I am getting this error in a python script:
File "/usr/sfw/lib/python2.3/site-packages/BTL/cache.py", line 12, in ?
from collections import deque
ImportError: No module named collections
Where can I download the python collection module? I am no python
programmer, but I can build/instal
I just installed active python, and I get this error:
% python
ActivePython 2.4.3 Build 11 (ActiveState Software Inc.) based on
Python 2.4.3 (#1, Apr 3 2006, 18:34:02) [C] on sunos5
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> import curses
Traceback (most recent ca
Shea Martin wrote:
> I just installed active python, and I get this error:
>
> % python
> ActivePython 2.4.3 Build 11 (ActiveState Software Inc.) based on
> Python 2.4.3 (#1, Apr 3 2006, 18:34:02) [C] on sunos5
> Type "help", "copyright", "
it immediately back to 1.
I'd do:
if turn == 1: turn = 0
else: turn = 1
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It is possible derive your own string class from the built-in one and
override what 'repr' does (and make it do whatever you want). Here's an
example of what I mean:
# Sample #
# -*- coding: iso-8859-1 -*-
# Special string class to override the default
# representation method. Main purpo
which distribution of python you use ?
I use the one of
http://pythonmac.org/packages/py25-fat/index.html
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You were right, leaving out --with-pydebug did the trick.
Thanks, Martin
On Sunday 28 May 2006 03:53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Martin Wiechert wrote:
> > Hi list,
> >
> > I've created a fresh build of Python 2.4.3 using the following
> > configuration
>
Nonsense! I meant leaving out --enable-shared.
On Sunday 04 June 2006 16:17, Martin Wiechert wrote:
> You were right, leaving out --with-pydebug did the trick.
>
> Thanks, Martin
>
> On Sunday 28 May 2006 03:53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Martin Wiechert wrote:
> >
http://docs.python.org/ref/augassign.html
On Wednesday 14 June 2006 15:39, Marco Wahl wrote:
> Hello,
>
> by accident I found that += exists in python.
> E.g.
>
> >>> a = 0
> >>> a += 42
> >>> a
>
> 42
>
> >>> a += 0.42
> >>> a
>
> 42.422
>
>
> But I can't find any documentation for +
Hi,
Look at the bin2ascii module.
Philippe
luca72 wrote:
>
> Excuse me again,
> If the string is not a sting but hex number how i have to proced :
>
> look this page:
> http://www.cs.eku.edu/faculty/styer/460/Encrypt/JS-AES.html
>
> Regards Luca
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Hi
I'm a tad confused over a problem involving cycles between
packages.
Assume the following sets of files::
driver.py
a/__init__.py
a/alice.py
b/__init__.py
b/bob.py
Basically, two packages a and b. Driver simply imports one of the
two. This is the file that gets run::
, (driv
Dennis Benzinger wrote:
> Stan Cook wrote:
>> I've been trying to use Eclipse with Python on Linux for a while and
>> have noticed something odd. After running the code or debugging a few
>> times, its responsiveness gets really bad. Upon checking the equivalent
>> of the task manager, I find se
Description
===
Haddoc is a simple tool that allows an emacs user to search the Python HTML
documentation indexes and to bring a web browser to an index term page.
Motivation
--
Even though I have the Python TexInfo documentation installed from my Emacs,
somehow I always end up b
Dennis Benzinger wrote:
> Philippe Martin wrote:
>> Dennis Benzinger wrote:
>>
>>> Stan Cook wrote:
>>>> I've been trying to use Eclipse with Python on Linux for a while and
>>>> have noticed something odd. After running the code or debugging
On 18 Jun 2006 05:25:14 -0700, John Roth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Martin Blais wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > I'm a tad confused over a problem involving cycles between
> > packages.
>
> [lengthy example snipped]
>
> >
> >
> > I don
Hi,
I need to talk to a USB device (PC or other) from Python - I am not talking
about mounting a file system but sharing information as you would though a
TCP-IP socket layer or an RS232 interface.
Is there such "low-level" module available for Windows / Linux ?
Thanks,
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Many thanks,
Philippe
Philippe Martin wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I need to talk to a USB device (PC or other) from Python - I am not
> talking about mounting a file system but sharing information as you would
> though a TCP-IP socket layer or an RS232 interface.
>
> Is there su
Hi,
I know a bit Python as application programming, but very little as a web
server.
