t;*"*12 )
try:
for fp_number in fp_iter( 3, 1, 0.5 ):
print( fp_number )
except OverflowError as e:
print( e )
<<< Console.out >>>
1
1.5
2.0
2.5
1
1.25
1.5
1.75
2.0
2.25
2.5
2.75
1
1.5
2.0
2.5
1
1.25
1.5
1.75
2.0
2.25
2.5
2.75
RangeError: start must be less than stop
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everything else is done.
Which (Python) tool(s) are you currently using?
What (Python) research have you done?
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, and then identifying d2 as
datetime.datetime.now() instead.
These questions befuddle the mind when first presented, yet the answer
seems so logical once it becomes hindsight...
Evidence:-
(blank lines added for readability)
dn $ ... python3
Python 3.8.5 (default, Aug 12 2020, 00:00:00)
[
t call last):
File "./test.py", line 4, in
for line in infile:
File "/usr/lib/python3.8/codecs.py", line 322, in decode
(result, consumed) = self._buffer_decode(data, self.errors, final)
UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte
On 19/10/2020 05:58, Mladen Gogala via Python-list wrote:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 21:00:18 +1300, dn wrote:
On 18/10/2020 12:58, Mladen Gogala via Python-list wrote:
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 22:51:11 +, Mladen Gogala wrote:
BTW, I used this
cp /var/log/syslog ./in-file.log
#!/usr/bin/env python3
7;Requires improvement'},
u'reportDate': u'2016-06-11', u'reportLinkId':
u'0cc4226b-401e-4f0f-ba35-062cbadffa8f'}, {u'overall':
{u'keyQuestionRatings': [{u'name': u'Safe', u'rating': u'Good'}
at we can't "snip" or 'do some gardening', to remove unnecessary
or erroneous material, as the conversation progresses. You will notice
(as below) that this also enables a posting with multiple questions, to
be discussed point-by-point.
Now to work...
> On Sun, 18
ons which might seem 'simple' to professionals and
skilled-practitioners: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
- I use the edX platform (for non-Python training)
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.. print( f"No! { x } <= 1.5" )
...
Yes! 3
Documented in the manual at
https://docs.python.org/3/reference/expressions.html?highlight=walrus#assignment-expressions
Read more at https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0572/
Free advice: whatever you do, don't call @Chris a walrus!
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On 31/10/2020 19:41, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 4:44 PM dn via Python-list
wrote:
Free advice: whatever you do, don't call @Chris a walrus!
Yeah... I do have quite a moustache, but it doesn't merit a high title
like that! :)
It's the tusks I'd
a), and ask various
colleagues 'here' to repeat the speed/performance comparisons on other
machines.
Will/should the results be identical?
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On 03/11/2020 12:10, Bischoop wrote:
On 2020-11-02, dn wrote:
If you have a working Py2 version, once print-statements were changed
into functions, what errors were thrown-up?
That was almost 15 if no more years ago when I was learning then had a
long break beacause Life :-) Got married
On 03/11/2020 13:13, duncan smith wrote:
On 02/11/2020 19:09, dn wrote:
On 02/11/2020 23:29, Bischoop wrote:
On 2020-11-01, duncan smith wrote:
But this generates the letters counts for each word. They only need to
be generated once (outside the for loop). And using count requires
iterating
ourses and other
U.Mich offerings are available from
https://www.coursera.org/search?query=python&; (624 'hits'!). You will
find similar (perhaps I notice a DataScience/ML bias?) on edx.org
(https://www.edx.org/search?q=python&tab=course)
Your thoughts?
Disclaimer: I train from t
on what a better number might be for the total to
equal?
Fair comment - arguments discussed in previous post - try what has been
suggested...
The "Law of Identity" is that zero added to anything doesn't change the
value, eg 1 + 0 = 1; 1 million + 0 = 1 million...
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ve, consider refactoring to use
sum()...
Web.Refs:
https://docs.python.org/3/library/functions.html
https://riptutorial.com/python/example/28509/mutable-and-immutable-as-arguments
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# no point in continuing to loop
# otherwise continue looping
Not to be recommended
- but if you are a 'glutton for punishment', don't bother with the
dictionary's 0/last entry. Instead use a for-else structure...
Such would be an excellent case-study illustration of why 'simple' beats
'complex'!
