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Mark H Harris wrote:
> On 5/7/14 1:19 PM, Ned Deily wrote:
> > If the Python build (the "make sharedmods" build step) can't
> > successfully build the _tkinter extension module (because, for example,
> > it could
sent?
I believe the problem is that you are using them incorrectly.
IAMNADatetimeExpert, but I think you are trying to normalize a
non-tz-aware datetime object returned from dateutil.parser.parse.
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> infrastructure in most countries makes it preferable – at least some of
> the time, for some significant, even if small, number of users – to read
> the documentation on local storage instead of on the internet.
In any case if you want to see this happen, someone needs to open an
issue
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> Why is the info from "plaform.libc_ver()" so bogus?
The code is here:
http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/2.7/Lib/platform.py#l141
Perhaps you could open an issue on the Python bug tracker.
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> Tcl 8.5
This is a bit of a long shot since I have no personal experience with building
matplotlib but it may be an SDK symlink issue. IIRC, Xcode 3.2.6, the last
Xcode 3 release, creates a faulty directory / symlink structure within the
10.6 SDK. What you need to have is
d store the name as the webpage's link.
I'm not sure how much what you want to do differs from what OS X already
provides out of the box but perhaps this reference can give you some ideas:
http://guides.macrumors.com/Taking_Screenshots_in_Mac_OS_X
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> Pascal tried to create a new operator, := to be read "becomes", to
> deal with the whole equality-vs-assignment issue.
Um, Pascal was just following the lead of ALGOL 60, roughly a decade earlier.
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Ned Deily wrote:
> SInce OS X 10.9 Mavericks is now out, people are running into a severe
> problem
> when using some Python interpreters interactively. The symptom is that the
> interpreter in interactive mode crashes after typing two lines:
[...]
> The fix for
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> I have a virtualenv I'm using for some Django development. Today I
> switched from MacPorts to HomeBrew on my Mac.
Any particular reason for doing that? That seems like a step backwards,
especially for Python-related work.
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taller for OS X
and install it on your machine. Restart IDLE and the message should no longer
appear and your experience with IDLE should be much better.
http://www.activestate.com/activetcl/downloads
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the normal results in your
environment, and then use the tests to find regressions as you make changes or
pull in upstream updates. You can also get more information about regrtest
options:
./python -m test -h
(Note, for Python 2.7, replace "test" by "test.regrtest").
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discussion remains civil. In case of an actual flamebait posting, you can
ignore it, quietly plonk the offending poster in your killfile or mail
filters, or write a sharp but still-polite response, but at all costs resist
the urge to flame back."
http://www.python.org/community/lists/
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>All the bugs I'm discussing reflect forced package
> changes or upgrades. None were voluntary on my part.
You would have run into the SSL certificate issue if you upgraded your
Python 2 instance to the current Python 2.7.9.
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ibe a good chunk of the pain you've
experienced to the more common pain of upgrading any major software
system that depends on multiple third-party components.
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And --exec-prefix isn't needed in this case as it defaults to the value
of --prefix.
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atically verified by the Windows installer program. (Likewise, for
the Mac OS X installer files.)
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n _cmp
> if self.version < other.version:
> TypeError: unorderable types: str() < int()
>
> any idea?
If you are running on OS X 10.10 (Yosemite), try upgrading to a current
Python 3.4.x. 3.3.x is no longer supported and was released long before
Yosemite was.
http://
lowing:
1. Uninstall the 2.6 version of aws:
sudo pip uninstall aws
2. Install aws with the 2.7 version of pip:
python2.7 -m pip install aws
In the future, whenever something suggests using "pip" or "sudo pip",
just use "python2.7 -m pip" instead to be (more
nter documentation, more
up-to-date material is available at Mark Roseman's TkDocs website and in
his e-book "Modern Tkinter".
http://www.tkdocs.com
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In article <201505230925.t4n9pnz8028...@fido.openend.se>,
Laura Creighton wrote:
> In a message of Fri, 22 May 2015 23:31:19 -0700, Ned Deily writes:
> >Tcl/Tk 8.4 is quite old and no longer maintained; 8.6.x is current,
> >although 8.5.x is also still in use.