I need to get one server to accept connection requests from many devices
(not all PC-Based) and then have a bi-lateral "conversation" with those
devices prior to closing the connection.
The said devices have at
Try Sourceforge.
(si j'ai bien compris)
Regards,
Philippe
Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:
> Gabriel wrote:
>> Hola:
>> He echo un programa en wxpython. Se trata de un programa para
>> desarrollos con microcontroladores como PIC's etc. en cuanto a
>> transmisión RS232 se refiere.
>>
>> El program
Hi NG,
I have writen a programm using TCP sockets. After i get the connection
to another socket I cut the Ethernet cable. Then I send a message.
The program doesnt raise any exception. Can somebody tell me why and
give me a hint how to get an exception
Thanks for your help.
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t; If i removed logging.shutdown(), it workds..what is wrong with my
> function ?
> thanks
Why exactly do you call logging.shutdown() when you use the logging system
again with further calls to logger().
As far as I see it logging.shutdown() should only be called when you're
done wit
On 6/22/06, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Martin Blais" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >On 18 Jun 2006 05:25:14 -0700, John Roth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> The ge
:39 image.eps
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ased on keywords found in the text.
I'm guessing this is a bit too much to ask for regex. If this is the case,
I'll add some more manual Python parsing to the string, but was hoping to
use it to learn more about regex.
Any pointers would be appreciated.
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"Juho Schultz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Martin Evans wrote:
>> Sorry, yet another REGEX question. I've been struggling with trying to
>> get
>> a regular expression to do the following example in Python:
>>
* Dennis Benzinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Nomen Nescio wrote:
> > I'm running gpg in python to verify a signature.
> > But I need a way to let the python script know this.
I have written a script to verify signatures using gpg some time
ago, maybe this helps you:
ht
"mbstevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 08:32:46 +0100, Martin Evans wrote:
>
>> "Juho Schultz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Martin Evan
I don't know, if I were the genious that made up Python I would not believe
in any bible (small b)
IOANNIS MANOLOUDIS wrote:
> I want to learn python.
> I plan to buy a book. I always find printed material more convenient than
> reading on-line tutorials.
> I don't know PERL or any other scri
etter (faster) ways to achieve my goal?
I have looked through the methods of type ``string''
but I have not found any appropriate method or function.
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'pythonol' is a program for learning spanish. I think it's a really great
program. Unfortunately it ceased to work when I moved to SuSE 10 and 10.1 .
The author makes it clear on her website that she has devoted all the time
she's prepared to and won't maintain it. I think it's a shame as it's a
va
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:41:36 -0700, George Sakkis wrote:
> John Martin wrote:
>
>> 'pythonol' is a program for learning spanish. I think it's a really gr
I work with Python on mac os 10.3.9
First of all :
Install a newer version of python for mac, from
http://pythonmac.org/packages/
(python 2.4.4 -> http://pythonmac.org/packages/py24-fat/index.html)
(python 2.5 -> http://pythonmac.org/packages/py25-fat/index.html)
you have a more "standard" pyt
Amir Michail wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It seems to me that measuring productivity in a programming language
> must take into account available tools and libraries.
>
> Eclipse for example provides such an amazing IDE for java that it is no
> longer obvious to me that one would be much more productive in
John Nagle wrote:
>SpeedTree, of course.
>
> http://www.speedtree.com
>
>They have great downloadable demos.
And how do you distribute the code in a python program?
Is there a wrapper for an available static library
or do I have to compile the speedtree source when
running the pytho
alues, not the more complex types you are interested
in, nor does it do anything to make them read only, but it might help
get you started.
If you find something that addresses these deficiencies, please post
your findings.
Best,
-Martin
// snippet
#include "Python.h"
enum M
namespace[name] = self
Pin('aap') # create a Pin object named 'aap'
Pin('aap2') # create a Pin object named 'aap2'
print aap.name
print aap2.name
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Carl Banks wrote:
> Martin Miller wrote:
> > ### non-redundant example ###
> > import sys
> >
> > class Pin:
> > def __init__(self, name, namespace=None):
> > self.name = name
> > if namespace == None:
> > # de
Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:
> Martin Miller a écrit :
> (snip)
> >
> > Oh, contrair.
>
> I guess you mean "au contraire" ?-)
>
> (snip)
FWIW "contrair" is how it's spelled in the Oxford English dictionary (I
actually did look it up before
isn't the right word, but you get the idea. :)
Richard Gruet publishes an excellent Quick Reference in multiple
formats, available from <http://rgruet.free.fr>.
