On 6/14/10 10:35 PM, rantingrick wrote:
> On Jun 14, 11:08 pm, Stephen Hansen wrote:
>
>
>> Does not perform to spec. Quote, "Inside of A, there are four items in a
>> vertical line. The bottom which takes up half of the total vertical
>> space, and the top three
On 6/14/10 9:08 PM, Stephen Hansen wrote:
> On 6/14/10 8:31 PM, rantingrick wrote:
>> On Jun 14, 9:41 pm, Stephen Hansen wrote:
>>
>>> I wasn't aware of [row|column]configure, no: however, I am dubious of
>>> how it directly applies.
>>
>> Mayb
would work with the more specific one
seamlessly.
But such frameworks usually also have a setup/environment sort of file
where this is not done, and that's where things like adding handlers
belongs.
Just as an aside.
Renaming "logging = ..." to "logger = ..." is probabl
TIME*??
>
> That might be useful and avoid crashes and disk swapping.
Just call "process.wait()" after you call process = subprocess.Popen(...)
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On 6/15/10 10:25 PM, John Nagle wrote:
> On 6/15/2010 9:33 PM, Stephen Hansen wrote:
>> Replacing the module with a class in sys.modules is really the only way
>> to fake the behavior.
>
>OK, working on this. I can make a module make itself into a
> fake class
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e underscores are explicitly reserved for
Python to define as Special. They also imply a slightly different
calling semantic: normal leading-and-trailing double underscore methods
bypass instance lookup.
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On 6/16/10 7:04 AM, Chris Seberino wrote:
> On Jun 15, 2:03 pm, Stephen Hansen wrote:
>
>> Just call "process.wait()" after you call process = subprocess.Popen(...)
>
> I may have not been clear.
> I *don't* want web app to block on Popen.wait.
> I *d
dule level, too.
Well, fine, be that way, all right and correct and shiznit. :)
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On 6/16/10 9:34 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 09:17:47 -0700, Stephen Hansen wrote:
>
>> Leading-and-trailing double underscores are explicitly reserved for
>> Python to define as Special.
>
>
> That part is correct. But of course Python does
get
junked. Maybe the python-list spam filters can be tweaked, who knows.
He'll probably always show up on the usenet/Google Groups part of things
though. Cuz Google's notoriously bad at controlling spam on Groups(*)
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o report! Even if
it does no good.
> Should we ever catch up with him, is there a module in the stdlib or on
> pypi that let's you stretch piano wire tightly around his testicles? And
> I'm *NOT* joking!
Haha. And ow.
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I found this useful when I needed to do it:
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It could certainly do with a little less 'taking oneself too seriously' :)
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On 6/16/10 9:43 PM, James Mills wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Stephen Hansen
> wrote:
>> It could certainly do with a little less 'taking oneself too seriously' :)
>
> You do realize my question was completely rhetorical :)
>
> --James
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Long Away (meaning, some indeterminate time probably counted in months
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On 6/16/10 10:40 PM, madhuri vio wrote:
> if i want to create a button
> which performs the transcription of dna to rna
> using tkinter in a gui...
> can u give me the method...
You can not possibly be serious.
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licated sort of code object marshalling and
manipulation on the other side. I have no idea where to even begin in
that situation (hw do you turn a code object into something you can
actually pass arguments to, hmm? I only know how to 'exec' a bare code
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y to use "from ... import ..." to pull in
classes and (implicitly) constants, and despite how the rules say 'one
module per line' its OK to pull in more then one name -from- a module at
once.
> My understanding is that both forms of the import command require
> the e
On 6/17/10 10:01 AM, Ethan Furman wrote:
> Stephen Hansen wrote:
>> On 6/17/10 9:12 AM, pyt...@bdurham.com wrote:
>>
>> Now, this is all IMHO: the style guide does not define any 'guidelines'
>> on this, except that its okay to use "from ... import
On 6/17/10 10:22 AM, Jack Diederich wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Stephen Hansen
>> It explicitly states later its entirely OK to import classes. It never
>> says anything else directly, except in the example given, it shows you
>> importing a constant. So
lit grow an addition keyword argument to specify the desired
> behaviour? (Although it's simple enough to define your own function.)
Guido finds keyword-arguments-to-change-behavior to be unPythonic, IIRC.
