Re: chr(12) Form Feed in Notepad

in part of the contented majority who love | `\anybody who is worth a billion dollars.” —John Kenneth | _o__)Galbraith, 1992-05-23 | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: r"string" vs R"string

e of any distinction made between ‘r’ or ‘R’ in this context. -- \ “Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day; give him a | `\religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.” | _o__) —Anonymous | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Unicode and dictionaries

urn ‘False’. FYI, ‘foo in bar.keys()’ is easier to spell as ‘foo in bar’. -- \ “It is wrong to think that the task of physics is to find out | `\ how nature *is*. Physics concerns what we can *say* about | _o__) nature…” —Niels Bohr | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: How to install local module other than in "site-packages"?

ber that the entire universe, with one | `\ trifling exception, is composed of others.” —John Andrew Holmes | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Create object name from string value?

ediately and help you get to the meat of the problem. -- \ “We now have access to so much information that we can find | `\ support for any prejudice or opinion.” —David Suzuki, 2008-06-27 | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: counting lines of code

d make facts harmonise with my | _o__) aspirations.“ —Thomas Henry Huxley, 1860-09-23 | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Symbols as parameters?

where it understood | `\ nuclear physics, but it would still be a very stupid thing to | _o__) do!” —The Doctor, _The Two Doctors_ | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Symbols as parameters?

ce!” “Why?” “Shut up! I don't need your fucking | `\ *input*, I need you to roll dice!” —Luke Crane, demonstrating | _o__) his refined approach to play testing, 2009 | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Symbols as parameters?

ive by: Don't make it worse.” —Hazel | `\ Woodcock | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: myths about python 3

erating systems use Python 2.4 as their implementation of ‘python’? -- \ “Anyone who believes exponential growth can go on forever in a | `\finite world is either a madman or an economist.” —Kenneth | _o__) Boulding | Ben

Re: myths about python 3

use. -- \ “When I get new information, I change my position. What, sir, | `\ do you do with new information?” —John Maynard Keynes | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: myths about python 3

the demand.” —Josh Billings | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Library support for Python 3.x

development, 2002 | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: myths about python 3

good ideas.” —anonymous | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Great example of a python module/package following up to date conventions.

cial conventions was to limit the scale of the damage already done. -- \ “Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.” —Aldous | `\Huxley | _o__) |

Re: Great example of a python module/package following up to date conventions.

rface attached to the end of a long stick.” | _o__) —Jack Handey | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Sorting a list with entries of unequal types

me a bicycle with three speeds is | _o__) just so unlikely that I can't go along with it.” —Quentin Crisp | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Sorting a list with entries of unequal types

Paul Rubin writes: > Ben Finney writes: > > So how should I be sorting a list with entries of “unequal types” > > such that it will work in Python 3? > > Um, what ordering do you want? The same ordering I'd get in Python 2; that is, determined by the types of t

Re: Wrap a function

ki.com/wiki/No_True_Scotsman>, thanks in advance. -- \ “Natural catastrophes are rare, but they come often enough. We | `\ need not force the hand of nature.” —Carl Sagan, _Cosmos_, 1980 | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Sorting a list with entries of unequal types

porting it to Python 3 :-) Thanks for the helpful responses. -- \“Most people, I think, don't even know what a rootkit is, so | `\ why should they care about it?” —Thomas Hesse, Sony BMG, 2006 | _o__) |

Re: myths about python 3

Steven D'Aprano writes: > On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:33:58 +1100, Ben Finney wrote: > > Perhaps Steven could tell you about a lovely Australian meaning for > > the word “date”. > > This is a family list, so perhaps I shouldn't. :) > > In Australia slang, "da

Re: myths about python 3

ylight in my apartment. The people who live | `\ above me are furious!” —Steven Wright | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: myths about python 3

nothing, for I no verbs.” —Peter Ellis | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: myths about python 3

Mr. Brave man, I guess I'm a coward.” —Jack Handey | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: PEP 3147 - new .pyc format

yte ordering. -- \ “I got up the other day, and everything in my apartment has | `\ been stolen and replaced with an exact replica.” —Steven Wright | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Things to know about ‘super’ (was: super() and multiple inheritance failure)

ng | `\ them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good | _o__) reason.” —Jack Handey | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: super() and multiple inheritance failure

better than inheritance. -- \ “He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let | `\ that fool you. He really is an idiot.” —Groucho Marx | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