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's some related information about doing this in the following
thread that might help get you started :
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_frm/thread/3a578c032ff72d46/c1ddf40bf738cd7f?&hl=en#c1ddf40bf738cd7f
HTH,
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to :
http://www.amk.ca/python/howto/sockets/
You may also want to look at:
http://pyro.sourceforge.net/
which gives you a pythonic solution
HTH,
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It's probably quite simple, but what I want is a regular expression to
parse strings of the form:
"parameter=12ab"
"parameter=12ab foo bar"
"parameter='12ab'"
"parameter='12ab' biz boz"
"parameter="12ab""
"parameter="12ab" junk"
in each case returning 12ab as a match. "parameter" is known and fix
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm using Python 2.3 on Windows for the first time, and am doing
> something wrong in using urllib to retrieve images from urls embedded
> in a csv file. If I explicitly specify a url and image name it works
> fine(commented example in the code), but if I pass in
Martin Franklin wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I'm using Python 2.3 on Windows for the first time, and am doing
>> something wrong in using urllib to retrieve images from urls embedded
>> in a csv file. If I explicitly specify a url and image name it
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Thanks - but have printed and verified they are valid paths and
> filenames. One correction to the code I listed:
>theurl = imagepath[:-8]
>
> For some reason the values aren't being passed through
> urllib.urlretrieve properly but this makes no sense to me?
>
A wo
Durumdara wrote:
> Hi !
>
> I have a problem.
> I have a little tool that can get data about filesystems and wrote it in
> python.
>
> The main user asked me a GUI for this software.
>
> This user is needed a portable program, so I create this kind of the
> software with Py2Exe.
>
> But it hav
Durumdara wrote:
> Dear Martin !
>
> Thanx for it:
>
> setup(
> options = {"py2exe": {"bundle_files": 1, # < this
> help me
> "compressed": 1,
> &q
Hi,
Is there a way to catch traceback.print_exc() output into a string ?
Philippe
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oops:
"""
format_exc( [limit[, file]])
This is like print_exc(limit) but returns a string instead of printing to a
file. New in version 2.4.
"""
Philippe Martin wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is there a way to catch traceback.print_exc() output into a string ?
>
Franz Steinhaeusler wrote:
> Hello, I need a regularexpression, which trims trailing whitespaces.
>
> While with unix line endings, it works;
> but not with Window (Dos) CRLF's:
>
import re
retrailingwhitespace = re.compile('(?<=\S)[ \t]+$', re.MULTILINE)
>
> 1) Windows
r="erewr
Franz Steinhaeusler wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:54:50 +0000, Martin Franklin
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>>>>> r="erewr\r\nafjdskl "
>>> 'erewr\r\nafjdskl'
>>>
>>> 2) Unix
>>>>>>
Hi,
I never found the need to flush anything and I always use inWaiting prior to
reader.
A+
Philippe
Mimi wrote:
> Hi,
> I use the pyserial to read data from a serial port.
> My code is in window Xp and python 2.4. when I use Hyperteminal I can
> read data without try and try again that it i
Mladen Adamovic wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I wonder which editor or IDE you can recommend me for writing Python
> programs. I tried with jEdit but it isn't perfect.
Eclipse + pydev
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Hi,
I have a program at a customer's site that seems to have random problem
which eventually come down to not being able to read/write from serial
ports.
I trapped all the exceptions I could think of and all of them look like
this:
***
(ACCESS CONTROL)Fri, 24 Feb 2
PS: I forgot to mention that some of the "print"s are made from wxPython
timer events.
Philippe
Philippe Martin wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a program at a customer's site that seems to have random problem
> which eventually come down to not being able to read/write
u several ways of skinning your cat... but none of them 'worked'?
I find that hard to believe... perhaps you can re-state you problem
or show us your more than one line solution...(so that we might learn
from it)
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even though the canvas was wider than that
> value at display time (and also after manually resizing the window).
>
> To your knowledge, is there a method to determine the current dimensions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dean
Dean,
Look at the winfo_* methods of Tkinter widgets, I think the one you want
is called winfo_reqheight / winfo_reqwidth or something very similar
pydoc Tkinter.Canvas will sort that out
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d in the write method I scroll
to the latest message.
Cheers
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ight", "credits" or "license" for more information.
