sed in this
manor?
Hmm. I've compromised my friends (with harmless pranks) in this way. These days
that doesn't work so well became having "." in your path is not done.
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is a
good idea depends on the clock implementation and your program.
In Python there is a naming convention: values which may be directy accessed
are given ordinary names (like ".time") and values which are part of the
internals, subject to change, or tricky to keep correct are given names
starting with underscores (like "._time"). If you're accessing a _name that is
a clue that you're probably doing the wrong thing (if your outside the class -
obviously the class itself must work on these values).
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written:
class Clock:
to achieve the same purpose.
Being a subclass of "object" gets you an assortment of methods immediately,
such as __str__ and __repr__ (used to present a class as a string). You even
get an __init__ for free, but the default does nothing and that is usually not
what you need.
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script for sendmail which intercepted
group.name@usenet and send that via NNTP (obviously my puller inserted those
addresses in the pull).
What are most active pythoniacs doing with this these days?
I use the mailing lists and mutt for reading.
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'
But remove the spaces, and two of the quotation marks disappear:
py> """\""""""
'"'
"""\"""" ""
Implicit string concatenation of an empty string.
I confess I try to have my quote delimiters d
are not there, you have two "MEMR : N valid
M free" strings up there. It sounds like you want only the nonzero one. Notice
that your regexp includes:
[0-9]+
to match 1 or more digits. If you don't want to recognise zero values, consider
that any such number doesn'
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problem is
Python don't know its size (or decides it wrong:-).
I think you'll need to show us your code. It isn't clear to me your problem is.
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shell interprets. The latter directly runs your
script.
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ad of just finding their names, you would need to know about the data
format within those files, which you have not described.
See the Python docs here:
https://docs.python.org/3/
and look up the "os" and "glob" modules for the functions mentioned above.
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th.join function.
And finally, _please_ post follow on questions to this list as _replies_ to the
appropriate list message. By just posting new messages from scratch your new
message is disconnected from all the earlier ones. Anyone trying to follow your
discussion will lose all the other contex
routinely type:
rmr Previous && mv Current Previous
Prompt back instantly, "rm" of the temp name proceeding siletnly in the
background.
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instance of particular records.
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ecause "Hawaiian" has already received
a tag earlier in the list. Or are there other criteria.
If you want to solve this problem with a programme you must first clearly
define what makes an unwanted tag "unwanted".
For example, "Hawaiian" is an adjective, and therefore will always be part of a
compound term.
Can you clarify what makes these taggings you mention "unwanted"?
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gainst the "**" spelling I find, for much the same reasons that
people oppose allowing "=" and "==" in the same syntactic location: they're
easy to get wrong through typing inaccuracy.
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less opposed - _that_ is practically
exponential memory use, and so the "**" is much more apt :-)
I think I'm basicly against a shallow copy and not against a deep copy, because
the shallow copy only pushes the issue out one layer.
So, how to various forms of multidimensional lists pl
On 25May2018 02:32, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
On Fri, 25 May 2018 08:02:38 +1000, Cameron Simpson wrote:
I'm also against the "**" spelling I find, for much the same reasons
that people oppose allowing "=" and "==" in the same syntactic location:
On 25May2018 04:23, Subhabrata Banerjee wrote:
On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 3:59:57 AM UTC+5:30, Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 24May2018 03:13, wrote:
>I have a text as,
>
>"Hawaii volcano generates toxic gas plume called laze PAHOA: The eruption of Kilauea volcano in Hawaii spark
On 26May2018 04:02, Subhabrata Banerjee wrote:
On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 3:54:37 AM UTC+5:30, Cameron Simpson wrote:
It sounds like you want a more general purpose parser, and that depends upon
your purposes. If you're coding to learn the basics of breaking up text, what
you'r
sion in that
variable.
6 * 7
42
_ + 1
43
Other than that, it is simply an ordinary name, but one that has some
conventions attached to it.
