On Jul 13, 5:22 am, CM wrote:
> On Jul 12, 5:18 pm, rantingrick wrote:
> > Kevin made the argument earlier that Tkinter (and others) are so easy
> > to use that they render needing a GUI builder useless -- and he is
> > correct! But did you know that there are GUI libraries EVEN more
> > highly
On Jul 12, 5:18 pm, rantingrick wrote:
> On Jul 12, 1:43 pm, CM wrote:
>
> > > > One reason there hasn't been much demand for a GUI builder is that, in
> > > > many cases, it's just as simpler or simpler to code a GUI by hand.
>
> > I use a GUI builder because I'd rather click less than
> > type
On Jul 12, 1:43 pm, CM wrote:
> > > One reason there hasn't been much demand for a GUI builder is that, in
> > > many cases, it's just as simpler or simpler to code a GUI by hand.
>
> I use a GUI builder because I'd rather click less than
> type more. I just tried that in Boa Constructor; with ~10
> > One reason there hasn't been much demand for a GUI builder is that, in
> > many cases, it's just as simpler or simpler to code a GUI by hand.
I use a GUI builder because I'd rather click less than type more. I
just
tried that in Boa Constructor; with ~10 mouse clicks I produced 964
characters
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> Where is the Windows equivalent of yum or apt-get? Why isn't there a central
> repository of independent and third party Windows software? It seems clear
> to me that it is the major open source communities that aim for
> convenience, at th
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On 2011.07.12 05:24 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Rather than taking advantage of that convenience, commercial vendors
> put barriers in the way and try to carve out little walled gardens.
> Did they not learn anything from AOL?
DRM and activation
Thorsten Kampe wrote:
> * sturlamolden (Mon, 11 Jul 2011 06:44:22 -0700 (PDT))
>> On 11 Jul, 14:39, Ben Finney wrote:
>> > The Unix model is: a collection of general-purpose, customisable
>> > tools, with clear standard interfaces that work together well, and
>> > are easily replaceable without l
On 12 Jul, 01:33, Dave Cook wrote:
> I prefer spec-generators (almost all generate XML these days) like
> QtDesigner to code-generators like Boa. I've only seen one good
> argument for code generation, and that's to generate code for a layout
> to "see how it's done". But code could always be ge
On 12 Jul, 01:33, Dave Cook wrote:
> I prefer spec-generators (almost all generate XML these days) like
> QtDesigner to code-generators like Boa. I've only seen one good
> argument for code generation, and that's to generate code for a layout
> to "see how it's done". But code could always be ge
Ivan Kljaic writes:
> My comPany would switch to python but they complained that there is
> not even one single gui builder or framework that can allow it to make
> a living from it.
That response from your company is a non sequitur. What does “one single
gui builder or framework” have to do wit
Chris Angelico wrote:
either brain something'd (keeping this
G-rated) or an orangutan,
There's a certain librarian who might take issue with your
lumping orangutans in with the brain-something'd...
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On 2011-07-10, Ivan Kljaic wrote:
> a lot of times. But seriously. Why is the not even one single RAD tool
> for Python. I mean what happened to boa constructor that it stopped
> developing. I simply do not see any reasons why there isn't anything.
I prefer spec-generators (almost all generate XM
On 11 Jul, 22:35, Kevin Walzer wrote:
> One reason there hasn't been much demand for a GUI builder is that, in
> many cases, it's just as simpler or simpler to code a GUI by hand.
Often a GUI builder is used as a bad replacement for sketch-pad and
pencil.
With layout managers (cf. wxWidgets, Qt
On 7/11/11 2:28 PM, Ivan Kljaic wrote:
Did you notice that 2 of these 4 are not for python? One is out of dTe
and one has a fucked up licence. Sorry guys but there is not even one
single rad gui tool for python as long as there is no serious
guibuilder.
One reason there hasn't been much demand
On 11 Jul, 21:58, sturlamolden wrote:
> http://wxformbuilder.org/
This Demo is using C++, it works the same with Python (wxPython code
is generated similarly).
http://zamestnanci.fai.utb.cz/~bliznak/screencast/wxfbtut1/wxFBTut1_controller.swf
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On Monday, 11 July 2011 00:50:31 UTC+2, Ivan Kljaic wrote:
> But seriously. Why is the not even one single RAD tool
> for Python. I simply do not see any reasons why there isn't anything.
> Please help me understand it. Any insights?
