Re: Add "Received:" header to email msg in correct position?

On 05-05-14 21:51, Grant Edwards wrote: > I'm working on a Python app that receives an e-mail message via SMTP, > does some trivial processing on it, and forwards it to another SMTP > server. > > I'd like to do the polite thing and add a "Received:" header, but I > can't figure out how to get Pytho

Re: Add "Received:" header to email msg in correct position?

Antoon Pardon : > I'm working on a Python app that receives an e-mail message via SMTP, > > does some trivial processing on it, and forwards it to another SMTP > > server. > > > > I'd like to do the polite thing and add a "Received:" header, but I > > can't figure out how to get Python's email mod

Re: The “does Python have variables?” debate

On 07/05/2014 07:18, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: Ned Batchelder : Why is "variable" sacrosanct and can only be used to describe C semantics, but we're OK reusing class, int, and function? The Python language specification calls them variables; the terminology discussion should end there. I entir

Re: Add "Received:" header to email msg in correct position?

On 07-05-14 10:11, Emre Hasegeli wrote: > Antoon Pardon >: > > > I'm working on a Python app that receives an e-mail message via > SMTP, > > does some trivial processing on it, and forwards it to another SMTP > > server. > > > > I'd like

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Common issue but unable to find common solution (ez_setup.py on PC)

Hello, By way of google I realize I am having what appears to be a pretty common issue install ez_setup.py on a PC (Windows XP, Python27). I receive an error message that looks like the following: Installing easy_install-2.7.exe.manifest script to C:\Python27\Scripts Installed c:\python27\li

Re: Python under the sea and in space

I don't suppose "eight miles high" in the figurative sense counts? Cheers, Steve J. Martin -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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Re: Common issue but unable to find common solution (ez_setup.py on PC)

Hi. On 7.5.2014. 13:55, Jason Mellone wrote: By way of google I realize I am having what appears to be a pretty common issue install ez_setup.py on a PC (Windows XP, Python27). I receive an error message that looks like the following: Installing easy_install-2.7.exe.manifest script to C:\Pyt

Re: The “does Python have variables?” debate

On 05/06/2014 11:18 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: Actually, while Python variables are not first-class objects, one could see them as dictionary-key pairs. So you can even pass them by reference by passing the dictionary and the key. Well, you could pass them that way, but not necessarily change t

Re: Common issue but unable to find common solution (ez_setup.py on PC)

On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 9:44:14 AM UTC-4, Jurko Gospodnetić wrote: > Hi. > > > > On 7.5.2014. 13:55, Jason Mellone wrote: > > > By way of google I realize I am having what appears to be > > > a pretty common issue install ez_setup.py on a PC (Windows XP, Python27). > > > > > > I receive an

Re: The “does Python have variables?” debate

On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 11:00 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: > On 05/06/2014 11:18 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> >> Actually, while Python variables are not first-class objects, one could >> see them as dictionary-key pairs. So you can even pass them by reference >> by passing the dictionary and the key. >

Re: The “does Python have variables?” debate

Ethan Furman : > On 05/06/2014 11:18 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> Actually, while Python variables are not first-class objects, one >> could see them as dictionary-key pairs. So you can even pass them by >> reference by passing the dictionary and the key. > > Well, you could pass them that way, bu

Re: The “does Python have variables?” debate

Chris Angelico : > That's because, while you can *think of* Python name bindings as being > like dict key/value pairs, they aren't always that. Function locals, > class locals, and other such namespaces aren't necessarily implemented > with dicts. They're conceptually still a "dictionary" of sorts

Re: The “does Python have variables?” debate

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 12:17 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Weird. Some other tests of mine did work. But: > >Note: The contents of this dictionary should not be modified; changes >may not affect the values of local and free variables used by the >interpreter. [https://docs.python.org

Re: Add "Received:" header to email msg in correct position?

On 2014-05-07, Antoon Pardon wrote: > On 07-05-14 10:11, Emre Hasegeli wrote: >> Antoon Pardon > >: >> >> > I'm working on a Python app that receives an e-mail message via >> SMTP, >> > does some trivial processing on it, and forwards it to another

Re: Add "Received:" header to email msg in correct position?

On 2014-05-07, Antoon Pardon wrote: > On 05-05-14 21:51, Grant Edwards wrote: >> I'm working on a Python app that receives an e-mail message via SMTP, >> does some trivial processing on it, and forwards it to another SMTP >> server. >> >> I'd like to do the polite thing and add a "Received:" heade

Re: Add "Received:" header to email msg in correct position?