> &g
ch as provided by the python.org OS X
installers, but without knowing more information, like what particular
version of Python is needed, it would only be speculation. Perhaps the
best thing to do is to suggest the OP to participate directly here or an
Apple users' forum like http://appl
from the recovery partition and use the Migration Assistant
to restore user files and settings from the backup. But that's a very
long and somewhat risky process so should only be done as a last resort.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201314
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Skip Montanaro wrote:
> On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Ned Deily wrote:
>
> > Well, she could just download a current Python 2.7.x for OS X from
> > python.org, install it, and see if that solves the problem. That would
> > be likely the easiest thi
s more than one version of Python frameworks with OS X.
There are actually three versions of the system Python frameworks there:
you should see that "Current" is actually a symbolic link to "2.7". All
of those versions are shipped as part of OS X 10.7.
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> Anyone?
> Or I need to configure something in Xcode?
Wild guess: did you by any chance delete the Apple-supplied system
python? What is the result of:
$ /usr/bin/python -c 'import sys;print(sys.version)'
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In article <6651a781-abe1-4f25-b1f3-1f849776d...@googlegroups.com>,
Andrei wrote:
> On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 1:08:07 AM UTC+2, Ned Deily wrote:
> > In article <11e093d5-b78e-4ac6-9a7f-649cb2c2c...@googlegroups.com>,
> > Andrei wrote:
> > > Alright, I have
standard Python distribution.
Scott, James:
The best place to have a discussion about adding new features to Python
is on the python-ideas mailing list:
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas
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> (homebrew). I don't have any 32 bit Python implementations on the mac.
Sure you do!
$ /usr/bin/python2.7 -c 'import sys;print(sys.maxsize)'
9223372036854775807
$ arch -i386 /usr/bin/python2.7 -c 'import sys;print(sys.maxsize)'
2147483647
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>work to get recent Tcl/Tk (i.e. 8.6) running on OSX. The most recent
> >ActiveTcl release is 8.6.4.1. I'm using exclusively Tk 8.6 on the Mac
> >without problems.
> Unless I was misinformed 2 weeks or so ago when I asked, that is the
> problem. Tcl/Tk 8.6 works (and is shipped
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Kevin Walzer wrote:
> On 7/11/15 10:48 AM, Laura Creighton wrote:
> > Unless I was misinformed 2 weeks or so ago when I asked, that is the
> > problem. Tcl/Tk 8.6 works (and is shipped with) OSX, but tkinter
> > and idle don't work with it. We wi
>
> Any idea what that means for my system?
Since the original reply, Apple has updated the version of the OS X
10.10.x system Python 2.7 to 2.7.10. So that looks good.
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Else you'll probably get more info here:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/?pli=1#!forum/python-virtualenv
Actually, the Distutils-SIG would be a better place to ask about
packaging issues, including wheels:
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
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deal with encodings. BTW, don't upgrade to OS X 10.9 Mavericks if
you're dependent on MT-NW; it finally stops working there because what
was left of Open Transport support in OS X has finally been ripped out
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Roy Smith wrote:
> In article ,
> Ned Deily wrote:
> > Roy is using MT-NewsWatcher as a client.
> Yes. Except for the fact that it hasn't kept up with unicode, I find
> the U/I pretty much perfect. I imagine at some point I'll be force to
>
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ess name: the crash is in the Apple-supplied Installer.app,
not Python. You should report the issue to Apple. Also, note that
Yosemite is under non-disclosure at the moment.