IDLE 0.8 -- press F1 for help
>>> import Tkinter
>>> root=Tkinter.Tk()
>>> l=Tkinter.Label(root)
>>> l.pack()
>>> print root.children
{'10703960': }
>>>
HTH
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;
Phil,
I seem to remember a thread a while ago about a 'bug' with the Tk Canvas
widget keeping a reference to objects that had been deleted...
Have you thought about using the 'move' method to move your lines? I
think this will result in less supprises...
pydoc Tkinte
re are a couple of extensions to Tk that provide a Table
widget both Tk 'c' based and Tcl based.
for more about this (and lots of other useful stuff!)
http://tkinter.unpythonic.net/wiki/Widgets
It mentions two Table widgets, Tktable and tablelist both have python
(tkinter) w
s for Tkinter you will need the
one of the focus_* methods
$pydoc Tkinter
| focus_set(self)
| Direct input focus to this widget.
|
| If the application currently does not have the focus
| this widget will get the focus if the applicati
tkinter whiz and this stuff is
> pretty confusing. I did come up with an ugly workaround that I'll
> spare you the agony of seeing, but there should be a natural way to do
> this.
>
> Thanks for any advice.
Sorry to say Paul but you may have to show us that ugly code!
leDialog)
> filemenu.add_separator()
> filemenu.add_command(label="Exit", command = mainWindow.destroy)
>
> helpmenu = Menu(menubar)
> menubar.add_cascade(label="Help", menu=helpmenu)
> helpmenu.add_command(label="Online Help")
> helpmenu.add_command(label="Help on the web")
> helpmenu.add_separator()
> helpmenu.add_command(label="About...", command = openAboutBox)
>
> Any ideas??
>
> Miki
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several pure-Tk implementations http://wiki.tcl.tk/combobox >, including Bryan Oakley's
> popular one, all of which can be used directly from
> Tkinter.
>
not to mention pure python implementations :-)
http://pmw.sourceforge.net/
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s root) and all will be well:-
yum install tkinter
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know)
both of these come with simple to follow examples...
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ver.set_debuglevel(3)
fromaddr = "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
toaddrs = ["[EMAIL PROTECTED]", "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"]
msg = """Subject: Hi I'm great
Thats right I really am
"""
server.sendmail(fromaddr, toaddrs, msg)
server.quit()
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Tim Williams wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tim Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>>try:
>>s.close()
>>except
>>pass
>
>
> Typo!!
>
> That should be s.quit() not s.close()
>
> :)
>
>
>
>
and perhaps put into a finally:
Mart
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Chris Curvey wrote:
> Bummer. No change at all. (In fact, I can't even call Navigate()
> without throwing an error). I'm on win2k, if that makes any difference.
>
I could be way off, but isn't windows one of those OS's that doesn't
allow you to have two instances of IEXPORE.EXE running IOW th
fectly correct to me.
I cannot see any error in the code. As I would like to deploy my application
without having my customer to edit this line manually I would appreciate any
hint (compiler bug? Bug in the ADO type library?)!
Thanks in advance
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"Martin Stettner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Hi,
>
> when trying to generate the wrapper classes for Microsofts ADO Library
> [bigsnip...]
> Martin
Ok, I found some references to similar bugs at
http://www.python.org/sf/11
general public use?
>
> TIA
>
> Tim
>
Python cookbook perhaps?
http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Python/Cookbook/
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm sure there must be a way to do this, but I can't figure it out for
> the life of me… I'm writing a program where I would like to use a
> button's text field as part of an if statement. I set up my button like
> this:
>
> i = [ "7", "8","9", "/", "4", "5", "6", "*
I realise I was a bit short on advice earlier...
Martin Franklin wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>I'm sure there must be a way to do this, but I can't figure it out for
>>the life of me… I'm writing a program where I would like to use a
>>button
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>
>>Thanks for all the help guys... I'm a bit confused as to the inner
>>workings of the Tkinter system (I'm both a Python and a GUI n00b). I was
>>hoping that by slapping the x on button python was doing some cool
>>dynamic variable creation (i.e
t;templ.mako", input_encoding="iso-8859-2",
> output_encoding="iso-8859-2")
> content = t.render(**context)
>
> --
> HTH,
> Rob
>
Thanks Rob
Using:
t=Template(content,input_encoding="utf-8", output_encoding="utf-8")
x27;Reilly is excellent.
If you are into scientific programming, the book
"Python Scripting for Computational Science"
by Hans Petter Langtangen from Springer is useful.