Also, various lint tools know that the name "_" is used in this way, and don't
complain that a variable is assigned to and not
() code into a function of your own (i.e. in your own
codebase) modify that to suit, then monkeypatch the class:
Image.show = your_personal_show_function
when your programme starts. That way the code changes are not in the PIL code.
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h path) to be suitable
already.
Every hardwired path is a maintenance and fragility nightmare.
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directory, so you can now check (a) whether you're where you thought you were,
and (b) what is in the current directory (in case it doesn't contain what you
expected).
The "ls -la" command will provide a longer and more detailed listing too.
Let us know what you find out.
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context needed for your reply to make sense.
Sometimes that involves keeping some message quote from even earlier messages,
in which case _their_ intro line and text is preserved, with an extra level of
">", like this:
On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 10:27 PM Cameron Simpson wrote:
the
folder in the Finder and look around:
open ~/Desktop/mymodules
I'm thinking you've just made an additional "mymodules" inside your main
"mymodules" by accident.
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On 08Jun2018 10:23, Tamara Berger wrote:
On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 5:35 AM Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 08Jun2018 01:52, Tamara Berger wrote:
>192:~ TamaraB$ cd Desktop/mymodules
>192:mymodules TamaraB$ pwd
>/Users/TamaraB/Desktop/mymodules
>192:mymodules TamaraB$ ls
>mymodules
It
(I’m working in the OS Sierra terminal.)
The immediate reason that comes to mind is that there's isn't a "setup.py" file
in that folder. What _is_ in that folder?
We're already discussing this in another thread; it's better to keep all this
stuff
vely end of life.
it runs completey fine in python 2, so for me the issue is with python 3 and
its changes relative to python 2
It is possible that Python 2 is just glossing over the problem; Python 3 has a
more rigorous view of character data.
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what I'm
doing: select text in the terminal, type Cmd-C to copy it, click in my new
message window and type Cmd-V to paste the copied text.
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ist in Desktop, then youre "mymodules" will get moved into the Desktop.
However, if mv's final argument is an _existing_ directory, mv puts things
inside it. So if you went:
mkdir Desktop/mymodules
mv mymodules Desktop/mymodules
then mv would put your top level "mymodules" _inside_ the "Desktop/mymodules"
folder that already exists, producing the structure you currently have.
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Instead, use pip's "--user" option, thus:
python3 -m pip install --user vsearch-1.0.tar.gz
Note: there is _no_ "sudo" command there. This command runs as you, not root,
and installs in your home directory in an area for user supplied packages.
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On 09Jun2018 22:50, Tamara Berger wrote:
On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 5:05 AM Cameron Simpson wrote:
A third possibility is that you made a mymodules somewhere else (such as in
your top level home directory), and later decided to put it on your Desktop to
make it easy to find/access.
I did save
about it makes a lot of sense.
Again, thanks for all your help.
No worries, that's what the list is for.
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der has to do something with the
data: drop it or replace it with something wrong. The former loses data while
the latter puts in bad data, but at least it is visible if you inspect the data
later.
The full documentation for Python 3's open() call is here:
https://docs.python.org/3/library/functions.html#open
where the various encoding= and errors= choices are described.
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So when I post to a public forum I usually use my normal email address.
This is a personal decision and anyone might choose differently.
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or so and for that message choose GMail's "filter
messages like this" action. I like to choose "Apply the label Python" and "Skip
the inbox" for such things. Then you'll get a nice little "Python" mail folder
in your collection where the list
noring the current thread (google/groups/email) can see it
and respond.
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installing the packages in your personal Python tree. It will work just as well
for almost every purpose and avoid risk to your machine's OS.
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hange/fix as a new
messge. And it works even though the messages get copied everywhere, because
all that has to happen is to copy your own new message.
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On 12Jun2018 07:14, Tamara Berger wrote:
On Tuesday, June 12, 2018 at 3:28:29 AM UTC-4, Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 11Jun2018 22:51, Tamara Berger wrote:
[...]
