "", line 1, in
NameError: name 'i' is not defined
There's no destructuring going on here, just assignment to a
sequence item.
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the term "destructuring" in the same way Hyperspec uses it.
It's not a Python term. I don't know what you call the same thing in
Python. I'm not sure what you understand from it.
On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 12:37 AM Greg Ewing via Python-list
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> On 13/01/24 12:11 a
is of
> no consequence.
>
> > There's no destructuring going on here
>
> I use the term "destructuring" in the same way Hyperspec uses it.
> It's not a Python term. I don't know what you call the same thing in
> Python. I'm not sure what you
On Sat, 13 Jan 2024 at 13:11, Left Right via Python-list
wrote:
>
> Very few
> languages allow arbitrary complex expressions in the same place they
> allow variable introduction.
What do you mean by this? Most languages I've worked with allow
variables to be initializ
On 2024-01-13 at 02:02:39 +0100,
Left Right via Python-list wrote:
> Actually, after some Web search. I think, based on this:
> https://docs.python.org/3/reference/simple_stmts.html#grammar-token-python-grammar-augtarget
> that in Python you call this "augmented assignment tar
anything, it's just the way Python
assignment works, all the way back to its earliest stages.¹
⁰ https://docs.python.org/3/reference/simple_stmts.html#assignment-statements,
¹ https://docs.python.org/release/1.4/ref/ref6.html#HDR2
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I have a csv OLAP dataset that I want to extract the domain hierarchies
from each of its dimensions.
Anybody could recommend a Python tool that could manage this properly?
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On 13/01/24 3:14 pm, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jan 2024 at 13:11, Left Right via Python-list
wrote:
Very few
languages allow arbitrary complex expressions in the same place they
allow variable introduction.
What do you mean by this? Most languages I've worked with allow
vari
Am Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 02:23:43PM +0100 schrieb Antoon Pardon via Python-list:
> > queries:list[dict[str, str | list | dict[str, Any]]]=None,
> >
> >into
> >
> > "List[Dict[str, Union[str, List[Any], Dict[str, Any"
> >
> >seems
Am Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 09:20:00PM +0100 schrieb Karsten Hilbert via
Python-list:
> > I was wondering if
> > your type hint for queries shouldn't be the following.
> >
> > queries:list[dict[str,str]|dict[str,list]|dict[str,dict[str, dict[str,
> > Ant]]]
Wait,
On Sun, 14 Jan 2024 at 14:43, dn via Python-list wrote:
> Similarly, whilst we could write:
>
> a, b, c = 1, 2, 3
>
I would only do this when it aligns particularly well with the
algorithm being implemented. For example, you could start a Fibonacci
evaluator with "a, b =
times?
> For example, you may say "functions in Python are
> objects", but you cannot put a function definition in the head of the
> for loop clause.
What do you mean?
for x in lambda: ...:
...
Perfectly grammatical.
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Am 09.01.2024 um 12:36 schrieb Barry Scott via Python-list:
On 7 Jan 2024, at 15:09, Sibylle Koczian via Python-list
wrote:
Oh, and the two Windows and Python versions are on two different computers.
Will remove the "/env" from my shebang lines, even if I don't un
ell me that a def statement should be a valid
assignment target, I don't know what you're smoking, but I want you to
keep it a long way away from me. Can you name ANY language in which
that would make the slightest bit of sense?
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On 1/14/2024 7:48 AM, Sibylle Koczian via Python-list wrote:
Am 09.01.2024 um 12:36 schrieb Barry Scott via Python-list:
On 7 Jan 2024, at 15:09, Sibylle Koczian via Python-list
wrote:
Oh, and the two Windows and Python versions are on two different
computers.
Will remove the "
t be a bit different and
perhaps someone would simply make a tiny function that when called, invoked
the method.
So, we have a hybrid of sorts and have to live with it, warts and all, and
some of the warts may be seen by some as beauty marks.