On 05/06/14 18:26, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2014-05-06, Burak Arslan wrote: >> On 05/06/14 12:47, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 7:15 PM, alister >>> wrote: On Mon, 05 May 2014 19:51:15 +, Grant Edwards wrote: > I'm working on a Python app that receives an e-

Re: Add "Received:" header to email msg in correct position?

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 1:06 AM, Burak Arslan wrote: > Seeing how discussion is still going on about this, I'd like to state > once more what I said above in other words: You just need to do this: > > "Received: blah\r\n" + message.to_string() > > or better: > > socket.write("Received: blah\r\n") >

Normal dict behavior?

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Re: Normal dict behavior?

On 5/7/14 11:06 AM, antoine wrote: Hi, Python 2.7.5 (default, Nov 20 2013, 14:20:58) [GCC 4.7.1] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. {0.: None, 0:None} {0.0: None} The second item disappeared! Why? Is it normal? Because 0 == 0.0 -- Ned Batchel

Re: Normal dict behavior?

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 1:06 AM, antoine wrote: > Hi, > > Python 2.7.5 (default, Nov 20 2013, 14:20:58) > [GCC 4.7.1] on linux2 > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. {0.: None, 0:None} > {0.0: None} > > The second item disappeared! > > Why? > Is it normal? T

Re: Normal dict behavior?

On 07.05.2014 17:20, Ned Batchelder wrote: > Because 0 == 0.0 > hash(0) == hash(0.0) and 0 == 0.0 Christian -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Normal dict behavior?

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 1:34 AM, Christian Heimes wrote: > hash(0) == hash(0.0) and 0 == 0.0 In theory, the former should be implied by the latter. Any deviation from that is a bug in __hash__ for the two objects. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Using ssl.wrap_socket() in chroot jail

Let's say you have a server/daemon application written in python that accepts incoming SSL connections. You want to run that application in a chroot jail. The last thing you want in that jail is your SSL certificate private key file. But, it appears the ssl module won't accept SSL certificates

Re: The “does Python have variables?” debate

On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 2:18 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Ned Batchelder : > >> Why is "variable" sacrosanct and can only be used to describe C >> semantics, but we're OK reusing class, int, and function? > > The Python language specification calls them variables; the terminology > discussion should

Re: Using ssl.wrap_socket() in chroot jail

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 1:42 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: > But, it appears the ssl module won't accept SSL certificates and keys > as data strings, or as stringio file objects. It will only accept a > filename, and it has to open/read that file every time a connection is > accepted. > > So how do you

Re: Common issue but unable to find common solution (ez_setup.py on PC)

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python-daemon interaction with multiprocessing (secure-smtpd)

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Re: python-daemon interaction with multiprocessing (secure-smtpd)

On 2014-05-07, Grant Edwards wrote: > With Python 2.7.5, I'm trying to use the python-daemon 1.6 and its > DaemonRunner helper with the seucre-smtpd 1.1.9 which appears to use > multiprocessing and a process pool under the covers. There seem to be > a couple process issues: > > 1) The pid file c

idle glitch while building python 3.4 from sources

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Re: Using ssl.wrap_socket() in chroot jail

On 07.05.2014 17:42, Grant Edwards wrote: > Let's say you have a server/daemon application written in python that > accepts incoming SSL connections. > > You want to run that application in a chroot jail. > > The last thing you want in that jail is your SSL certificate private > key file. > >

Re: Pass variable by reference

On 5/6/14 6:46 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: Is there really a fundamental difference between languages in which that is equally valid syntax and does exactly the same thing? No. And from that standpoint, python has variables. I know, because I thought about python's 'variables' as variables for

Re: idle glitch while building python 3.4 from sources

In article , Mark H Harris wrote: > I know its my own fault (because I should just know this) but I got to > wondering about others who 'might not know' about the tcl/tk dev > packages and would be scratching their heads about why _tkinter is > missing and IDLE won't run, although tcl/tk is in

Re: Using ssl.wrap_socket() in chroot jail

On 2014-05-07, Christian Heimes wrote: > On 07.05.2014 17:42, Grant Edwards wrote: >> Let's say you have a server/daemon application written in python that >> accepts incoming SSL connections. >> >> You want to run that application in a chroot jail. >> >> The last thing you want in that jail i