>192:~ TamaraB$ sudo python3 -m pip install pytest
>Password:
>The directory '/Users/TamaraB/Library/Caches/pip/http&
ions that
oveeride their default checks to better match my preffered code style.
or am I supposed to root around for my module and make the edits one by one?
Finally, no you don't normally root around and change an installed module.
Instead, modify your original copy and reinstall the ne
frequently and/or doing almost nothing after the "import"
phase) or you notice a significant slowdown after your changes. And it is
usually easier to stick things back together than it was to pull them apart if
that happens.
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evious.word == word2
and test "W.is_preceeded_by('president')".
In short, write out what you would like to express. Then write methods that
implement the smaller parts of what you just wrote.
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rom him, just ask without overtones.
If you're unwilling to engage with his post for whatever criteria, just don't
engage. Easy!
It is better for all concerned, both the OP and we the list readers.
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Next time, please try to present your question in a formal,
commendations just aren't applicable."""
I may exaggerate on this a bit more if you're interested.
Isn't it normal for you to exaggerate everything?
Shhh! Don't discourage his restraint!
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he same indent as the one I just
completed) and syntax highlighting, which colours keywords and identifiers and
strings differently. When you make trivial mistakes like not closing a quote or
misspelling a keyword or leaving off a colon there is often a visual cue.
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ck and proofread it once more. But that would be a pain in
the proverbial bifurcated derriere. Part of the experience of flaming is
to load a searing missive into the conceptual breech of my SPARCcannon
and pull the imaginary lanyard whilst flushed with the adrenaline of mortal
combat.
-
On 13Jun2018 00:29, Tamara Berger wrote:
On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 7:57 PM Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 12Jun2018 07:14, Tamara Berger wrote:
>Just one more thing, Cameron. I was looking at an Apple support page, and it says
"When you're logged in to your Mac using an administ
accepted.
Of course, as consideration to others, I try to avoid reciting someone else's
contact info unless it is already publicly in play where I am.
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Tags files. A mapping from names to their definition lines. Tres handy.
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tside the storage class, and also leaves scrope for changing the storage
mechanism later without changing the main code (eg from a conventional SQL
database to some other service).
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o. In fact, you should be doing both: run and test the code
_before_ installing it, and also lint it (when you care) and test again
(because if you made lint changes you want to check they haven't done something
unwanted).
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On 14Jun2018 02:35, Tamara Berger wrote:
On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 1:49 AM Cameron Simpson wrote:
Just as you can run your code before you install it, you can lint your code
beforehand also. In fact, you should be doing both: run and test the code
_before_ installing it, and also lint it (when
ntext. Where did you find this code?
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in have a new reply, that thread should be up near the top.
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That way an unhandled exception gets reported.
else:
os.rename(new_filename, filename + 'txt')
os.rename(new_filename, path)
Importantly:
os.rename(path, new_filename)
The old name comes first, then the new name.
Also, you might want to ensure that new_filename doesn't already exist...
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On 15Jun2018 00:24, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 10:00:59 +1000, Cameron Simpson wrote:
Francois, unless your regex can cross multiple lines it is better to
search files like this:
with open(the_filename) as f:
for line in f:
... search the line for the r
;word" strings. The documents list
gets this tuple:
(w, pattern['class'])
added to it.
In this way the documents list ends up with tuples of (words, classification),
with the words coming from the sentence via nltk and the classification coming
straight from the train item
On 14Jun2018 21:09, Tamara Berger wrote:
On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 4:32:56 AM UTC-4, Cameron Simpson wrote:
This is one reason to prefer the mailing list. You can subscribe here:
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[...]
Wait for the first message or so and for that
repr(): it will print out the structure of lists and so forth,
very useful.
Just reviewing that loop, the logic does look a little weird to me. I think the
"documents.append" should be inside the loop because otherwise it only accrues
the _last_ "w" and "pattern".