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On 1/14/2024 8:54 AM, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote:
On 1/14/2024 7:48 AM, Sibylle Koczian via Python-list wrote:
Am 09.01.2024 um 12:36 schrieb Barry Scott via Python-list:
On 7 Jan 2024, at 15:09, Sibylle Koczian via Python-list
wrote:
Oh, and the two Windows and Python versions
the one where a method is
finally called using some diamond algorithm. It is both extremely powerful
but also silly to overuse such features.
Avi
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; in Python? Please elaborate.
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be where the right-hand side
is drawn from).
2. You used what Python calls "lambdadef" in place of what Python
calls "function_def". I.e. lambda definition and function definition
are two different things, at least as far as grammar is considered.
So, you solved a different pr
". Python is furthermore
unique in how the workaround creates a lot of opportunities for abuse.
> The Python term, at least colloquially, is "tuple unpacking."
Well, why use colloquialism if there's a language specification? Also,
there weren't any tuples used in my example, at least not explicitly
(i could've been a tuple, but that wasn't specified).
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ject, or how you decide to answer any of those questions: what value
does such a claim possibly have? Especially, given the context...
Furthermore, I'm absolutely convinced that what governs the
restrictions on the left-hand side isn't not whether it's understood
to be an object, but the grammar rules, that are unaware of the
concept of objects. For example, you may say "functions in Python are
objects", but you cannot put a function definition in the head of the
for loop clause.
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o
break this consistency: it saves some keystrokes for the programmers.
I.e. allows for shorter programs, while doesn't add any new abilities
to the language.
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defending it.
I am wondering if what is being discussed is in any way a serious issue.
The original question in this thread really was a minor one and how it became
whatever this is, well, I give up! LOL!
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On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 at 09:40, dn via Python-list wrote:
> The basic challenge came from my earlier (and blasé) repetition of the
> Python refrain "everything in Python is an object". Which led to:
>
> <<<
> For example, you may say "functions in Pyth
computer language as being
100% right for every purpose. Python has some reasonable tradeoffs and is
highly popular and there are other languages with other tradeoffs you can
use instead. At this point, making changes without disrupting things gets
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scripts intended for execution in both Linux and Windows. They are ignored
unless you use py.exe.My advice is to give up py.exe unless your use case
mandates shebang lines in Windows.M--(Unsigned mail from my phone)
Original message From: Sibylle Koczian via Python-list
Date: 14/1/2
On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 at 12:12, dn via Python-list wrote:
> Here's another witticism I'll often toss at trainees (in many languages,
> and especially in UX): just because we can do it, doesn't make it a good
> idea!
>
Programming. We were so busy with whether we COULD t
On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 at 12:42, dn via Python-list wrote:
>
> On 15/01/24 14:33, Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote:
> > On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 at 12:12, dn via Python-list
> > wrote:
> >> Here's another witticism I'll often toss at trainees (in many langua
;t require variables to
be declared separately from their use. But this is a very common
feature of dynamic languages generally. As language oddities go,
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't ignored, it appears in the grammar by means of
INDENT and DEDENT lexical tokens.
It's true that the meaning of these tokens is described informally
elsewhere, but that's true of all the lexical features.
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On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 at 18:56, Greg Ewing via Python-list
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> On 15/01/24 1:28 am, Left Right wrote:
> > Python isn't a context-free language, so the grammar that is used to
> > describe it doesn't actually describe the language
>
> Very few languages
cal, Turbo Pascal, Delphi, etc.
enjoyed a lot of popularity. A variant of UCSD was the main language
for Macintosh application development for a number of years.
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using regular expressions.
Although some might consider that this doesn't contradict
your statement about readability. :-)
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On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 at 19:26, Greg Ewing via Python-list
wrote:
>
> On 15/01/24 9:07 pm, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > The grammar *can't* specify everything. If it did, it would have to
> > have rules for combining individual letters into a NAME and individual
> > cha
Op 14/01/2024 om 13:28 schreef Left Right via Python-list:
Python isn't a context-free language, so the grammar that is used to
describe it doesn't actually describe the language... so, it's a
"pretend grammar" that ignores indentation.