(sorry for the sardonic humor, disregard the last paragraph - most
professional coders (in fact, all that I know) eschew for-else, or-else!)
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. These look very similar to your
student's submission. One of their objectives is to cut-through a load
of the boiler-plate - in many circumstances.
https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0557/
https://docs.python.org/3/library/dataclasses.html
See also Counter Objects:
https://docs.python.or
the add and whatever happens after that;
and the delete, likewise.
Otherwise the code must first decide which action-handler, and later,
which result-handler - but aren't they effectively the same decision?
Thus, is the reporting integral to the get (even if they are in separate
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On 17/11/2020 23:35, Loris Bennett wrote:
dn writes:
On 17/11/2020 22:01, Loris Bennett wrote:
Hi,
I have a method for manipulating the membership of groups such as:
def execute(self, operation, users, group):
"""
Perform the given operation on
On 19/11/2020 02:13, Loris Bennett wrote:
dn writes:
Firsty, thanks for taking the time to write such a detailed reply.
Bitte!
I have a method for manipulating the membership of groups such as:
def execute(self, operation, users, group):
"""
Pe
n, but
there are caveats.
Alternately, did you mean that the above is part of a data-file?
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ice is to enable either/both! (hint: str.translate() )
Conversely, consider the level of frustration faced by a user who
expects one thing but is *restricted* to something else, eg sites which
ask one to register a password, but don't advise up-front that they
require some arcane comb
giving a suitable solution of this.
Please copy-paste the actual commands being used and error messages
reported.
OpSys?
Source of Python?
Source of numpy?
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On 26/11/2020 08:43, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 6:19 AM dn via Python-list
wrote:
I've got a program which accepts an optional env variable listing a single
or multiple directory for the app to use. I've done a bit of a search and
see both a comma and semicolon
Ahha! Didn't know about os.pathsep. Seems simple enough to use that and be
done with it.
I'm just using str.split() just now. Is there a os.splitpath()? I don't see
anything in the docs.
https://docs.python.org/3/library/os.path.html#os.path.split
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It's always DNS, especially when a sysadmin makes a hash of their semicolons
Remember the days when 'we made it up as we went along'?
Richard Speed Mon 23 Nov 2020 // 08:15 UTC
https://www.theregister.com/2020/11/23/wh
he code. Is an open() function defined somewhere?
(which will "shadow" the built-in function)
That said the description doesn't quite match.
Please copy-paste the exact error messages because there's likely
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, and enter into the REPL:
trc = open( 'nap1.log', 'a' )
trc
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27;t waste time "camping" the website. Thank you
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=python+web+form+fill
- the third or fourth response seemed to handle a log-on screen.
Although if you're prepared to pay for their time, others may be able to
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'python' is not defined
Try the two commands from the command-line (rather than from within the
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Yes I selected all users and the variables options on custom install.
Any Suggestions?
It would help to have some detail: OpSys, source of Python and pygame,
editor/IDE in-use, how executing pygame zero, etc.
- please copy-paste relevant code and/or error messages.
else: https://d
le )
Trust this adds to your 'adventures' in learning Python!
Web.Refs:
https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#text-sequence-type-str
https://www.askpython.com/python/string/python-string-translate
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On 08/12/2020 12:15, Marco Sulla wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 at 00:10, dn via Python-list wrote:
The translation phase is most easily achieved with the built-in
str.translate()
I forgot it :-)
That's down to the rich-ness of the Python eco-system!
IIRC (from previous posts) the
won't hazard a guess at the minds of the 'Python gods'
who design and implement these things. However, please remember that in
this discussion we have been using Python itself, whereas the docs and
PEP-justifications for typing clearly say:
<<<
Note The Python runtim
On 10/12/2020 13:06, Paul Bryan wrote:
Thanks for the comprehensive response, dn!
I guess I'm influenced by data classes here, where the object's
attribute type hints are represented by class variable annotations.
I'm a great fan of them too - the saving of 'boilerplat
Has something happened to the Planet Python feed?
- Last update: December 07, 2020 04:48 PM UTC
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Code: https://bpa.st/KVGA
How this functions should look properly?
In the event of "yes" the function returns a value (return ask).
When the function calls itself, what happens to the return-ed value?