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named", repr(name), "is", age, "years old."
I'd be inclined to prefer the former one because I can see the shape of the
message.
Also, I notice you're using Python 2 (from the print syntax). In Python 3 we
have "format strings", which let you write:
ns in a
dynamic language, and type checking would impose a performance penalty for no
semantic effect.
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esentation
Can't you just read the file as a text file using the correct
codepage->decoding setting to get strings, _then_ parse numbers either with
some clunky regexp based approach or some flexible external library for common
numeric forms? (Someone suggested babel, I'v
rlap between my
problematic messages and yours.
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what transpires.
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On 26Jun2018 07:44, Richard Damon wrote:
On 6/26/18 2:50 AM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 24Jun2018 17:03, Gene Heskett wrote:
Generally spamassassin only gets picky about this occasionally, but for
the past several hours its working overtime on python list messages,
with the major problem
On 27Jun2018 08:55, Cameron Simpson wrote:
On closer inspection it looks like a FIDONET gateway may be the cause.
I've made enquiries of ab...@news.bbs.nz and newsmas...@news.bbs.nz, and am
awaiting a response.
I've also asked at Castle Rock BBS, based on a different heade
f you were using port 8000.
This also points the way to a workaround: since you're running the script
yourself on an ad hoc basis, change ports! Maybe provide the listening port on
the command line, and just bump it by one when this happens.
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se both will try to use the same local port and There Can Be Only One.
Do you need to run from both environments at the same time? I'd have thought
not, which also leads me to: why are you flicking from IDLE to Terminal? I
would have imagined using one or the other normally, not both. It i
27;t know what you
meant exactly, although I suspect it wasn't complimentary. ;-)
It tends to mean "weird", but perhaps a more nuanced phrasing might be unusual
and strange, and usually connotes some degree of over complication.
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lue.
The variable my_height is an int, and for an int both these things are the
same.
Try:
my_height = 7.3
and see what you get.
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o there's no gap in the documentation for replace: it accepts an old string
and a new string. When you write:
"a" or "b"
you're computing that value to pass to replace _before_ replace gets called.
I hope this clarifies what's going on.
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s None:
argv = sys.argv
... code here ...
return meaningful_exit_code
The "argv is None" shuffle is for PyPI packaging, where the standard script
wrapper _doesn't_ pass in sys.argv, (no idea why, I should submit an
enhancement proposal). Otherwise, there's argv, rea
; code should work directly, as all those names
you import become simple flat names inside Qt (Qt.Qt, Qt.QIcon, Qt.QDialog,
etc).
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#x27;b': 2, 'c': 3}
"""
which is correct, *except* that dict keys have arbitrary order in the
versions of Python I'm using.
I have three ways of dealing with this. Which do you prefer?
Option 4:
>>> func(1) == {'a': 1, 'b': 2, 'c': 3}
True
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On 06Jul2018 01:43, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jul 2018 09:31:50 +1000, Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 05Jul2018 17:57, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
I have three ways of dealing with this. Which do you prefer?
Option 4:
>>> func(1) == {'a': 1, 'b':
hat is the name of the module.
So that "main" function and the "if" at the bottom is standard Python
boilerplate code for what you're trying to do.
Import this in my test program (file/module) and then initiate calls present
in the program.
If there is some simpl
stalled with "g" prefixes.
It does exactly this, and has done for decades :-)
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On 07Jul2018 20:11, Skip Montanaro wrote:
Have you looked at the ptx command? Might be called "gptx" on a system with the
GNU coreutils installed with "g" prefixes.
Thanks, Cameron. I was unaware of it. Will check it out.
BTW, it well predates the GNU coreutils; I used i
On 07Jul2018 21:57, Tim Chase wrote:
On 2018-07-08 12:12, Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 07Jul2018 20:11, Skip Montanaro wrote:
>> Have you looked at the ptx command? Might be called "gptx"
>
>Thanks, Cameron. I was unaware of it. Will check it out.
