On 07/17/2015 01:46 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> Open for bikeshedding: What should the keyword be? We can't use
> "exec", which would match Unix and shell usage, because it's already
> used in a rather different sense in Python. Current candidates:
> "transfer", "goto", "recurse", and anything else
On 07/16/2015 09:34 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 7/16/2015 3:45 AM, Antoon Pardon wrote:
>> On 07/15/2015 11:19 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
>>>
>>> I believe that this pattern should work with any set of mutually
>>> recursive functions that always call each other in cyclic order. A
>>> more elaborate v
On 16/07/2015 17:17, Ian Kelly wrote:
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 3:28 AM, Robin Becker wrote:
.
I believe the classic answer is Ackermann's function
http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/RecursionInTheAckermannFunction/
which is said to be not "primitive recursive" ie cannot be un
On 07/16/2015 08:58 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> Nice of you to illustrate how being pedantic about something, can
>> make a response useless with regard to the intended original question.
> Just because your intention in giving that code was X, doesn't mean that
> others cannot use that code to a
- Original Message -
> From: "Steven D'Aprano"
> 75% or 90% is not a "vast majority". Vast majority implies more than
> 99%.
You could not be more wrong.
More than 99% is a stupendous majority, while within 95 to 99% is a tremendous
majority.
>From the official "Majority rating" 2015 ed
On 7/17/2015 3:17 AM, Antoon Pardon wrote:
On 07/17/2015 01:46 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
Open for bikeshedding: What should the keyword be? We can't use
"exec", which would match Unix and shell usage, because it's already
used in a rather different sense in Python. Current candidates:
"transfer"
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Antoon Pardon
wrote:
> On 07/17/2015 01:46 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> Open for bikeshedding: What should the keyword be? We can't use
>> "exec", which would match Unix and shell usage, because it's already
>> used in a rather different sense in Python. Current ca
On 07/16/2015 06:43 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:32 AM, Antoon Pardon
> wrote:
>
>> What is unclear about "as it is generally produced on stderr"? That you
>> can do a whole lot of stuff, doesn't mean that this whole lot of stuff is
>> part of what generally happens. When
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> Jessie's default should be 2.7, at least. Wheezy shipped 2.7, too;
>> it's only Squeeze (now out of support) that didn't ship any 2.7.x
>> Python. Are you sure you can't at least upgrade to 2.7?
>
> I'm not sure, I'm not actively involved
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Antoon Pardon
wrote:
> Just wondering, are traceback records of generators available? They are
> if an exception is raised in the generator itself, but what if an exception
> is raised in the loop that is driven by a generator. They don't appear in
> the standard s
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On 07/17/2015 01:05 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Antoon Pardon
> wrote:
>> Just wondering, are traceback records of generators available? They are
>> if an exception is raised in the generator itself, but what if an exception
>> is raised in the loop that is driven
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 9:43 PM, Antoon Pardon
wrote:
> On 07/17/2015 01:05 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Antoon Pardon
>> wrote:
>>> Just wondering, are traceback records of generators available? They are
>>> if an exception is raised in the generator itself, but
They don't offer any free versions for those systems and their licenses are
quite expensive.
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 2:26 AM, Laura Creighton wrote:
> I think Activestate makes a Python 2.y for Solaris.
> http://www.activestate.com/activepython
>
> I've never used it.
>
> Laura
>
> In a message
On 07/17/2015 01:49 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 9:43 PM, Antoon Pardon
> wrote:
>
>
>> Sure, but in this case, the generator is still active. The Runtime
>> would be able to jump to and somehow activates it's stack record
>> for the next value. So why would we expect it to
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 10:54 PM, Antoon Pardon
wrote:
> On 07/17/2015 01:49 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 9:43 PM, Antoon Pardon
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Sure, but in this case, the generator is still active. The Runtime
>>> would be able to jump to and somehow activates it's s
On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 2:59:02 PM UTC-4, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 1:36 PM, yoursurrogate...@gmail.com
> wrote:
> > If I understand correctly, lookup would not be a constant, yes?
>
> On the contrary, that's what you desire, nearly constant time
> execution. To the gr
Hi Alex,
On 17.07.2015 00:58, Alex wrote:
> Do you have Python 2.7 64bit versions available for Solaris (10/11)
> x86/SPARC, AIX, and HP-UX IA/RISC? I've had the displeasure of having to
> install 64bit Python on Solaris and AIX and it's an experience I would not
> recommend even though OpenCSW an
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 9:32 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
> Maybe people are reading a different implementation than I am. Python's
> dict object doesn't use linked lists to deal with hash collisions, it probes
> other slots instead.