The set of reasons that nobody else has made one is *exactly* t
On 11 Jul, 20:28, Ivan Kljaic wrote:
> The ony worthly ones mentioning as an gui builder are boa constructor
> fo wx, qtDesigner with the famous licence problems why companies do
> not want to work with it, sharpdevelop for ironpython and netbeans for
> jython.
There is wxFormBuilder for wxPytho
On 11 Jul, 21:58, sturlamolden wrote:
> That's eight.
Sorry, nine ;)
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On 11 Jul, 20:28, Ivan Kljaic wrote:
> To summarize it. It would be very helpfull for python to spread if
> there qould be one single good rad gui builder similar to vs or
> netbeAns but for python. So right now if i need to make a gui app i
> need to work with an applicatio that is dicontinued f
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On 2011.07.11 02:16 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> You think Microsoft makes decisions and sticks with them? Look at
> Office's last few versions. They can't decide on a file format, an
> interface, a featureset... everything keeps changing.
Of cou
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 4:52 AM, rantingrick wrote:
> As we all know you only need three types of geometry management:
> * Linear (horizontal&vertical)
> * Grid
> * Absolute
>
I contend that Absolute is unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Grid
and Box (linear) are the most flexible, but the
On Jul 11, 1:28 pm, Ivan Kljaic wrote:
> To summarize it. It would be very helpfull for python to spread if
> there qould be one single good rad gui builder similar to vs or
> netbeAns but for python.
Well don't hold your breath friend because i have been ranting for
years about the sad state of
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 4:28 AM, Ivan Kljaic wrote:
> For how many years are this vui library wars going on. How many. Look.
> I am a open source supporter but Windows will always kick the ass of
> open source because the open source comunity can not make a decision.
You think Microsoft makes dec
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 20:11:56 +0300, Stefan Behnel wrote:
Just a quick suggestion regarding the way you posed your question. It's
usually better to ask if anyone knows a good tool to do a specific job
(which you would describe in your post), instead of complaining about there
being none.
Opini
On Jul 11, 1:03 pm, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
> The one time where point and click is majorly superior to scripted
> design is with pixel positioning of widgets. You can drag things
> around until you're artistically happy with them, rather than have to
> fiddle with the numbers in code.
This is tr
Ok. I asked about this questio because I am working with python for
the last 5 years and I am always in touch about signifigact things in
Python. I am pissed of that I make my living by developing
applications at work in Java an C#. My comPany would switch to python
but they complained that there i
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 2:56 AM, rantingrick wrote:
> It is very rare to need to "bang out" hundreds of lines of code to
> replace a mouse click interface. If properly designed a good API can
> compete with a GUI. In far less time than it takes me to scroll down a
> list of widgets, pick the appro
On Jul 11, 11:33 am, rusi wrote:
> A gui-builder reduces the semantic gap by showing a widget when the
> programmer things 'widget.'
> Banging out hundreds of lines in vi/emacs for the same purpose does a
> measurably poorer job.
It is very rare to need to "bang out" hundreds of lines of code to
Ivan Kljaic, 11.07.2011 00:50:
Ok Guys. I know that most of us have been expiriencing the need for a
nice Gui builder tool for RAD and most of us have been googling for it
a lot of times. But seriously. Why is the not even one single RAD tool
for Python.
Just a quick suggestion regarding the wa
> On Windows, you're a customer and the developer wants to make using his
> application as convenient as possible for you, the customer.
>
So the well-behavioured, good-intentioned windows devs are making sure
the
customer feels pampered and cozy, how nice and dandy.
> On Unix you don't pay and t
On Jul 11, 7:39 pm, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 12:21 AM, sturlamolden wrote:
> > You are probably aware that Unix and Unix customers have been around
> > since the 1970s. I would expect the paradigm to be changed by now.
>
> The paradigm of small tools that do exactly what th
* sturlamolden (Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:21:37 -0700 (PDT))
> On 11 Jul, 16:10, Thorsten Kampe wrote:
> > And as soon as developers start developing for Unix customers (say
> > Komodo, for instance), they start following the "Windows model" - as
> > you call it.
>
> You are probably aware that Unix an
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 12:21 AM, sturlamolden wrote:
> You are probably aware that Unix and Unix customers have been around
> since the 1970s. I would expect the paradigm to be changed by now.