BTW, it well predates the
On 08Jul2018 06:47, Tim Chase wrote:
On 2018-07-08 13:34, Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 07Jul2018 21:57, Tim Chase wrote:
>On 2018-07-08 12:12, Cameron Simpson wrote:
>> On 07Jul2018 20:11, Skip Montanaro
>> wrote:
>> >> Have you looked at the ptx command? Might be cal
, not a Python internal.
With a transcript of what you're doing people will be better able to help you.
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file I do it like this:
msg = email.parser.Parser().parse(msgfile, headersonly=headersonly)
where `msgfile` is an open file (just "open(pathname, errors='replace')"). That
returns a Message object.
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w you
exactly what system calls the processis making. A real spin lock situation will
be very apparent. 100% CPU with no system calls means a busy wait (polling).
Strace is an outstandingly useful and often overlooked tool for debugging
otherwise opaque behaviour.
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case? Not as time, but in loop iterations? Put a counter in the loop and check
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On 17Jul2018 12:39, Robin Becker wrote:
On 17/07/2018 12:16, Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 17Jul2018 10:10, Robin Becker wrote:
A user reported an infinite loop in reportlab. I determined a
possible cause and fix and would like to test for absence of the
loop. Is there any way to check for
ed
test though. These are filenames, yes? So shouldn't the stuff*() functions be
openin the file or something: I would expect that to dominate the runtime and
your extra name testing to not be the slowdown.
What's going on inside the stuff*() functions? Might they also have become more
complex with your new cases?
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gs can go wrong, including the code
_calling_ your function asking for the wrong thing. Letting the exception out
lets these situations get debugged.
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t.
All of these situations may benefit from doing conditional or deferred imports.
But try to avoid them until you have a specific need.
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On 22Jul2018 14:45, Cameron Simpson wrote:
Circular imports: 2 codependent modules. If you have:
module A:
import B
module B:
import B
That won't work: the second import (whichever it turns out to be) will
fail. One workaround is to make one of the modules put off the
import. A b
usually for (a) more complex messages or (b) separating the
message format from the values. Example:
print("The time is %s and the place is %s." % (when, where))
Instead of the much harder to read and maintain:
print("The time is", str(when), "and the place is
On 22Jul2018 15:38, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 22/07/18 05:45, Cameron Simpson wrote:
Circular imports: 2 codependent modules. If you have:
module A:
import B
module B:
import B
That won't work: the second import (whichever it turns out to be)
will fail. One workaround is to mak
to me that a method returning a memoryview of the mapped file
would be very handy here: no data copies at all, and not even any I/O unless
the data are accessed. But I see no such method in the documentation.
Does anyone have any insight here?
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I should add that I'm using CPython 3 on a Mac, happy to receive CPython 3
UNIX-specific advice. - Cameron
On 06Aug2018 09:28, Cameron Simpson wrote:
I'm tinkering with a module which scans video files. The MP4 parser
has a `discard_data` parameter which tells certain parts of the
On 05Aug2018 23:55, eryk sun wrote:
On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 11:28 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
It seems obvious to me that a method returning a memoryview of the mapped
file would be very handy here: no data copies at all, and not even any I/O
unless the data are accessed. But I see no such
On 08Aug2018 21:03, ma...@mail.com wrote:
[...] It seems that I do not really need NLTK. split() will do me. [...]
+1 QOTW
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ree.
Suppose you're verbally reciting a filename (or, of course, printing the
filename to a voder). Only Victor Borge will provide a full verbal
pronunciation of things [1]
[1]
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=victor+gorge+phonetic+punctuation
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benefit,
but after you've done it a few times it is easy and I at least now have a suite
of little modules whose components get reused all the time.
Cheers,
Cameron Simpson
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om, _before_ the sleep() call:
sys.stdout.flush()
Your call; the performance difference will be small, so it tends to come down
to keeping your code readable and maintainable.
Cheers,
Cameron Simpson
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