No, I was working a) from memory, and b) not looking at the
imple
On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 19:15:38 -0700, craig.sirna wrote:
> I need help writing a homework program.
>
> I'll write it, but I can't figure out how to incorporate what I have
> read in the book to work in code.
>
> The assignment wants us to take a users first, middle and last name in a
> single inpu
Hi, Rob,
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Rob Gaddi
wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 19:15:38 -0700, craig.sirna wrote:
>
>> I need help writing a homework program.
>>
>> I'll write it, but I can't figure out how to incorporate what I have
>> read in the book to work in code.
>>
>> The assignment w
On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 12:31:04 PM UTC-7, Aron Barsam wrote:
> how do you play python because i have gone on the website but i haven't
> managed to code?
http://i.imgur.com/x2KwTbw.jpg
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On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 12:17:55 AM UTC-7, Antoon Pardon wrote:
> On 07/17/2015 01:46 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > Open for bikeshedding: What should the keyword be? We can't use
> > "exec", which would match Unix and shell usage, because it's already
> > used in a rather different sense in Py
On 07/17/2015 12:17 AM, Antoon Pardon wrote:
On 07/17/2015 01:46 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
Open for bikeshedding: What should the keyword be? We can't use
"exec", which would match Unix and shell usage, because it's already
used in a rather different sense in Python. Current candidates:
"transfe
On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 1:38:52 AM UTC-5, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> 75% or 90% is not a "vast majority". Vast majority implies more than 99%.
>
> But regardless of the precise meaning of "vast", if you want to dismiss one
> in four people (25%) or one in ten (10%) as inconsequential, then you'v
I Need immediate Help w. Getting the Eclipse Python Add-On. I looked all around
the Eclipse website to try to get this but didn't see the add-on for this. Can
someone please help me to find it? Thanx.
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On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Steve Burrus wrote:
> I Need immediate Help w. Getting the Eclipse Python Add-On. I looked all
> around the Eclipse website to try to get this but didn't see the add-on for
> this. Can someone please help me to find it? Thanx.
I think you're looking for PyDev: h
On 7/17/2015 11:22 AM, Steve Burrus wrote:
I Need immediate Help w. Getting the Eclipse Python Add-On. I looked all around
the Eclipse website to try to get this but didn't see the add-on for this. Can
someone please help me to find it? Thanx.
Googling 'python ecplise' certainly yields a lot
Resizing a tkinter window which contains a frame which contains a button
widget, will not change the current size of the window, frame or button as
recorded in their height and width attributes (at least not if they are
resizable). What is the correct way to detect their current size?
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On 17/07/2015 17:40, Rob Gaddi wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 19:15:38 -0700, craig.sirna wrote:
I need help writing a homework program.
I'll write it, but I can't figure out how to incorporate what I have
read in the book to work in code.
The assignment wants us to take a users first, middle and
On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 1:53:19 PM UTC-5, nickge...@gmail.com wrote:
> Resizing a tkinter window which contains a frame which contains a button
> widget, will not change the current size of the window, frame or button as
> recorded in their height and width attributes (at least not if they ar
On 7/16/2015 3:45 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Nobody seemed to notice that I just posted a fairly typical tail call
function:
Because non-recursive tail calls are completely normal. Example:
return len(self.children)
Even tail operations like
return a + b
are tail calls if rewritten as
On 7/17/15 12:17 PM, nickgeova...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 1:53:19 PM UTC-5, nickge...@gmail.com wrote:
Resizing a tkinter window which contains a frame which contains a button
widget, will not change the current size of the window, frame or button as
recorded in their heig
On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 2:52:56 PM UTC-5, Russell Owen wrote:
> I'm not seeing it. If I try the following script I see
> that resizing the widget does update frame.winfo_width()
> and winfo_height. (I also see that the requested width and
> height are ignored; you can omit those).
I wonder if
On 7/17/2015 7:43 AM, Antoon Pardon wrote:
On 07/17/2015 01:05 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
def gen():
yield stuff
yield more stuff
for stuff in gen():
bomb with exception
The error didn't happen in the generator, so I wouldn't expect to see
it in the traceback.
Yes something l
I think kivy is doing a very nice job of python-on-the-mobile.
Have you looked? Please do not rant at me, just tell me what you
think.
Laura
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Terry Reedy :
> On 7/16/2015 3:45 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> Nobody seemed to notice that I just posted a fairly typical tail call
>> function:
>
> Because non-recursive tail calls are completely normal.