It generally means 'make a new API'. But, the question is-- is it w
ocking:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/066de1c0fd38642f#
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not byte & BIT_6:
... byte = byte | BIT_6
... print "Bit 6 wasn't set, BUT NOW IS."
Bit 6 wasn't set, BUT NOW IS.
>>> byte
99
(I added 'how to set a specific bit' just cuz)
Basically, those BIT_X lines are creating numbers which have *only* the
s
asn't written anything new out yet by the time
you call that. You have to try/except looking for that and catch it.
That's why I preferred the recipe I linked to in that thread: it uses
select to only read when there's something -to- actually read.
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>>>> from asynchronous import *
>>>> p = Popen(["python", "increment.py"], stdin=PIPE, stdout=PIPE)
>>>> send_all(p, "5\n")
>>>> recv_some(p)
> ''
>>>> send_all(p, "6\n")
>>>> recv
On 6/17/10 1:29 PM, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2010-06-17, Stephen Hansen wrote:
>
>>>>> BIT_1 = 1 << 0
>>>>> BIT_2 = 1 << 1
>
> ...
>
>> Basically, those BIT_X lines are creating numbers which have *only* the
>> specified
On 6/17/10 2:40 PM, Laurent Verweijen wrote:
> Op donderdag 17-06-2010 om 14:36 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef Stephen
> Hansen:
>> On 6/17/10 2:09 PM, Laurent Verweijen wrote:
>>> It just gives me an empty string.
>>>
>>> Python 2.6.5 (r265:79063, Apr 16 201
say you don't care about what value
ends up there, consider it thrown away.
That the interactive interpreter happens to store the last value in a
variable of the same name doesn't really mean anything.
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tempting to call len() on an integer) if you corrected your arguments.
You're getting the EOFError, because you're never sending anything to
the subprocess. You're not getting anything from the subprocess because
it never receives anything to send back. And apparently there&
sometimes less: but generally,
only at the boundry of your program do you need to worry about
type-correctness (i.e., where user and data is accepted, you have to
convert stuff there.) Anywhere else, its a bug if you pass the wrote
thing in: unit tests and exceptions/tracebacks are excellent for findin
/never/ implicitly copies -- and
that it objects are discrete entities and not just names of certain
values, it more likely then not will be beneficial to you quite often
down the road. You'll -want- that to be how things work. Eventually.
When you learn more Python.
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But then when this project is over, sit down and load up Django (or
another of the options: look around, find one that tickles you), and
spend a few days re-doing this project in that. Not for real, but for
practice, to figure out how you'd do it in a proper framework. See how
you like it.
What's it *do*? I don't like downloading software until I have
an idea of what its for :)
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e other addons)
That's better. :)
I would suggest adding a little more: some bullet points of how they
work together in a way that's new or efficient or what's compelling
about the interaction. And a screenshot or two.
Either way, I'm now curious enough to actually download it
ing me go
out of my way to program a hundred lines when only ten (okay, maybe 20—
it isn’t /that/ Pythonic) will do.
Also strange: its as force-OOP-down-your-throat as Java, and yet I don’t
feel a gag reflex. Can’t explain it."""
Anyways. Just curious. Ya'll are all the Python
On 6/21/10 6:47 AM, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2010-06-21, Stephen Hansen wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> I'm just learning Objective-C on my spare time, and am having these
>> entirely disturbing feelings of familiarity, where strange swirling
>> thoughts enter my head
d reason to do something sneaky (such as add an attribute
to an instance at runtime: its actually *extremely* rare for someone to
do that, so why try to force it away?) down the road that you might not
think of at the time.
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On 6/21/10 8:08 AM, Stephen Hansen wrote:
> If you don't want a class to have attributes added at runtime, the
> Pythonic way to achieve that is to... simply add attributes at runtime.
Errr.
The Pythonic way to achieve that is to... simply NOT add attributes at
runtime.
I.e., choos
and programs,
don't ever get there.
And even more fortunately: very, very often when those people who *do*
get to that place, they actually can use a library which has already
done it and get those major performance gains without writing the
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[GCC 4.2.1 (Apple Inc. build 5646)] on darwin
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> help.__class__
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On 6/21/10 11:06 AM, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 6/21/2010 11:24 AM, Stephen Hansen wrote:
>> On 6/21/10 8:08 AM, Stephen Hansen wrote:
>>> If you don't want a class to have attributes added at runtime, the
>
>> The Pythonic way to achieve that is to... simply
ble(i.e., ints,
strings), and its awful hard to make an immutable class.