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On 12/12/2020 15:09, Bischoop wrote:
On 2020-12-12, dn wrote:
On 12/12/2020 14:25, Bischoop wrote:
I've function asking question and comparing it, if is not matching 'yes'
it does call itself to ask question again. The problem is that when
function is called second time
On 12/12/2020 15:25, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 1:23 PM dn via Python-list
wrote:
Speaking personally, I prefer the code to be included in the email.
However, it would be better to use spaces rather than tabs (Python's
preferred style, per PEP-8) because many email pac
ck", we are looking at a "queue" (per
@Cameron).
Thus, a "stack" accepts additions to 'the end', and "pops" data from the
same 'end' ("LIFO" = last-in, first-out). Whereas a "queue" also adds to
'the end', but processes/pops from the beginning ("FIFO" = first-in,
first-out).
If this ComSc-stuff is 'new', then plenty of books and web-sites discuss
such data-structures...
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Has something happened to the Planet Python feed?
- Last update: December 07, 2020 04:48 PM UTC
Fixed! (Thanks!)
Although, still reported as an 'open' issue
https://github.com/python/planet/issues/446
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a default *value* and not used a
function in there to provide said value.
That said, the function's name says it all: get_default(). Is it
'getting' a default value? No, it's (also) reporting-back. Thus a
"side-effect". Undesirable, as you say.
Were it appropria
unction?
Other than personal-preference (which should be respected), and a
uniform default-value, what is the rationale for defaultdict over
dict.get()?
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r that in
this case their links expire/the bin 'disappears'.
After expiry, any posts 'here' with links to 'there', will be useless.
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On 17/12/2020 16:06, Bischoop wrote:
On 2020-12-17, dn wrote:
Remember that posts to the list are archived, and thus may be searched.
People experiencing similar problems in-future will be able to 'mine'
the archives for help and advice.
Using a/any pastebin is great for immedia
ft and Oracle (plus, plus, ...) do not allow just-anyone to
analyse their source-code - whereas 'open source' is available for
analysis, by definition! An easy 'target' for shallow analysis?
At this point I gave up, lacking the interest to fill-out the
contact-form, o
).
Async handles with timeouts implicitly.
Apologies for the lack of direct-answer. That's as far as my reading has
taken me. Hopefully someone, more in-the-know, will be able to advise...
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used for UX output and a
RegEx?
Second UX-consideration (and its a 'biggie'!): if a password 'fails',
how can we take the 'result' from a large and complex RegEx, and explain
to the user which [multiple] of the five requirements was/were not met?
A failure in the RegEx above tells the system not to proceed, but
doesn't tell the user is a letter is missing, a digit, ...
RegEx is extremely powerful, but 'power' is seductive - just because we
can do something doesn't make it a good idea! The Spiderman rule applies...
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On 24/12/2020 12:20, 2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com wrote:
On 2020-12-24 at 11:41:15 +1300,
dn via Python-list wrote:
On 24/12/2020 06:03, Sadaka Technology wrote:
hello guys,
I have this pattern for password validation (regex):
[...]
Is it my imagination, or does a password in
On 24/12/2020 12:25, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 9:42 AM dn via Python-list
wrote:
Hang-on though, look at how much 'work' is involved, compared with a
single line of RegEx! Why go to such bother? There's several reasons.
Good question! Look at this al
dot/period/stop, then it seems quite probable that our user has made
a typo! This is why some sites require an email address to be entered
twice. (but copy-paste anyone?)
Going much further than a typo-reducing/sanity-check is, per @Richard,
considerably harder - and ultimately cannot guarantee an address. Thus,
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nd trainers' use.
Contrarily, if you are looking for someone to write code for you, then
there are likely many 'here' who will be happy to quote an hourly-rate.
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On 1/3/21 5:01 PM, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer wrote:
> Greetings list,
>
> Here's our usergroup's end of year report for 2020:
> Happy reading!
>
> https://www.pymug.com/assets/pymug_end_of_year_2020_v2.pdf
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In both cases, arithmetic comparison-logic is possible, and library
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_list ) )
print( one_character_list, end="\n" )
# taking the letters two at a time
two_character_list = permute_lists( one_character_list, letters )
print( len( two_character_list ), len( one_character_list ) * len(
letters ) )
print( two_character_list, end="\n" )
# taking the letters three at a time
three_character_list = permute_lists( two_character_list, letters )
print( len( three_character_list ), len( two_character_list ) * len(
letters ) )
print( three_character_list, end="\n" )
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. Thus, I recommend (free or $) MOOCs on the edX or
Coursera platforms (amongst others).