[ANN] python-daemon 1.5.1

t it was no match for me | `\ at kick boxing.” —Emo Philips | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Opinions, please, on PEP 8 and local, 3rd party imports

can *install* them at the same time, but please don't *duplicate* them, forking them as though they're part of your code base. -- \ “We are not gonna be great; we are not gonna be amazing; we are | `\ gonna be *amazingly* amazing!” —Zaphod Beeblebrox, _The | _o__)Hitch-Hiker's Guide To The Galaxy_, Douglas Adams | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Object Relational Mappers are evil (a meditation)

\ the demand.” —Josh Billings | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: mktime, how to handle dates before 01-01-1970 ?

surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold | `\ in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think | _o__) differently.” —Friedrich Nietzsche | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: mktime, how to handle dates before 01-01-1970 ?

Ben Finney writes: > There are many epochs that have been used in computing > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epoch_(reference_date)#Notable_epoch_dates_in_computing>, > all of which have their problems. Switching from the Unix epoch to some > other involves data conversion, and (a

When ‘super’ is not a good idea (was: 'Once' properties.)

s this implementation better than the one using ‘super’? -- \“I was once walking through the forest alone and a tree fell | `\ right in front of me, and I didn't hear it.” —Steven Wright | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: mktime, how to handle dates before 01-01-1970 ?

an uninterrupted number line) -- \ “When we talk to God, we're praying. When God talks to us, | `\ we're schizophrenic.” —Jane Wagner, via Lily Tomlin, 1985 | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: An assessment of Tkinter and IDLE

” —Steven Wright | `\ | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Object Relational Mappers are evil (a meditation)

so needs reforming as other people's habits.” —Mark | `\ Twain, _Pudd'n'head Wilson_ | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: list to tuple and vice versa

object is not callable". Nothing in your example code is calling a tuple object. This makes me suspect that what you showed us is not what you actually tried. You might want to try the above session yourself and paste the resulting session *literally* (rather than re-typing) as I did abo

Re: list to tuple and vice versa

, I think so | `\ Brain, but this time, you wear the tutu.” —_Pinky and The Brain_ | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: list to tuple and vice versa

StarWing writes: > On 10月18日, 下午12时19分, Ben Finney wrote: > > Jabba Laci writes: > > > Right, it was my bad. After removal the tuple() function works > > > perfectly. > > > > Note that, though it is callable, ‘tuple’ is not a function but a > > type

Re: weekdays in range

deration for the selfishness of | `\ others.” —Ambrose Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_, 1906 | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: How to check the exists of a name?

“We must become the change we want to see.” —Mahatma Gandhi | `\ | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: weekdays in range

Jive Dadson writes: > Ben Finney wrote: > > >>> friday_weekday = 4 > > >>> len([ > > ... date for date in ( > > ... begin_date + datetime.timedelta(days) > > ... for days in range((end_date - begin_date).d

Re: The rap against "while True:" loops

ex cases where they are compound expressions, that can therefore raise other errors depending on what those expressions contain. -- \ “Don't be afraid of missing opportunities. Behind every failure | `\ is an opportunity somebody wishes they had missed.” —Jane | _o__) Wagner, via Lily Tomlin | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Spam reported

cage.” —Henry L. Mencken | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: What is Islam?-1

d | `\ despise the groups they identify with and belong to.” —George | _o__) Carlin, 2007 | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Fallen Sword

Richard Riley writes: > Ben Finney writes: > > Reported to service provider as spam. > > Please don't reply to SPAM. You just make it visible to those of us > with better filters. Hint : spammers do not read your reply. I didn't quote the spam except to be clear whi

[ANN] python-daemon 1.5.2

ntil now). * A document answering Frequently Asked Questions is now added. -- \ “Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex… | `\It takes a touch of genius – and a lot of courage – to move in | _o__)the opposite direction.” —Albert Einste

Re: Listing variables

t appear there. -- \ “What I have to do is see, at any rate, that I do not lend | `\ myself to the wrong which I condemn.” —Henry Thoreau, _Civil | _o__) Disobedience_ | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: How to test if a file is a symbolic link?

standard library? -- \ “I've always wanted to be somebody, but I see now that I should | `\ have been more specific.” —Jane Wagner, via Lily Tomlin | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Aaaargh! "global name 'eggz' is not defined"

, rebellious, and immature.” —Tom Robbins | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Aaaargh! "global name 'eggz' is not defined"

s in our released software that | `\ any significant number of users want fixed.” —Bill Gates, | _o__) 1995-10-23 | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: self.__dict__ tricks