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ple Inc. build 5646)] on darwin
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> f = open("test.txt", "r")
>>> for line in f:
... print float(line)
...
52.2375412
5.1802704
Always include w
ave that number. Try it in the
interactive interpreter. float('51.9449702') works fine. I suspect your
"line", for whatever reason, contains the string "not found", as in:
>>> float('not found')
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "&q
in your data file, or some other logic going
on (maybe something related to this 'tel' thing, I don't know).
Are you sure there's no lines in out.txt which have, say, some text (on
the left end)? Or maybe some blank lines?
Maybe you should send the whole file and the data.txt if you don't see
where the problem is.
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an academic desire to learn a new language, then learn both.
Learning a new language is always a net win. Which first? Whatever you
have the vaguest preference for after five minutes.
No reason to be picky with adding tools to your mental toolbox.
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up as a "book" to sell to naive people for outrageous prices; and put
Guido's name on it to give it legitimacy.
It also bundles up the *tutorial* for $22. There's a number of very
good, large Python books which sell for that. Surely Fred L Drake and
Gudio aren't really invo
e 'root' -- you can skip if you only use one), the exact
module (test.py), function (run) and line (6).
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On 6/22/10 11:01 AM, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 6/22/2010 11:49 AM, Stephen Hansen wrote:
>> Uhh, that looks like a scam. Someone scraped the Python docs and bundled
>> it up as a "book" to sell to naive people for outrageous prices;
>
> Various people have asked on th
, and so I always use format
strings so I don't have to rewrite the line to convert from + to % later.
(And in a couple years when I can migrate to Py3, I'll start using
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inflict Haskell on anyone).
It bends your brain and makes you think in a different way. The mental
toolbox expands. New possibilities suddenly occur to you down the road
when you return to Python (or Perl, even) for some sane, regular sort of
coding.
Learning new languages = good.
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llness (okay, no, not really), but we're also quite content
and happy for people to use Ruby if they want to. And we're oddly not
threatened by its popularity.
Good for you, Rubyers. I applaud your success and wish you more of it.
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We really don't have to do it again. :)
Everyone knows you don't like unicode, man.
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fellow Python-folks possibly getting ripped off
makes me an asshat, so be it. Go y'know-what yourself.
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If it looks like a scam, some due-diligence and concern is appropriate.
Especially when asked by someone like the OP who is not you, is not
sophisticated in their knowledge of the community and the resources
available to it.
If it looks like a scam, take care personally. If it looks like a scam
a
On 6/22/10 10:39 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 15:55:51 -0700, Stephen Hansen
> declaimed the following in
> gmane.comp.python.general:
>
>> I second Forth. Learning and using that was -- slightly painful, but
>
> Just pick up any advanced HP
On 6/22/10 9:45 PM, John Bokma wrote:
> Stephen Hansen writes:
>
>> I *have* seen people burned by confusion over situations *extremely*
>> similar to this;
>
> But is it? You didn't even ask yourself that question.
Yes. I did.
I don't really make a poin
ing errors. Don't summarize them.
Third, I *think* the problem is-- though I may be wrong here, because
again, just woke up-- that you're not passing the options as a tuple.
Consider: ("hello") is not a tuple with one item. This is a slight
'wart' with Python syntax. P
On 6/23/10 8:16 AM, Victor Subervi wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Stephen Hansen
> mailto:pyt...@ixokai.io>> wrote:
>
> On 6/23/10 6:45 AM, Victor Subervi wrote:
> > Hi;
> > I have this line:
> >
> > cursor.execute('
On Jun 23, 2010, at 9:12 AM, Paul Rubin wrote:
Stephen Hansen writes:
On 6/23/10 6:45 AM, Victor Subervi wrote:
cursor.execute('select clientEmail from clients where client=%s', ...
Do, 'client.replace("_", " ")' instead.
Er, look what happened to
On Jun 23, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Victor Subervi wrote:
Ok, let's start all over again. When I have this code:
cursor.execute('select clientEmail from clients where client="%s"',
(client.replace('_', ' '),))
clientEmail = cursor.fetchone()[0]
Already addressed this. Do not quote inside the SQL.