As you say, the profession has 'moved on' and there are fresh approaches
and new angles to get one's head around... So, it's not just "Python" then!
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ingest a large browser bookmarks JSON
file. It wouldn't matter for a much smaller file, of course.
It would be safer if you used literal_eval.
Ah, memories of Python2...
Does this little hack still work?
What about True/False cf true/false?
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ereafter...).
"But wait, there's more!"
(assuming implement as-above):
if 0 <= ts_reading < 400:
1 consistent 'direction' of the comparisons = readability
2 able to "chain" the comparisons = convenience
3 identifier is PEP-008-compliant = quality and style
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those three steps, if there's something that's
still mystifying, please refine the question...
Web.Refs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collation
https://docs.python.org/3/reference/expressions.html?highlight=comparison#value-comparisons
https://docs.python.org/3/howto/sorting.html?hi
it is bounding-parentheses which define).
In this case, the issue is 'connecting' the context-manager "expression"
with its (as) "target". These should be more-closely paired:-
with ( open( 'example.txt', 'r', ) as e,
open( 'emails.txt', 'w', ) as m,
open( 'salutations.txt', 'w', ) as s
):
(NB code not executed here)
A data-architecture of having related-data in separated serial-files is
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into a MongoDB or RDBMS.
** code
""" PythonExperiments:rich.py
Demonstrate string extraction.
"""
__author__ = "dn, IT&T Consultant"
__python__ = "3.12"
__created__ = "PyCharm, 14 Jan 2024"
__copyright__ = "Copyright © 2024~"
__licens
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bothering you about OOP (or O-O in Python) that you'd like to settle?
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e lines)
Similarly, many dev.teams have a 'standard' which suggests that once a
function/method has three or more arguments, relative-positioning should
go out-the-window, in favor of named-arguments. This speeds
comprehension and reduces errors.
In the original mental-model, the difficulty was which file-descriptor
would be paired with which file (previously described). The multiple
as-s make it more readable and more comprehensible.
Since it looks like you are doing this for educational reasons, I
think there's a tiny bit of value to my effort.
That's what we're (all) here for!
(and not forgetting that the OP described a skill-level well below that
of most of this post and your question, which enabled (and deserved,
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On 14/01/24 16:48, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jan 2024 at 14:43, dn via Python-list wrote:
Similarly, whilst we could write:
a, b, c = 1, 2, 3
I would only do this when it aligns particularly well with the
algorithm being implemented. For example, you could start a Fibonacci
d Python's
structure to some golden-ideal?
Web.Refs:
https://docs.python.org/3/reference/compound_stmts.html#the-for-statement
https://docs.python.org/3/reference/simple_stmts.html#grammar-token-python-grammar-target_list
https://docs.python.org/3/reference/compound_stmts.html#function-definitions
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)
Admittedly, a #-comment does not qualify as an object; but then the hash
is an exclusion signal, which the lexer understands as ending the
logical line.
Thus, a comment has meaning at 'compile time', but not at 'execution
time'. Such would be true, strictly-speaking. However, most of us would
say that a comment 'has no meaning' in terms of the parser, and what it
delivers.
Shall we change the phrase to "everything in Python, at run-time, is an
object"? As a phrase it is obiter-dictum, not ratio decidendi! (to use a
language which has only extended in dubious modes for the last
couple-of-thousand years - but which still has illogical structure)
Suspect that clumsy exclusion also lacks precision to the standard being
demanded. Thus return to the suggestion that you seem in the wrong
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PS our interlocutor doesn't like colloquialisms such as these - despite
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On 15/01/24 11:47, Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 at 09:40, dn via Python-list wrote:
The basic challenge came from my earlier (and blasé) repetition of the
Python refrain "everything in Python is an object". Which led to:
...
So, no, there's an &qu
On 15/01/24 14:33, Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 at 12:12, dn via Python-list wrote:
Here's another witticism I'll often toss at trainees (in many languages,
and especially in UX): just because we can do it, doesn't make it a good
idea!