HTH
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From:
http://docs.python.org/lib/module-email.header.html
>>> from email.message import Message
>>> from email.header import Header
>>> msg = Message()
>>> h = Header('p\xf6stal', 'iso-8859-1')
>>> msg['Subject']
The Daily Python-URL
http://www.pythonware.com/daily/
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eady-wacky car with the two separate
> throttles and adding, in a fit of quaint nostalgia, the need to
> actually crank-start its engine. ;)
>
If you can't learn enough vi to get by with in half a morning you're
probably well out of your depth here on comp.lang.java.programmer.
O
I'd give long odds that Windows users who use editors other than Wordpad
are using the one that came with whatever IDE they've installed, simply
because integrated editors are much more common in Windows-only IDEs
that they are on *nixen. My guess is that this is because the standar
Bjorn Borud wrote:
> [Martin Gregorie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
> |
> | As for documentation, lets look at vi. Not a great editor, but every
> | *nix variation has it installed and any fool can learn to use it in
> | about 2 hours flat and it does at least have good pattern matchi
n point that nobody has yet mentioned here is that
there are four different types of user that map onto a grid:
casual dedicated
untrained 1 2
expert 3 4
I first ran across grid this in "Design of Man-Computer Dialogs" by
James Martin and its been
ait-mode black and
white screen and a three button mouse. That was the first GUI I saw
(next was an Apple Lisa in 1984). The PERQ was dead easy to use after
about 5 minutes instruction.
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Twisted wrote:
> On Jun 23, 10:36 am, Martin Gregorie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> Actually, what I prefer in (2D and 3D) visual design apps is the
> ability to snap to some kind of grid/existing vertices, and to zoom in
> close. Then small imprecisions in mouse
#x27;t before Win 95 appeared and they then spoilt the record
by arbitrary and capricious menu changes as each version of MS Office
appeared.
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iving up and writing .BAT
files or putting up with RSI. The problem was that it recorded
keystrokes and mouse clicks. Even minor changes to the screen layout
made it fail and the macros couldn't be edited or parameterised nor made
to prompt for filenames, etc.
You can do better with Gnome,
eivers
have serial interfaces.
This is certainly accurate for financial transactions: the UK CHAPS
inter-bank network has a Rugby MSF receiver in each bank's gateway
computer and uses that for all timestamps.
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d with every
mouse click in case it was needed to record a macro. At best it might
make macro recording tedious. At worst it could make the whole GUI
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if i.__class__.__name__=='list':
show(i,level+1)
else:
print '%s->%s' % ('-'*level,i)
show(data,0)
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Paul Rubin wrote:
> Martin Gregorie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>>> pretend the leap seconds never happened, just as Java does.
>>> Which leaves you about 30 seconds out by now - smelly.
>> Easy solution: always read Zulu time directly from a recognized
&g
Torsten Bronger wrote:
>
> It doesn't show Paul and Mary on the same level. I (think I) solved
> the problem with this:
>
I could do so if Poul was in a list of his own, like "Arthur" and "Clara".
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Paul Rubin wrote:
> Same one already given: http://cr.yp.to/proto/utctai.html
Nope - you referenced leap seconds, not TAI and not that URL
Thanks for the reference, though.
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compared afterwards
the errors in the traveling clocks agreed with theory within
experimental error. See:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/airtim.html
for more detail. This shows the clocks don't have to be moving at
interplanetary speeds to be significantly affected.
Paul Rubin wrote:
> Martin Gregorie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>> Same one already given: http://cr.yp.to/proto/utctai.html
>>
>> Nope - you referenced leap seconds, not TAI and not that URL
>
> Oh whoops, I thought I put that url further up in the thre
gt; for letter in mylist:
> print letter
>
> However, compare the incredible difference in clarity and elegance
> between that and:
>
>> >>> print "\n".join("spam"[::-1])
>
OK, maybe I'm missing the point here as I'm new t
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> Martin Durkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>>>>> def rev(x):
>>> mylist = []
>>> for char in x:
>>> mylist.append(char)
UTC. Zulu is the international radio word for the letter Z.
I've never seen Julian time used outside the world of IBM mainframes.
I'd be interested to know who else uses it.
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Roedy Green wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:04:50 +0100, Martin Gregorie
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
> someone who said :
>
>> TAI? Care to provide a reference?
>
> see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/tai.html
>
Thanks.
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