Ben Finney writes: > Steven D'Aprano writes: > > > On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:16:37 -0500, Tim Johnson wrote: > > > class formLoader(): > > > > Idiomatic Python is to use CamelCase for classes. > > Or rather: Instead of camelCase names, idiomatic P

Re: '11' + '1' is '111'?

e when you don't yet know which one you want. -- \ “The fact that I have no remedy for all the sorrows of the | `\ world is no reason for my accepting yours. It simply supports | _o__) the strong probability that yours is a fake.” —Henry L. Mencken | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: list comprehension problem

—Niels Bohr | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: self.__dict__ tricks

be great; we are not gonna be amazing; we are | `\ gonna be *amazingly* amazing!” —Zaphod Beeblebrox, _The | _o__)Hitch-Hiker's Guide To The Galaxy_, Douglas Adams | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: What IDE has good git and python support?

nny here and a penny there, but look at | `\ me: I've worked myself up from nothing to a state of extreme | _o__) poverty.” —Groucho Marx | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python library "support" propaganda lists?

n/support. -- \ “We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that | `\ divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of | _o__)being correct.” —Niels Bohr (to Wolfgang Pauli), 1958 | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: datetime question

“Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability.” —Edsger W. | `\ Dijkstra | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: datetime question

Albert Hopkins writes: > On Sat, 2009-10-31 at 10:08 +1100, Ben Finney wrote: > > Yes, it would be nice if the ‘time’, ‘datetime’, and ‘calendar’ > > modules were all much more unified and consumed a common set of > > primitive date+time types. It's a wart, and fixing i

Re: datetime question

hange, not covered by PEP 3108 nor any Python 2→3 PEP to my knowledge. -- \ “Alternative explanations are always welcome in science, if | `\ they are better and explain more. Alternative explanations that | _o__) explain nothing are not welcome.” —Victor J. Stenger, 2001-11-05 | B

Identifiers exposed by a package (was: How to import only one module in a package when the package __init__.py has already imports the modules?)

dule anyway. -- \ “We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!” | `\—Vroomfondel, _The Hitch-Hiker's Guide To The Galaxy_, Douglas | _o__) Adams | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

ting up new walled gardens. -- \“None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love | `\ not freedom, but license.” —John Milton | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/list

Re: substituting list comprehensions for map()

+ b) for (a, b) in zip(operandlist1, operandlist2)] >>> resultlist [6, 6, 6, 6, 6] -- \ “Creativity can be a social contribution, but only in so far as | `\society is free to use the results.” —Richard Stallman | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: About one class/function per module

ile, you should probably marry them as being your soul mate. -- \ “We tend to scoff at the beliefs of the ancients. But we can't | `\scoff at them personally, to their faces, and this is what | _o__) annoys me.” —Jack Handey |

Re: substituting list comprehensions for map()

Bruno Desthuilliers writes: > Ben Finney a écrit : > > (Does anyone know of a counter-example, a ‘map()’ operation that > > doesn't have a correspondingly simple list comprehension?) > > ... depends on your definition of "simple". There are things I'd &

Re: substituting list comprehensions for map()

s case. -- \ “He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let | `\ that fool you. He really is an idiot.” —Groucho Marx | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: substituting list comprehensions for map()

Steven D'Aprano writes: > On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:19:41 +1100, Ben Finney wrote: > > > "Jon P." writes: > > > >> I'd like to do: > >> > >> resultlist = operandlist1 + operandlist2 > > > > That's an unfortun

Re: substituting list comprehensions for map()

ectorsum([1,2], [3,4], [5,6]) [9, 12] >>> vectorsum([1,2], [3,4], [5,6], [7,8]) [16, 20] -- \ “The apparent lesson of the Inquisition is that insistence on | `\ uniformity of belief is fatal to intellectual, moral, and | _o__)spiritual health.” —_The Uses Of The

Re: chr / ord

e output to be? -- \ “Remorse: Regret that one waited so long to do it.” —Henry L. | `\ Mencken | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: list comprehension problem

", "", "baz"] >>> [s for s in (s.strip() for s in lines) if s] ['foo', 'bar', 'baz'] -- \ “[I]t is impossible for anyone to begin to learn that which he | `\ thinks he already knows.” —Epictetus, _Dis

Re: About one class/function per module

`\ —Mark Twain, _Following the Equator_ | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: self.__dict__ tricks

o believe and take | `\ for granted … but to weigh and consider.” —Francis Bacon | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Docs Typo

essly inadequate for showing | _o__) their absence.” —Edsger W. Dijkstra | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: About one class/function per module

| `\ them in the same room and let them fight it out.” —Steven Wright | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Help resolve a syntax error on 'as' keyword (python 2.5)

do you do with new information?” —John Maynard Keynes | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