>
The paradigm of small tools that do exactly what they're supposed to,
and can be combined? Nope. Ther
On 11 Jul, 16:10, Thorsten Kampe wrote:
> And as soon as developers start developing for Unix customers (say
> Komodo, for instance), they start following the "Windows model" - as you
> call it.
You are probably aware that Unix and Unix customers have been around
since the 1970s. I would expect
* sturlamolden (Mon, 11 Jul 2011 06:44:22 -0700 (PDT))
> On 11 Jul, 14:39, Ben Finney wrote:
> > The Unix model is: a collection of general-purpose, customisable
> > tools, with clear standard interfaces that work together well, and
> > are easily replaceable without losing the benefit of all the
On 7/10/11 6:50 PM, Ivan Kljaic wrote:
Ok Guys. I know that most of us have been expiriencing the need for a
nice Gui builder tool for RAD and most of us have been googling for it
a lot of times. But seriously. Why is the not even one single RAD tool
for Python. I mean what happened to boa constr
On 11 Jul, 14:39, Ben Finney wrote:
> The Unix model is: a collection of general-purpose, customisable tools,
> with clear standard interfaces that work together well, and are easily
> replaceable without losing the benefit of all the others.
This is opposed to the "Windows model" of a one-click
"bruno.desthuilli...@gmail.com" writes:
> On Jul 11, 2:42 am, Adam Tauno Williams
> wrote:
> >
> > But Open Source land is simply too fragmented. There are too many
> > database bindings [and RAD requires something like an ORM (think
> > SQLalchemy)] and far too many GUI toolkits [Qt, Gtk, wx,
On Jul 11, 2:42 am, Adam Tauno Williams
wrote:
>
> But Open Source land is simply too fragmented. There are too many
> database bindings [and RAD requires something like an ORM (think
> SQLalchemy)] and far too many GUI toolkits [Qt, Gtk, wx, and the list
> goes on and on].
>
> Nothing can muster
On 11 Jul, 00:50, Ivan Kljaic wrote:
> Ok Guys. I know that most of us have been expiriencing the need for a
> nice Gui builder tool for RAD and most of us have been googling for it
> a lot of times. But seriously. Why is the not even one single RAD tool
> for Python. I mean what happened to boa c
On 11 Jul, 02:43, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> >Because RAD tools are for GUI toolkits, not for languages. If you're
> >using GTK, Glade works fine. Same with QT and QTDesigner. If you're
> >using WPF with IronPython, t
>
> These [Glade, etc...] are *NOT* RAD tools. They are GUI designers. A
> R
As someone who was a Visual Studio user for many years, I felt much
the same way you do when I made the jump to Python on Linux last year.
But then I discovered Glade and am quite satisfied.
Glades UI design paradigm is a little different than that of VS but
it's not so hard that you couldn't lear
>Because RAD tools are for GUI toolkits, not for languages. If you're
>using GTK, Glade works fine. Same with QT and QTDesigner. If you're
>using WPF with IronPython, t
These [Glade, etc...] are *NOT* RAD tools. They are GUI designers. A
RAD tool provides a GUI designer that can be bound to a b
On Sun, 2011-07-10 at 15:50 -0700, Ivan Kljaic wrote:
> Ok Guys. I know that most of us have been expiriencing the need for a
> nice Gui builder tool for RAD and most of us have been googling for it
> a lot of times. But seriously. Why is the not even one single RAD tool
> for Python. I mean what h
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ivan Kljaic wrote:
> Ok Guys. I know that most of us have been expiriencing the need for a
> nice Gui builder tool for RAD and most of us have been googling for it
> a lot of times. But seriously. Why is the not even one single RAD tool
> for Python. I mean what h
On Jul 10, 6:50 pm, Ivan Kljaic wrote:
> Ok Guys. I know that most of us have been expiriencing the need for a
> nice Gui builder tool for RAD and most of us have been googling for it
> a lot of times. But seriously. Why is the not even one single RAD tool
> for Python. I mean what happened to boa
Excerpts from Ivan Kljaic's message of Sun Jul 10 18:50:31 -0400 2011:
> Ok Guys. I know that most of us have been expiriencing the need for a
> nice Gui builder tool for RAD and most of us have been googling for it
> a lot of times. But seriously. Why is the not even one single RAD tool
> for Pyth
Ok Guys. I know that most of us have been expiriencing the need for a
nice Gui builder tool for RAD and most of us have been googling for it
a lot of times. But seriously. Why is the not even one single RAD tool
for Python. I mean what happened to boa constructor that it stopped
developing. I simpl
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