Re: python-daemon interaction with multiprocessing (secure-smtpd)

Grant Edwards writes: > On 2014-05-07, Grant Edwards wrote: > > How do you terminate a Python program that's using multiprocessing? > > It looks like you have to kill all the threads individually. :/ As I understand it, the ‘multiprocessing’ module https://docs.python.org/3/library/multipr

Re: python-daemon interaction with multiprocessing (secure-smtpd)

On 2014-05-07, Ben Finney wrote: > Grant Edwards writes: > >> On 2014-05-07, Grant Edwards wrote: >> > How do you terminate a Python program that's using multiprocessing? >> >> It looks like you have to kill all the threads individually. :/ > > As I understand it, the ‘multiprocessing’ modu

Re: The “does Python have variables?” debate

On 5/7/14 10:48 AM, Jerry Hill wrote: I think it's rather silly for someone to insist that python doesn't have variables. On the other hand, I think it can be useful to point out that python variable aren't like C variables, and that thinking of python variables as having two parts -- names and

Re: idle glitch while building python 3.4 from sources

On 5/7/14 1:19 PM, Ned Deily wrote: If the Python build (the "make sharedmods" build step) can't successfully build the _tkinter extension module (because, for example, it couldn't find the Tk headers or libraries), the build step already reports that it could not build _tkinter. hi Ned, wher

Re: The “does Python have variables?” debate

Mark H Harris writes: > So, when anyone points out that Python does not have variables, but > rather Python has names bound to objects... they are being most > helpful. > > As I pointed out earlier, I think the better approach would be to find > positive language for helping new folks understand

Re: python-daemon interaction with multiprocessing (secure-smtpd)

On 2014-05-07, Grant Edwards wrote: > With Python 2.7.5, I'm trying to use the python-daemon 1.6 and its > DaemonRunner helper with the seucre-smtpd 1.1.9 which appears to use > multiprocessing and a process pool under the covers. There seem to be > a couple process issues: > > 1) The pid file

Re: python-daemon interaction with multiprocessing (secure-smtpd)

op 07-05-14 21:11, Grant Edwards schreef: > > Mainly, I'm just trying to figure out the right way to terminate the > server from an /etc/init script. > As far as I understand you have to make sure that your daemon is a proces group leader. All the children it will fork will then belong to its pro

Re: The “does Python have variables?” debate

Ben Finney : > That's why I always try to say “Python doesn't have variables the way > you might know from many other languages”, Please elaborate. To me, Python variables are like variables in all programming languages I know. Python currently does not allow me to obtain the "address" of a varia

Re: Pass variable by reference

Mark H Harris : > A == B > True > > A is B > False > > [...] > > This is just one of a dozen 'different' kinds of examples. And the > answer is the same, Python does not have variables, Python has names > bound to objects. That is a different topic and isn't related to variables at all. Instead,

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Greetings, thanks to the folks who worked on the right click context menu in IDLE for python 3.4! Nice job. marcus -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The “does Python have variables?” debate

On 5/7/14 4:15 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: That's why I always try to say “Python doesn't have variables the way you might know from many other languages”, Please elaborate. To me, Python variables are like variables in all programming languages I know. Python currently does not allow me to obtai

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Re: Add "Received:" header to email msg in correct position?

On May 7, 2014 9:13 AM, "Chris Angelico" wrote: > > On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 1:06 AM, Burak Arslan wrote: > > Seeing how discussion is still going on about this, I'd like to state > > once more what I said above in other words: You just need to do this: > > > > "Received: blah\r\n" + message.to_str

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Re: Python under the sea and in space

On Wed, 07 May 2014 05:17:14 -0700, sjmsoft wrote: > I don't suppose "eight miles high" in the figurative sense counts? I'm afraid I don't know what "eight miles high" in the figurative sense means. There's at least two songs by that name, and a German movie, and I wonder whether you're thinkin

Re: The “does Python have variables?” debate

Marko Rauhamaa writes: > Ben Finney : > > > That's why I always try to say “Python doesn't have variables the way > > you might know from many other languages”, > > Please elaborate. To me, Python variables are like variables in all > programming languages I know. Many established and still-popu

Re: The “does Python have variables?” debate

On Wed, 07 May 2014 11:48:15 -0400, Jerry Hill wrote: > On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 2:18 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> Ned Batchelder : >> >>> Why is "variable" sacrosanct and can only be used to describe C >>> semantics, but we're OK reusing class, int, and function? >> >> The Python language specific