On Jun 23, 2010, at 9:10 AM, John Nagle wrote:
> '_sre.SRE_Pattern' is what "re.compile" returns.
>
> Is that a mutable object, with state that changes
> during the parse, or is it an immutable constant? Can
> two threads use the same '_sre.SRE_Pattern' at the same time?
Ouch. I hope it is
On Jun 23, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Victor Subervi
wrote:
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Stephen Hansen wrote:
> The problem is not this line but:
>
>
> File "/var/www/html/globalsolutionsgroup.vi/mailSpreadsheet.py", line
> 38, in mailSpreadsheet
> curs
> Would you like to present another way of achieving the same code that
> makes Python look better, i would love to see it. Here is an even more
> interesting example of "Ruby linear-flow" verses "Python lisp-style-
> nesting"...
>
> RUBY:
> ["three","one","two"].map{|x| x.capitalize}.sort.join(','
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On Jun 23, 2010, at 9:24 PM, John Nagle wrote:
> Here's dir(types), in Python 2.6.5:
>
> ['BooleanType', 'BufferType', 'BuiltinFunctionType', 'BuiltinMethodType',
> 'ClassType', 'CodeType', 'ComplexType', 'DictProxyType', 'DictType',
> 'DictionaryType', 'EllipsisType', 'File
On Jun 23, 2010, at 9:24 PM, John Nagle wrote:
> Here's dir(types), in Python 2.6.5:
>
> ['BooleanType', 'BufferType', 'BuiltinFunctionType', 'BuiltinMethodType',
> 'ClassType', 'CodeType', 'ComplexType', 'DictProxyType', 'DictType',
> 'DictionaryType', 'EllipsisType', 'FileType', 'FloatType',
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 4:47 AM, Victor Subervi wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 1:56 AM, John Nagle wrote:
>
Yes. Please post your CREATE statements, so we can see your
>> database schema. If you really have one table per client, you're
>> doing it wrong.
>>
>
> cursor.execute('create tabl
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Peng Yu wrote:
> I tried to put the above code in a module. Say in a.b.__init__.py
>
> %(module)s only print to "__init__". However, I need the fullname
> a.b.__init__. I looked at the manual, but I don't see what format
> string I should supply. Would you please
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 10:22 AM, John Bokma wrote:
> Stephen Hansen writes:
>
> > On 6/22/10 9:48 PM, John Bokma wrote:
> > Its when you package it up in such a way that the buyer doesn't realize
> > what they're buying, that's where the problem comes-- a
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:06 AM, GrayShark wrote:
> In my code I have:
> from string import lower, upper
>
> When I use pylint on the program I get just one warning:
>
> Uses of a deprecated module 'string'.
>
> Iv'e noted that many if not all string functions are now in _builtin_.
> Where are t
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 5:15 AM, Jorgen Grahn
> wrote:
> Am I missing something? If not, I can go back to sleep -- and keep
> avoiding SQL and web programming like the plague until that community
> has entered the 21st century.
>
You're not missing anything. Its been the accepted industry pract
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 7:02 AM, GrayShark wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestion. I gave it a quick try. Same 'warning'. No,
> using the string module is the issue. Perhaps I'll just ignore it.
>
Perhaps? Why perhaps? The warning is simply factually wrong-- therefore,
there's no reason in the world
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Peng Yu wrote:
> http://psyco.sourceforge.net/
>
> The above package can improve python program on 32 bit library. But I
> need to run on 64 bit library. Is there any other module that can help
> improving the performance of python on 64 bit?
>
This is a total as
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 6:15 AM, WANG Cong wrote:
> 4) Also, this will _somewhat_ violate the OOP princples, in OOP,
> this is and should be implemented by inherence.
>
Others have answered the rest fine, I just wanted to add: Who says we have
to follow OOP principles, huh?
If you want to follo
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 11:03 AM, WANG Cong wrote:
> On 06/25/10 17:25, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
>
> > Yes, isn't it wonderful? In other languages, metaprogramming is deepest
> > black magic, or even completely impossible. In Python it is so easy that
> > anyone can do it, and it is something beg
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 1:26 PM, rantingrick wrote:
> On Jun 25, 12:46 pm, Alan G Isaac wrote:
> > On 6/25/2010 1:24 PM, rantingrick wrote:
> >
> > > the "if __name__ == '__main__' tests" use
> > > root.quit instead of root.destroy!