No it doesn't. Here is
uded, parent and child can be gc'd
# for ch in p1.children:
# ch.parent = None
# if next line is included, child can be gc'd, but not parent
# p1.children = None
del c1_1
del p1
gc.collect()
input('wait some more ...')
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thon has normal reference counting, but also has a cyclic garbage
collector. Here's plenty of detail about how it works:
https://devguide.python.org/internals/garbage-collector/index.html
Skip
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Am 15.01.2024 um 00:46 schrieb Mike Dewhirst via Python-list:
In Windows the provided methods for running complex command lines are either a
batch file or a shortcut.Someone very kindly pointed out to me in this thread
that there is a PEP for py.exe. I don't use py.exe originally beca
On 1/15/24 09:44, Sibylle Koczian via Python-list wrote:
First and foremost I want to understand why I'm seeing this:
- Python scripts with "/usr/bin/env python3" as shebang line work as
expected on a computer with Windows 10 and Python 3.11.5. They have
worked for years
On 1/15/24 09:44, Sibylle Koczian via Python-list wrote:
In the Python documentation for versions 3.11 and 3.12 I found no
differences regarding py.exe and shebang lines.
Then I removed the "/env" from the shebang lines and could start the
scripts from the second computer. That ce
h "legacy finalizer"s),
garbage collection should not make problems.
On the other hand, your application, too, must avoid memory leaks.
Caches of various forms (with data for several sessions) might introduce them.
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On 1/15/2024 1:26 PM, Mats Wichmann via Python-list wrote:
On 1/15/24 09:44, Sibylle Koczian via Python-list wrote:
First and foremost I want to understand why I'm seeing this:
- Python scripts with "/usr/bin/env python3" as shebang line work as
expected on a computer with
> Frank Millman wrote at 2024-1-15 15:51 +0200:
> >I have read that one should not have to worry about garbage collection
> >in modern versions of Python - it 'just works'.
Dieter Maurer via Python-list writes:
> There are still some isolated cases when not all objec
On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 at 06:32, Akkana Peck via Python-list
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>
> > Frank Millman wrote at 2024-1-15 15:51 +0200:
> > >I have read that one should not have to worry about garbage collection
> > >in modern versions of Python - it 'just works'.
>
> Diet
On 1/15/24 12:01, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote:
On 1/15/2024 1:26 PM, Mats Wichmann via Python-list wrote:
On 1/15/24 09:44, Sibylle Koczian via Python-list wrote:
First and foremost I want to understand why I'm seeing this:
- Python scripts with "/usr/bin/env python3"
Greg
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On 1/15/2024 6:27 PM, Greg Ewing via Python-list wrote:
On 16/01/24 11:55 am, Mats Wichmann wrote:
Windows natively has something called python.exe and python3.exe which
is interfering here
I'm wondering whether py.exe should be taught to recognise these stubs
and ignore them. This s
ication, so there
are a lot of small pixbufs being repeatedly read and then deallocated.
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>
> I wrote:
> > > Also be warned that some modules (particularly if they're based on
> > > libraries not written in Python) might not garbage collect, so you may
> > > need to use other meth
On 1/15/2024 9:47 PM, Akkana Peck via Python-list wrote:
I wrote:
Also be warned that some modules (particularly if they're based on libraries
not written in Python) might not garbage collect, so you may need to use other
methods of cleaning up after those objects.
Chris Angelico w
On 1/15/2024 7:24 PM, Thomas Passin wrote:
On 1/15/2024 6:27 PM, Greg Ewing via Python-list wrote:
On 16/01/24 11:55 am, Mats Wichmann wrote:
Windows natively has something called python.exe and python3.exe
which is interfering here
I'm wondering whether py.exe should be taught to reco
On 2024-01-15 3:51 PM, Frank Millman via Python-list wrote:
Hi all
I have read that one should not have to worry about garbage collection
in modern versions of Python - it 'just works'.