—Henry L. Mencken | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: self.__dict__ tricks

- \ “If I had known what it would be like to have it all... I might | `\ have been willing to settle for less.” —Jane Wagner, via Lily | _o__) Tomlin | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: substituting list comprehensions for map()

culinary arts.” —Michael Bacarella | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

-- \ “Just because nobody complains doesn't mean all parachutes are | `\ perfect.” —Benny Hill | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python 3

Steven D'Aprano writes: > On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:08:54 +1100, Ben Finney wrote: > > > Steven D'Aprano writes: > >> Why would I want to use an already existing library that is fast, > >> well- written and well-supported, when I can toss together a nasty &g

Re: exception due to NoneType

l: %(url)s user status: %(status)s """) % vars(user) -- \ “My classmates would copulate with anything that moved, but I | `\ never saw any reason to limit myself.” —Emo Philips | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: How convert string '1e7' to an integer?

t | `\ how nature *is*. Physics concerns what we can *say* about | _o__) nature…” —Niels Bohr | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xe4' in position 4: ordinal not in range(128)

t forget to say what you expect the code to do differently. -- \ “I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without | `\ hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd | _o__) never expect it.” —Jack Handey | Ben Fi

Re: String prefix question

icode.html>. -- \ “We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the | `\ sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his | _o__) wife is beautiful and his children smart.” —Henry L. Mencken | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: on "Namespaces"

(since the reference only exists while the function is executing). -- \ “Roll dice!” “Why?” “Shut up! I don't need your fucking | `\ *input*, I need you to roll dice!” —Luke Crane, demonstrating | _o__) his refined approach to play testing, 2009 | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

python-daemon and upstart

ely unfamiliar with the details of ‘upstart’. Can you point me to whatever you used to understand it? -- \ “I bought some batteries, but they weren't included; so I had | `\to buy them again.” —Steven Wright | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Help with database planning

x27;re going into databases off the deep end with a problem domain like this :-) -- \ “I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them | `\to do to their fellows, because it always coincides with their | _o__) own desires.” —Susan Brownell Anthony, 1896 | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: A "terminators' club" for clp

d talk and the next twelve years | _o__) telling them to sit down and shut up.” —Phyllis Diller | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Simple object reference

> and what assignment statements do http://docs.python.org/reference/simple_stmts.html#assignment-statements>. -- \ “As we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we | `\ should be glad to serve others by any invention of ours; and | _o__) this we should do freely

Re: IDE for python

e-hash the same tired topic. Thank you. -- \ “What I resent is that the range of your vision should be the | `\ limit of my action.” —Henry James | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python

Re: Newsgroup for beginners

the Subject field is an entirely relevant concise description of the information being sought. -- \ “bash awk grep perl sed, df du, du-du du-du, vi troff su fsck | `\ rm * halt LART LART LART!” —The Swedish BOFH, | _o__) al

Re: Please recommend the books that might be helpful to learn Python :)

se for boredom, | _o__) ever.” —Viggo Mortensen | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: TODO and FIXME tags

| `\ somebody turns it on, I go to the library and read a book.” | _o__) —Groucho Marx | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: python gui builders

“If society were bound to invent technologies which could only | `\ be used entirely within the law, then we would still be sitting | _o__) in caves sucking our feet.” —Gene Kan, creator of Gnutella | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Arcane question regarding white space, editors, and code collapsing

nes and the conventions of the language. -- \ “Hey Homer! You're late for English!” “Pff! English, who needs | `\ that? I'm never going to England!” —Barney & Homer, _The | _o__) Simpsons_ | Ben Finney -- http:

Re: Arcane question regarding white space, editors, and code collapsing

Steven D'Aprano writes: > On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:56:35 +1100, Ben Finney wrote: > > > It's quite improper (though syntactically null, in Python) to have > > trailing whitespace on lines. That includes blank lines. > > Blank lines are far from improper in Pyth

Re: What is the naming convention for accessor of a 'private' variable?

s the still voice | `\ within.” —Mahatma Gandhi | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Input characters not available on the keyboard (was: New syntax for blocks)

himself, without regard to the | _o__) prevailing superstitions and taboos.” —Henry L. Mencken | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: New syntax for blocks

hzbhe-vzcnverq nzbat lbh) -- \ “Courteous and efficient self-service.” —café, southern France | `\ | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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