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o repr() for floats. It's important to keep in
mind that the actual binary values stored in float objects are the same
across all of these releases; only the representation of them as decimal
characters varies.
https://docs.python.org/2.7/whatsnew/2.7.html#other-language-changes
http://bugs
e package that would allow the
default python.org 8.5-linked _tkinter to be overridden with an 8.6
version. There may be some news on that front in the near future.
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g?
P.S. Yes, in general, issues with the python.org binary installers for
Windows and OS X can be addressed through bugs.python.org.
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34-matplotlib, py34-Pillow, etc.
http://www.macports.org/ports.php
> So I will impatiently expect the changes "on that front" and I will hope
> that they will come till August 2014.
Keep your fingers crossed.
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newer Tcl/Tk 8.5.x, like from ActiveTcl,
and use a python that links with it, like from the python.org
installers. The ActiveTcl installer also installs "teacup" which allows
you to easily install additional Tcl packages.
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Like many other third-party package managers, MacPorts has chosen to
continue to distribute pip as a separate item. To install it and the
MacPorts Python 3.4:
sudo port install py34-pip
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notify on un-acquired lock
After a quick glance, I'm not sure why Python 2.7 is behaving
differently, e.g. not raising an error, since both versions of
Condition.notify have the same test so the difference is elsewhere.
Feel free to open an issue for not catching the error in 2.7 but y
In article <7xlhrrkf6h@ruckus.brouhaha.com>,
Paul Rubin wrote:
> I've stopped posting to the Python bug tracker because the password
> management issues became too annoying.
Can you elaborate on the problems you are having?
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https://warehouse.python.org
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lt =
/usr/local), e.g.
./configure --prefix=/path/to
make
make install
As long as you are producing a package that will be installed into the
same path on each system and each system has a compatible architecture,
you should be OK.
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bug. One
way to avoid it is to use either one of the current python.org
installers (Python 2.7.8 or 3.4.1) and the current ActiveTcl 8.5.15.0
from ActiveState (using 8.6.x will not help). There is more information
here:
https://www.python.org/download/mac/tcltk/
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Python 3 its default, that
is, when everything is installed, `python` invokes `python3`, rather
than `python2`. So you may need to change shebang lines in scripts, etc.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/python
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http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0394/
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rtant point is that the values from the
distutils.sysconfig version are what will be used during C extension
module builds when you install third-party packages and, if necessary,
most of them can be overridden, either in the package's setup.py or by
setting environment variables. Also, be aware that Python 3.3.2 is
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roup here.
You can also just try launching Python itself and verify that it works
without IDLE:
/usr/local/bin/python3.4
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ble, faster, and
secure services. These have included moving servers to new hosts,
adding a commercial content delivery network to the frond-end of high
traffic sites, and default use of encrypted connections (https). As
such, there are a number of moving parts and possible loose ends. If
you are still having issues, chances are you aren't the only one. If
so, please contact the PSF infrastructure team via email or IRC:
https://wiki.python.org/moin/PSFInfrastructure
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no reason not to add both at this point, although the old url
*should* continue to work. Using those changes avoids a couple of
redirects.
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10.8.5 Security
Update for 10.8 (Security Update 2014-004,
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht6443) which was just released today; that
includes an updated OpenSSL. But, I tried this today just before
installing the update and it worked the same way, with older
modification dates. The python.org Python 2.7.x should look very
similar but with /Library/Frameworks paths instead of
/System/Library/Frameworks. Other Pythons (e.g. MacPorts or Homebrew)
may be using their own copies of OpenSSL libraries.
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Larry Martell wrote:
> Do you think I should install this update? Perhaps that would restore
> whatever is missing.
Yes. You should install the update in any case and it's unlikely to make
the hashlib situation worse :=)
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if you need them; no idea about other third-party distributors.
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Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Ned Deily wrote:
> > That's odd advice.