I don't know how recursion makes a difference but that one did happen to
be recursive. It c
> Dear Python-List
>
> As part of my A2 Computing coursework, I need to program a solution using
> Python 3.4. I also need to document the minimum requirements to run Python
> 3.4 on a Windows machine, including minimum RAM, minimum processing power,
> minimum hard disk space and monitor resolutio
In my day job, we have a large code base of mostly identical projects, each
with their own customizations. The customizations can be a real pain
sometimes. Especially when debugging binary data. The interesting part of
the binary dumps are most often the stuff that are tweaked from project to
proj
On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 7:37 AM, Luke Harrison wrote:
> As part of my A2 Computing coursework, I need to program a solution using
>
> Python 3.4. I also need to document the minimum requirements to run Python
>
> 3.4 on a Windows machine, including minimum RAM, minimum processing power,
>
> minimu
On 17/07/2015 21:38, Laura Creighton wrote:
I think kivy is doing a very nice job of python-on-the-mobile.
Have you looked? Please do not rant at me, just tell me what you
think.
Laura
At least rr occasionally comes out with something useful, usually WRT
tkinter. He's in the bottom divisio
On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 2:52:56 PM UTC-5, Russell Owen wrote:
> On 7/17/15 12:17 PM, nickgeova...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 1:53:19 PM UTC-5, nickge...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Resizing a tkinter window which contains a frame which contains a button
> >> widget, will not ch
On 7/17/2015 12:15 AM, Rick Johnson wrote:
On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 9:44:56 PM UTC-5, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
[...] My take from all this is that overall, Python 3
take-up is probably > around 10% of all Python users,
All that rambling just to agree with me? My educated guess
is a minimum
On 7/17/2015 2:53 PM, nickgeova...@gmail.com wrote:
Resizing a tkinter window which contains a frame which contains a
button widget, will not change the current size of the window, frame
or button as recorded in their height and width attributes (at least
not if they are resizable).
Post the co
On 7/17/2015 3:45 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
Now my question for you or anyone else: If the vast majority of Python
programmers are focused on 2.7,
I consider myself in this group.
why are volunteers to help fix 2.7 bugs so scarce?
perhaps the bugs that are show stoppers are providing the impe
On 17Jul2015 20:43, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Antoon Pardon
wrote:
On 07/17/2015 01:46 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
Open for bikeshedding: What should the keyword be? We can't use
"exec", which would match Unix and shell usage, because it's already
used in a rather d
On 7/17/2015 4:55 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Terry Reedy :
On 7/16/2015 3:45 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Nobody seemed to notice that I just posted a fairly typical tail call
function:
Because non-recursive tail calls are completely normal.
I don't know how recursion makes a difference
Ther
On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Terry Reedy wrote:
> If children are not always instances of type(self), as when a tree has
> separate Node and Leaf classes, then recursive calls to Node instances must
> be separated from non-recursive Leaf calls before replacing the recursive
> calls.
More ser
On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 19:15:38 -0700, craig.sirna wrote:
> The assignment wants us to take a users first, middle and last name in a
> single input ( name=('enter your full name: )).
>
> Then we must display the full name rearranged in Last, First Middle
> order.
To generate a list of words from a
On 7/17/2015 6:42 PM, nickgeova...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think I've seen the "winfo_optioname()" construct in the
python-side doc. For example Sec 25.1.6.1 "Setting Options" in the
tkinter chapter of the standard python Library Reference doesn't
mention it or anything syntactically similar.
On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 5:55:19 PM UTC-5, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 7/17/2015 2:53 PM, nickgeova...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Resizing a tkinter window which contains a frame which contains a
> > button widget, will not change the current size of the window, frame
> > or button as recorded in their he
Chris Angelico writes:
> My point was that I have yet to see anything that demands TCO and
> can't be algorithmically improved.
I don't think anyone claimed you can't simulate TCO with updateable
variables and a while loop. TCO just sometimes lets you write some
things in a cleaner (in proponnet
Chris Angelico writes:
> # derived from Paul Rubin's example
> def quicksort(array, start, end):
> midp = partition(array, start, end)
Heh, forgot to include the base case, as someone pointed out. Oh well,
it's pseudocode, or something.
> transfer quicksort(array, midp+1, end)
Ove
On 17.07.15 02:46, Chris Angelico wrote:
Out of the lengthy thread on tail call optimization has come one broad
theory that might be of interest, so I'm spinning it off into its own
thread.
The concept is like the Unix exec[vlpe] family of functions: replace
the current stack frame with a new on
On 7/17/2015 9:31 PM, nickgeova...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 5:55:19 PM UTC-5, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 7/17/2015 2:53 PM, nickgeova...@gmail.com wrote:
Resizing a tkinter window which contains a frame which contains a
button widget, will not change the current size of the windo
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