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that 'set' refers to the set type from that point on (or
you're not on a version of Python that has a 'set' type at all).
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> > Can you tell us exactly which programs you mean when you say "the
> > shell" and "the commandprompt"?
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"encapsulation" and "abstraction"
principles for enforced access restrictions; they're not.
> Will it ever be added to python?
I hope not.
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> string signal that the attrib
s, and far more constant forward progress
— all as a result of the fact that I had to design the code well
enough to write tests for it, *before* actually implementing that
code.
> I'm going to read more on the subject (thanks to Ben for the link).
> Maybe I have some misconceptions.
If so, you're certainly not alone.
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implementation.
Others may have successfully achieved unit tests for conditions that
only arise in multithreaded code, but that's outside my experience.
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as* important as the
other tests.
> Don't let the fact that it can't do everything keep you from using
> it when it makes sense.
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all the time to go through more rounds of QA, etc. With BDD, only the
time to code the test is spent, so you save all that other time.
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> What version added decorators (using the @decorator syntax)?
>
> (Is there a general way I could have found out the answer myself?)
For standard library features, the documentation for a module
http://www.python.org/doc/lib/> usually says "(New in 2
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> On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:50:42 +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
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> > It seems you [alex23] have a different idea of what unit testing
> > is for from me.
>
> For me it's about finding bugs where docume
Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> > By definition, "private" functions are not part of the publicly
> > documented behaviour of the unit. Any behaviour exhibited by some
&
this function *is* part of the public API since external things
are depending on it directly. Then it needs full direct unit test
coverage.
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be removed.
> It's my understanding that unit testing (a.k.a. PyUnit) is designed
> for just such a purpose.
Yes.
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> Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Then what you're really testing is the interactions of the "push
> > the button" function with its external interfa
;_' for convenience.
That's only a guess though; you should believe the code you have in
front of you, not my guesses.
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> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I did do it in a mostly top-down way, but didn't stop the BDD
> process to actually run the app :-)
>
> It sounds like what you are sug
to prove"
means "to determine the truth by a test or trial").
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efined, but the code inside it is not executed until you
call the function at some later time. This also has the beneficial
effect of defining a specific interface for using that code.
Whether that's appropriate to your situation is impossible to say
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> > The Zen of Python, by Tim Peters
> > …
> > There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it.
>
> I agree with that concept. But there already is mor
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> odict.py>`_
This seems to be a victim of errant line-breaking, resulting in the
wrong URL.
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the environment variables.
Since those are not the input to the Python compiler, they can't be
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> > percious <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> >> I started a new series about python on showmedo. Please feel free
> >> to take a look.
> >
> > I'd love to, but showmedo
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> >
> > If I need to "log in" just to download it, that's a needless barrier
> > that's going to turn me away too.
>
> Y
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at index 2
Value 2 was originally at index 3
Value 1 was originally at index 4
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> > about the 'string' module being removed? More to the point, can
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> > > Is there a better information source, then, for the current
> > > state of
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> > If you are passing a sequence conceptually, then it's more Pythonic to
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> >
> > def __init__(self, items):
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Python passes arguments by reference
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Can you give a small, complete example that demonstrates the issue
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>
> I an sorry, I can't tell you.
Perhaps I'm not being clear: What *programming* problem are you trying
to solve?
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x27; is the recommended choice.
In Python 3.0, classic classes are no longer supported and this issue
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We, and Python itself, change quite readily.
Neither of those mean your ideas in this instance have merit.
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rint' should use
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perator).
>
> Apparently I can.
I admit to not trying any of the above. I was explaining the behaviour
reported by the original poster, without experimenting to see if I
could reproduce the behaviour.
Thanks for being more diligent.
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> It has, at least, long ago bought him a place in my kill-file.
> Seeing your side of the conversation, I can only confirm that
> decision as correct.
This should perhaps say "seeing the parts of his communication that
leak throug
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