> > ... And, while OS X 10.10 Yosemite is still a few weeks away from its
> > expected official release data, you can be sure that the current
> > rel
server certificate and Python 2's urllib (and underlying
httplib and ssl modules) do not support SNI extensions to TLS. The
request above works fine with Python 3 (which has supported client-side
SNI since Python 3.2). See http://bugs.python.org/issue5639 for more
discussion of the matter. If Python 3 is not an option for you, the
requests package available via PyPI should help.
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"Peter Tomcsanyi" wrote:
> "Ned Deily" wrote in message
> news:nad-d2ddcb.14070824062...@news.gmane.org...
> It's October...
> So I tried Python 3.4.2rc1 and it seems that it still links to Tk 8.5 on
> Mac.
> Does it mean that there is n
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> "Ned Deily" wrote in message
> news:nad-40cb03.10344701102...@news.gmane.org...
> > The python.org 3.4.x series of installers will likely never change from
> > linking with Tk 8.5 by default. That would break a numb
ty
version 8.5.0, current version 8.5.15)
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Kevin Walzer wrote:
> On 10/3/14, 3:55 PM, Ned Deily wrote:
> > Even if there were no incompatibilities, on OS X with Tcl and Tk (and
> > other) frameworks, the version number is embedded in the path to the
> > shared library and the linker normally creates an
tend Tck/Tk, it might be helpful to open
an issue with suggested code on the various projects' issue trackers if
someone cares to pursue this.
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maintenance release. However, we did add a warning about this
particular issue to the release page of the final security release of
2.6.x. That warning is now copied into the 3.2.6 release page.
In the future, if you encounter problems with the python.org website,
follow the Help link at
remove-default-python-submenu-
with-tkinter-menu-on-mac-osx
http://wiki.tcl.tk/12987
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ntend to provide
source-only security fixes for the Python 2.6 series until October 2013
(five years after the 2.6 final release). For ongoing maintenance
releases, please see the Python 2.7 series."
http://www.python.org/getit/releases/2.6.7/
(And I think you may be just s
ckoverflow to see how
dismayingly often this topic comes up.
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Now that Xcode 4.2 has been released and has deleted gcc-4.2, that's
a problem. A thorough building and testing cycle using the various
compiler options (llvm-gcc and clang) is needed for Lion; there have
been problems already reported and corrected for clang with Xcode 4.1.
I'm star
Search for presentations and videos by Alex Martelli. He's the goto (so
to speak) person on Python design patterns. Here, for instance:
http://code.google.com/edu/languages/#_python_patterns
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e script with .py extension automatically (as
> Test.py)?
If the IDE you are referring to is IDLE, there is an issue recently
opened that requests this change:
http://bugs.python.org/issue10364
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r python.org
2.7.2 installer, the 32-bit-only one, which is linked to the older
Tcl/Tk 8.4, which uses Carbon interfaces rather than Cocoa, and see what
happens with it.
In any case, please report back what you find and, if necessary, open an
issue on the Python bug tracker:
http://bugs.python.org/
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*something* on your system that interferes with the Cocoa Tcl/Tk 8.5.
If you want to pursue it, you might ask on the OS X Tcl mailing list.
Good luck!
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.tcl.mac
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another version of Python, you'll need to install another easy_install
and pip for it as well.
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In article ,
Franck Ditter wrote:
> In article ,
> Ned Deily wrote:
> > In article ,
> > Franck Ditter wrote:
> > > All is in the subject. I'm starting to use Python with Idle 3.2.2
> > > on MacOS-X Lion (French). I can't get "Option-N space
n the mean time, you could try to configure
Eclipse to invoke the python with `python2.7-32`, which is included with
distributions like the python.org one to force Python to run in 32-bit
mode on OS X.
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hitecture() reports 64-bit. What's wrong here?
platform.architecture() is not accurate for OS X 64-/32-bit builds. Use
sys.maxsize instead. I have no experience with Eclipse so I really
can't say how Eclipse might be launching the interpreter. Sorry!