Values and objects [was Re: Pass variable by reference]

On Thu, 08 May 2014 00:22:55 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > But hey, we can open another thread for whether Python has values or > objects! In Python, all values *are* objects. It isn't a matter of choosing one or the other. The value 1 is an object, not a native (low-level, unboxed) 32 or 64 b

Re: The “does Python have variables?” debate

On Wed, 07 May 2014 16:35:00 -0500, Mark H Harris wrote: > On 5/7/14 4:15 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >>> That's why I always try to say “Python doesn't have variables the way >>> you might know from many other languages”, >> >> Please elaborate. To me, Python variables are like variables in all >>

Re: Pass variable by reference

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 4:11 AM, Mark H Harris wrote: > And we must never forget that CPython's underpinnings, uhm C, uses > variables, C ones... (never mind) Be careful of this one. It's utterly irrelevant to your point, and may be distracting. I could implement Ook in Python; does that mean tha

Re: The “does Python have variables?” debate

On 5/7/14 8:35 PM, Ben Finney wrote: Marko Rauhamaa writes: Ben Finney : That's why I always try to say “Python doesn't have variables the way you might know from many other languages”, Please elaborate. To me, Python variables are like variables in all programming languages I know. Many

Re: The “does Python have variables?” debate

On Thu, 08 May 2014 10:35:46 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > Marko Rauhamaa writes: > >> Ben Finney : >> >> > That's why I always try to say “Python doesn't have variables the way >> > you might know from many other languages”, >> >> Please elaborate. To me, Python variables are like variables in all

Value vs Identity (was Re: Pass variable by reference)

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 7:22 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Mark H Harris : > >> A == B >> True >> >> A is B >> False >> >> [...] >> >> This is just one of a dozen 'different' kinds of examples. And the >> answer is the same, Python does not have variables, Python has names >> bound to objects. > > Th

Re: The “does Python have variables?” debate

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > If I have understood correctly, and I welcome confirmation or correction, > one can have any combination of: > > * dynamic typing and name binding (e.g. Python and Ruby); > * static typing and name binding (e.g. Java); > * dynamic typing an

Re: Using ssl.wrap_socket() in chroot jail

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 4:51 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: > Unfortunately, the actual SSL wrapping stuff isn't being done in my > code. It's being done by the secure-smtpd module, which will pass > whatever cert/key params I give it to ssl.wrap_socket(). That still > leaves the third option (e.g. stu

Re: idle glitch while building python 3.4 from sources

In article <536a8c95.6050...@gmail.com>, Mark H Harris wrote: > On 5/7/14 1:19 PM, Ned Deily wrote: > > If the Python build (the "make sharedmods" build step) can't > > successfully build the _tkinter extension module (because, for example, > > it couldn't find the Tk headers or libraries), the

Re: The “does Python have variables?” debate

On Thu, 08 May 2014 12:09:21 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Steven D'Aprano > wrote: >> If I have understood correctly, and I welcome confirmation or >> correction, one can have any combination of: >> >> * dynamic typing and name binding (e.g. Python and Ruby); *

Re: The “does Python have variables?” debate

On Thu, 08 May 2014 01:27:08 +, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > If I have understood correctly, and I welcome confirmation or > correction, one can have any combination of: > * dynamic typing and name binding (e.g. Python and Ruby); > * static typing and name binding (e.g. Java); > * dynamic typing

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Re: data: protocol

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Re: Python under the sea and in space

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Re: The “does Python have variables?” debate

Ben Finney : > Many established and still-popular languages have the following > behaviour:: > > # pseudocode > > foo = [1, 2, 3] > bar = foo # bar gets the value [1, 2, 3] > assert foo == bar # succeeds > foo[1] = "spam"# foo is now == [1, "spam", 3] > assert

Re: The “does Python have variables?” debate

Marko Rauhamaa writes: > What you are describing is that Python has pointer semantics. That doesn't describe it, no. To my eye, “pointer semantics” entails that one can directly pass a pointer around as a value (which can't be done for Python references), and that one can de-reference a pointer

Re: The "does Python have variables?" debate

On Thursday, May 8, 2014 12:10:45 PM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: > Marko Rauhamaa writes: > > What you are describing is that Python has pointer semantics. > That doesn't describe it, no. To my eye, "pointer semantics" entails > that one can directly pass a pointer around as a value (which can't