> >
> > Did you open an issue?http://bugs.python.org/
>
> If *I
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> On 25/06/2010 16:34, Stephen Hansen wrote:
>
> Python's slow, sure. But its in practice fast enough for an extremely
>> broad
>> range of activities.
>>
>>
> What?
>
What, what?
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Uhh...
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 2:31 PM, GrayShark wrote:
> As to your comment about Logilab's pylint. I'v seen a ticket similar to
> this from three months back. I assume they're not fixing it because if
> you review 'string' via pydoc you'd read this:
>
> ---
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> On 25/06/2010 22:25, Stephen Hansen wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Mark Lawrence> >wrote:
>>
>> On 25/06/2010 16:34, Stephen Hansen wrote:
>>>
>>> Python's slow, s
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 5:00 PM, rantingrick wrote:
> However i'm not about to waste my time
> if i cannot get the code accepted into the stdlib because "some
> people" here hate me.
>
Please get over yourself, dude. No one believes this martyrdom schtick
you've taken on since you snuck away fro
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro
wrote:
> In message , Jorgen Grahn
> wrote:
>
> > I thought it was well-known that the solution is *not* to try to
> > sanitize the input -- it's to switch to an interface which doesn't
> > involve generating an intermediate executable. In the
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On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 10:31 PM, rantingrick wrote:
> Clearly the user is upset and blabbing all sorts of incendiary
> nonsense but again and again the good folks at SketchUp stay calm and
> always attempt to help. This is how i would like to see this group get
>
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Stefan Reich <
wertiges.prod...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> My complaint is about changing the syntax of "print".
>
Okay.
To reiterate, I am strongly in disfavor of Python 3 and will stick to Python
> 2, for as least as long as Python 3 breaks my scripts.
>
This wi
Please ignore, sorry about wasted post. Having a posting issue, need to
test.
La de la la. Nothing to see here, move along.
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ou can get
things done. But its just plodding along not really drinking whatever
kool-aid you are, though its happy you like your flavor and is entirely
content with letting you think its playing ball with you on that.
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On 6/26/10 11:11 AM, John Bokma wrote:
Stephen Hansen writes:
Please ignore, sorry about wasted post. Having a posting issue, need
to test.
If you mean with post Usenet, there are several groups dedicated to
testing...
I know. I don't access this forum via usenet, but via python
when outputting.
As Thomas put it:
On 6/26/10 9:33 AM, Thomas Jollans wrote:
> Also, do you use print *that* much? Really?
It was genuine surprise. Oh, I know people do use print, and I know
there's bound to be someone who finds the conversion a bit complicated
(though 2to3 does it well).
On 6/26/10 11:41 AM, John Bokma wrote:
Stephen Hansen writes:
No, "I'm" not trying to kill Python 2 at all. My current estimation is
that I'll be using it for at least the next three years -- library
conversion momentum is there, but its happening faster in the pure
Pyt
ept to ask: Have you opened bug reports?
If not, well...
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hing.
I don't use pylint -- so don't know -- but surely there has to be a way
to specify deprecated functions and have it warn you, instead of whole
modules? Since deprecating certain functions seems far more common then
modules at large.
Not that I've done any sort of study, so
would be very
different today: I too have a number of slightly unique little
pseudo-print functions scattered throughout my codebase. That, and
various hacks replacing sys.stdout.
The rigidness of the statements behavior (and therefore inability to
bend it to my whim) is why I always just equa
of basically a bunch of interlocking Python scripts,
sort of spontaneously evolved into a MCP, and advanced features started
spreading around. It wouldn't at all have surprised me if the MCP put
various scripts into laser bike races to see which were the best for its
purposes.
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quote me when you respond. If you're going to paraphrase me, do so
accurately at least-- or do so after quoting what I actually said, if
you wish to reinterpret my words.
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aybe if no one ever downloads 2.5
-- but as it is, its 11 years since 1.5.2 was released and no one seems
inclined to remove it. :)
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27;t go back and fix 1.0, physics won't allow him. So we're
stuck with the Py3k break. :)
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