I don't want to rely on that. My app is a long-running server, with
multiple clients lo
On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 at 23:08, Frank Millman via Python-list
wrote:
>
> On 2024-01-15 3:51 PM, Frank Millman via Python-list wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> > I have read that one should not have to worry about garbage collection
> > in modern versions of Python - it 'j
On 1/16/2024 4:17 AM, Barry wrote:
On 16 Jan 2024, at 03:49, Thomas Passin via Python-list
wrote:
This kind of thing can happen with PyQt, also. There are ways to minimize it
but I don't know if you can ever be sure all Qt C++ objects will get deleted.
It depends on the type of o
On 2024-01-16 2:15 PM, Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote:
Where do you tend to "leave a reference dangling somewhere"? How is
this occurring? Is it a result of an incomplete transaction (like an
HTTP request that never finishes), or a regular part of the operation
of the server?
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 at 01:45, Frank Millman via Python-list
wrote:
>
> On 2024-01-16 2:15 PM, Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote:
> >
> > Where do you tend to "leave a reference dangling somewhere"? How is
> > this occurring? Is it a result of an incomplete tra
Am 15.01.2024 um 23:55 schrieb Mats Wichmann via Python-list:
On 1/15/24 12:01, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote:
On 1/15/2024 1:26 PM, Mats Wichmann via Python-list wrote:
Python from the App Store is not the same as Python from python.org:
yes. this question is about the python.org
x27;t keep the Form alive after it's been closed.
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On 2024-01-17 3:01 AM, Greg Ewing via Python-list wrote:
On 17/01/24 1:01 am, Frank Millman wrote:
I sometimes need to keep a reference from a transient object to a more
permanent structure in my app. To save myself the extra step of
removing all these references when the transient object is
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error and work from there.
Or, at least, have some monitoring data that suggests that your
application memory use increases over time. Otherwise you could be
spending a lot of time chasing problems you don't have.
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On 1/16/24 10:00, Sibylle Koczian via Python-list wrote:
Am 15.01.2024 um 23:55 schrieb Mats Wichmann via Python-list:
On 1/15/24 12:01, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote:
On 1/15/2024 1:26 PM, Mats Wichmann via Python-list wrote:
Python from the App Store is not the same as Python from
On 1/17/24 09:48, Alan Zaharia via Python-list wrote:
Hello Python
I Need help. it could not be found for PyTorch. It said in the Command Prompt
ERROR: Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement torch (from
versions: none)
ERROR: No matching distribution found for torch, Can you
tributions to the Python
Software Foundation.
Regards from snowy Amsterdam,
Your release team,
Thomas Wouters
Ned Deily
Steve Dower
Łukasz Langa
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change the language so it pays
attention to what it is giving a pointer too and then goes and tells ...
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)
all_datasets_final.append(all_datasets)return all_datasets_final*
If you have a better Pandas approach (unifying all these methods into one
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On 1/21/2024 7:37 AM, marc nicole via Python-list wrote:
Hello,
I have an initial dataframe with a random list of target cells (each cell
being identified with a couple (x,y)).
I want to yield four different dataframes each containing the value of one
of the contour (surrounding) cells of each
cells)
target_cells_with_contour = apply_contours(target_cells, contour_cells)
datasets = create_possible_datasets(zipf_dataset,
target_cells_with_contour)
print(datasets)
main()
Le dim. 21 janv. 2024 à 16:33, Thomas Passin via Python-list <
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r_cells = select_contours(target_cells)
print(contour_cells)
target_cells_with_contour = apply_contours(target_cells, contour_cells)
datasets = create_possible_datasets(zipf_dataset,
target_cells_with_contour)
print(datasets)
main()
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