Re: Overhead of individual python apps

2005-09-28 Thread Neil Hodgson
Dennis Lee Bieber: > I've not investigated -- but what is the default stack size given to > an application? Python has a stack reserve of 200 bytes but that is an allocation of virtual space. Pages are realised in that allocation as required with an initial stack commit of one pag

Re: Overhead of individual python apps

2005-09-28 Thread Peter Hansen
Fredrik Lundh wrote: > (for python, the "private" memory use is usually ~1.5 megabytes for a "empty" > 2.4 > process, and some of that will only occupy space in the paging file... for > firefox with > a simple page loaded into a single tab, the private space is ~10 megabytes) I believe a relati

Re: Overhead of individual python apps

2005-09-28 Thread Qopit
Thanks - this is all very interesting... > Ah, but is that physical memory consumed, or virtual memory MAPPED > to the processes. and > for python, the "private" memory use is usually ~1.5 megabytes for a "empty" > 2.4 > process, and some of that will only occupy space in the paging file... fo

Re: Overhead of individual python apps

2005-09-28 Thread Steve Holden
Paul Boddie wrote: > Steve Holden wrote: > >>Even embedded systems are much larger now than the minicomputers of >>yesteryear. Everything's relative. Just wait three years! > > > Had you placed such a bet in 2000, you'd have cleaned up at the > "Moore's Law Casino", but there are various factors

Re: Overhead of individual python apps

2005-09-28 Thread Paul Boddie
Steve Holden wrote: > Even embedded systems are much larger now than the minicomputers of > yesteryear. Everything's relative. Just wait three years! Had you placed such a bet in 2000, you'd have cleaned up at the "Moore's Law Casino", but there are various factors at work now which complicate the

Re: Overhead of individual python apps

2005-09-28 Thread Steve Holden
Paul Rubin wrote: > "Fredrik Lundh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>>That is bogus reasoning. >> >>not if you're a professional software developer and someone's paying you >>to develop an application that is to be run on a platform that they control. > > > An awful lot of Python targeted users a

Re: Overhead of individual python apps

2005-09-28 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Paul Rubin wrote: > An awful lot of Python targeted users are not in that situation, so if > Python's usability suffers for them when it doesn't have to, then > something is wrong with Python. (and so we go from the OP:s "I'm setting up a system" to the usual c.l.python "but I can come up with a

Re: Overhead of individual python apps

2005-09-28 Thread Paul Rubin
"Fredrik Lundh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > That is bogus reasoning. > > not if you're a professional software developer and someone's paying you > to develop an application that is to be run on a platform that they control. An awful lot of Python targeted users are not in that situation, so

Re: Overhead of individual python apps

2005-09-27 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Paul Rubin wrote: >> Several apps using 4Mb each shouldn't be very much memory (maybe >> 20Mb at most). You didn't say how much memory was in your machine, >> but 256Mb of memory will cost you no more than $50. Not really >> worth a lot of effort. > > That is bogus reasoning. not if you're a pr

Re: Overhead of individual python apps

2005-09-27 Thread ncf
First, please don't get so upset at people's replies (if you weren't upset, that's how it was coming across, so my apologies). No matter what newsgroup/forum you go to, there's always someone who's going to suggest something like that. Anyways, I'm fairly certain there are some minimalistic Python

Re: Overhead of individual python apps

2005-09-27 Thread Paul Rubin
Larry Bates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Several apps using 4Mb each shouldn't be very much memory (maybe > 20Mb at most). You didn't say how much memory was in your machine, > but 256Mb of memory will cost you no more than $50. Not really > worth a lot of effort. That is bogus reasoning. I ca

Re: Overhead of individual python apps

2005-09-27 Thread Larry Bates
Several apps using 4Mb each shouldn't be very much memory (maybe 20Mb at most). You didn't say how much memory was in your machine, but 256Mb of memory will cost you no more than $50. Not really worth a lot of effort. -Larry Qopit wrote: > I'm setting up a system that consists of several small

Re: Overhead of individual python apps

2005-09-27 Thread Mike Meyer
"Qopit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > When running in Windows, launching each application generates a > process, and each of those processes ends up taking up > 4MB of system > memory. This memory usage is as reported by the Windows Task manager > for the python.exe image name. The first step is

Overhead of individual python apps

2005-09-27 Thread Qopit
I'm setting up a system that consists of several small python applications that all communicate amongst each other on the same pc. When running in Windows, launching each application generates a process, and each of those processes ends up taking up > 4MB of system memory. This memory usage is as