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full path. The MySQL project has a pretty dismal record
for releasing faulty OS X binaries. There are a few workarounds, the
best being either to use install_name_tool to fix the path or to set the
DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable. See, for example, this blog
post:
http://www.blog.bridgeutopiaweb.com/post/how-to-fix-mysql-load-issues-on-
mac-os-x/
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ted on PyPI that supplies pre-compiled versions of
the Python readline module linked with GNU readline. I believe they are
intended primarily for the system Pythons; I have not tried them myself
with the python.org versions.
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/readline
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trivial to install and remove without fear
of corrupting your base system. The whole process is documented here:
http://guide.macports.org/chunked/installing.macports.uninstalling.html
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an hg
checkout or if the build is from an official tagged source tarball. In
this case, "default" doesn't tell much. But if it had the hg rev used
for the checkout, you have some indication of what it contains. The
official rev tags for each release are available here:
h
would be nice if you
could open an issue on the Python bug tracker (http://bugs.python.org)
and attach to it the contents of the config files in the old
idlerc-disabled directory. There has been some fixes to IDLE since
2.7.3 to make it more resilient; those will be in 2.7.4 which should be
In article ,
Ned Deily wrote:
> In article <9d367487-4846-4caa-85e7-08ac570b4...@googlegroups.com>,
> Ash Courchene wrote:
> > So I've actually had this problem for awhile, and I cant seem to get
> > anything
> > to work. I've followed all the st
k ./Tk-DISABLED
When finished testing, you can restore them by:
cd /Library/Frameworks/
sudo mv ./Tcl-DISABLED ./Tcl.framework
sudo mv ./Tk-DISABLED ./Tk.framework
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which o/s platform(s) you are interested in but, if they
are all unix-y and you don't mind running from a shell terminal session,
you could just use the venerable curses module in the Python standard
library.
http://docs.python.org/3/library/curses.html
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In article
,
Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Ned Deily wrote:
> > the venerable curses module
>
> See, now, curses is *definitely* venerable. I think that means Python
> is venerable too.
Wp sez that a Curses was released with 4BSD in 1980
In article <9d5b3646-2952-49a1-b8ad-3b44d37ea...@googlegroups.com>,
Perica Zivkovic wrote:
> Any ideas on timelines? I was waiting on this to push out another Portable
> Python release.
I suggest asking on the python-dev list. There have been no announced
new release dates as ye
your
.bash_profile or other relevant shell startup file:
PATH="/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.3/bin:${PATH}"
export PATH
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group/list a place where people
enjoy participating, without fear of gratuitous personal sniping.
Thanks!
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erminal
> window. python 3.3 has not taken place and idle gives the above
> mentioned error..
Try typing the following in a terminal window:
idle3.3
or, possibly
/usr/local/bin/idle3.3
and see if there is a more useful error message.
If that doesn't work, try
ers, or write a sharp but still-polite response,
> but at all costs resist the urge to flame back."
>
> http://www.python.org/community/lists/
>
> It's up to all of us to help keep this group/list a place where people
> enjoy participating, without fear of gratuitous p
In article ,
Mark Lawrence wrote:
> On 27/03/2013 00:00, Ned Deily wrote:
[...]
> > I repeat the friendly reminder I posted a few weeks ago and I'll be a
> > little less oblique: please avoid gratuitous personal attacks here. It
> > reflects badly on the group and
e a look at Raymond Hettinger's keynote address from
the recent PyCon. Any of Raymond's talks are worth viewing but this one
in particular is a higher-level sales pitch for Python: "Show the
specific features that make Python more than just another scripting
language."
eaningful, hard-nosed discussions
without resorting to personal insults, i.e. flaming. I think the
discussion in this topic over the past 24 hours or so demonstrates that.
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ve the "/System" part.
> Another option is to grok the MacPorts Portfile for Python 2.7 to figure
> out how they compile it using the Mac Framework and emulate that process
> when you build Python 2.7 from source (but don't install to /opt/local).
I'm not sure what you
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