Programm
On 15/01/24 14:45, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 at 12:42, dn via Python-list wrote:
On 15/01/24 14:33, Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 at 12:12, dn via Python-list wrote:
Here's another witticism I'll often toss at trainees (in many lang
On 15/01/24 21:13, Greg Ewing via Python-list wrote:
On 15/01/24 1:54 pm, dn wrote:
Soon after, Wirth simplified rather than expanded, and developed Pascal.
Before Pascal there was Algol-W, which Wirth invented as a rebellion
against how complicated Algol 68 was becoming.
When I first saw
surprised to see them discussed in 'modern' texts. However, the
principle is: read a record from each file, do-the-business, read the
next 'pair' of physically-related records, rinse-and-repeat.
If you require further assistance: how about showing a couple of
relevant lines of t
g
- CI/CD chaining you've built
- plug-ins you're finding helpful
- coverage
- testing strategies
- other testing frameworks and aids
(open-ended - what would you like to add?)
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)
Whether we (here) are talking about 'poor' manners, 'poor'
understanding, 'poor' communication skills, 'poor' Python knowledge, or
whatever; isn't such one of the rationales for this DiscussionList?
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is going
to be productive when communicating with a pedantic compiler?
Again, some people are suited to this business (or specific jobs
within), and some (?many) are not - but many are (perhaps reluctantly)
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ter's aim was to see if
posts to comp.lang.python traverse the gateway and show up on this list,
then alt.test won't help.
Coincidentally (I hope), today have received a couple of poorly-executed
spam/phishing messages purporting to be from this list or "Tutor".
- all failures are silent
* noting "Nowadays, the Singleton pattern has become so popular that
people may call something a singleton even if it solves just one of the
listed problems." (https://refactoring.guru/design-patterns/singleton)
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The earlier comment was that
class S( object ):
is 'tradition', and synonymous with:
class S:
(not disputing the concept of "object" as the base class)
Not correct.
Please see last paragraph from previous message:
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PSL's string library: "Format Specification
Mini-Language"
https://docs.python.org/3/library/string.html#format-specification-mini-language
Has the OP stated if we're talking 'Python' or numpy, pandas, ...?
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tor 'holds onto' the earlier message, then how should I/anyone
know?
* yes, repetition improves learning, slightly different words may help
comprehension; but doubt I can express anything better than the
aforementioned does/did/can.
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odule and package (except standard library modules
and site-packages) is modified with that function.
Final code is here:
https://github.com/mivdnber/formathack
Some of this (Expression components inside f-strings) newly available in
v3.12 (PEP-701) - which can be used in production...
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dn wrote:
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I'm looking for a simple way to make NaN values output as something
e
# end of import snippet
Thanks if you have any ideas/thoughts on the matter
Jacob Kruger
+2782 413 4791
"Resistance is futile!...Acceptance is versatile..."
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lobals()
functions. You may also have detected that many of us try to avoid
globals and the implicit assumptions about the behavior of mutable
collections (eg lists) when treated as 'global'. Then there are
"closures", the "LEGB" rule, namespaces, scope, and ...
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be a class-attribute (it is currently an instance.
Then, code AFTER the definition of Lookup can refer to Lookup.cache,
regardless of instantiation, and code within Lookup can refer to
self.cache as-is...
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self.server_port,
self.user_base,
self.user_identifier,
self.group_base,
self.group_identifier,
self.owner_base = config_access()
)
If you know my style/preferences, notice that I'm breaking
ruthy/falsy was inappropriate, please?
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me is not None or default_value
or:
self.name = default_value if name is None or name
because "is" checks for identity, whereas "==" and True-thy encompass a
range of possible alternate values?
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irefox - for now). A head-set
will facilitate asking questions but text-chat will be available.
Please RSVP at https://www.meetup.com/nzpug-auckland/events/299764049/
See you there!
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Will it be recorded?
Better than that (assumption) "coming soon" - please join-up or keep an
eye on PySprings' Meetup ANNs: https://www.meetup.com/pysprings/
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The Auckland Branch
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/should I 'do more', and similar.
One of the valuable observations is that most of us would benefit by
improving our sleep-schedule and ensuring we do sleep for sufficient
time (probably longer than current habit).
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I guess the operator "*" can be imported from any module... :-)
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How to print colored terminal text in Python
MAR 06, 2024
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https://byby.dev/py-print-colored-terminal-text
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-innovation/
from which you can access their Work Programme and Guidance developed
to-date.
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* hui is the Te Reo Maori word for meeting or conference
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