[Off-Topic?] I love Python

2021-08-24 Thread Emir Geçir
I really love Python, it has an easy to understand and write syntax, it can get EVERY task done when used right and has a great community on platforms like Reddit, Discord etc. ** All the work every contributor, especially Guido and Mark Hammond has put into this language over yea

Now off-topic (Was: Re: NNTPlib apps work like a charm)

2020-01-22 Thread 황병희
Hellow rn, rn writes: > now that you posted it, readers may remember that there was the usenet > feature in EMACS as > well. Unlike ThunderBird, emacs/GNUs supports X-face, which is kinda > nice. > > let’s see whether emacs will allow to post here. Gnus is the best usenet/email client in the E

Re: OFF-TOPIC Good sig [was Re: What is the "Unpacking Arguments List" rule?]

2018-06-13 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 10:10 AM Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 12:43:12 +, Alister via Python-list wrote: > > > I have a theory that it's impossible to prove anything, but I can't > > prove it. > > Heh, that reminds me of Stephen Pinker's comment from "Enlightenment Now": > >

OFF-TOPIC Good sig [was Re: What is the "Unpacking Arguments List" rule?]

2018-06-13 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 12:43:12 +, Alister via Python-list wrote: > I have a theory that it's impossible to prove anything, but I can't > prove it. Heh, that reminds me of Stephen Pinker's comment from "Enlightenment Now": "one cannot reason that there's no such thing as reason" but on the oth

Re: (Not actually off-topic) Anyone here used Rebol or Red?

2018-05-19 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 19 May 2018 14:38:22 +, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > I'm looking for anyone with experience using either Rebol or its more > modern fork, Red. > > And yes, it is relevant to Python. Never mind, the Timbot has answered my question on the Python-Ideas list, so we're all good. -- Steve

(Not actually off-topic) Anyone here used Rebol or Red?

2018-05-19 Thread Steven D'Aprano
I'm looking for anyone with experience using either Rebol or its more modern fork, Red. And yes, it is relevant to Python. -- Steve -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Moderation and off-topic discussion [was Re: Bigotry and hate speech...]

2017-04-18 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 1:35 AM, Steve D'Aprano wrote: > In the meantime, people can help by posting their own new threads. If you > don't have a question to ask, you could always post an observation. What's > the coolest feature of Python you use? Got some good stories of brilliant > Python code

Moderation and off-topic discussion [was Re: Bigotry and hate speech...]

2017-04-18 Thread Steve D'Aprano
ed, and the mailing list administrators don't moderate each and every message. Besides, this forum does have a higher tolerance for off-topic discussions. (At least collectively -- individuals, of course, vary in their tolerance to off-topic discussion.) The best we can do is ask people to ch

OFF-TOPIC Bigotry on the list [was Re: Text-mode apps (Was :Who are the "spacists"?)]

2017-04-03 Thread Steve D'Aprano
On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 08:31 am, Terry Reedy wrote: [...] > I refrained because it would be off-topic and a diversion from my point: > all bigotry is inappropriate here on this list, Indeed it is not appropriate. But calling out bigotry is not itself bigotry. I hope you agree with that.

Re: OFF TOPIC mov is Turing complete

2016-10-11 Thread Michael Torrie
On 10/11/2016 09:19 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Completely off-topic, but too awesome not to share: > > The x86 assembly language "mov" instruction is Turing complete: > > https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~sd601/papers/mov.pdf And apparently someone has taken this an

OFF TOPIC mov is Turing complete

2016-10-11 Thread Steven D'Aprano
Completely off-topic, but too awesome not to share: The x86 assembly language "mov" instruction is Turing complete: https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~sd601/papers/mov.pdf Abstract It is well-known that the x86 instruction set is baroque, overcom- plicated, and redundantly redundan

Re: Oh gods can we get any more off-topic *wink* [was Re: [Python-ideas] Inconsistencies]

2016-09-15 Thread Gregory Ewing
Marko Rauhamaa wrote: It is actually quite interesting how the brain forms an accurate idea of a straight line and, say, a circle. Whenever you get a new pair of glasses, the brain needs a recalibration and manages to do it within a week. I had an interesting experience in that area a few years

Re: Oh gods can we get any more off-topic *wink* [was Re: [Python-ideas] Inconsistencies]

2016-09-15 Thread Random832
On Thu, Sep 15, 2016, at 15:31, Steve D'Aprano wrote: > Light follows geodesics, not straight lines. What is a straight line on a curved space if not a geodesic? That was actually what I was getting at. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Oh gods can we get any more off-topic *wink* [was Re: [Python-ideas] Inconsistencies]

2016-09-15 Thread Steve D'Aprano
On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 05:19 am, Random832 wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2016, at 15:06, Steve D'Aprano wrote: >> No, the horizon would still be horizontal. It merely wouldn't *look* >> horizontal, an optical illusion. > > I guess that depends on your definition of what a horizon is - and what > a straig

Re: Oh gods can we get any more off-topic *wink* [was Re: [Python-ideas] Inconsistencies]

2016-09-15 Thread Ethan Furman
On 09/15/2016 12:19 PM, Random832 wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2016, at 15:06, Steve D'Aprano wrote: No, the horizon would still be horizontal. It merely wouldn't *look* horizontal, an optical illusion. I guess that depends on your definition of what a horizon is - and what a straight line is, if

Re: Oh gods can we get any more off-topic *wink* [was Re: [Python-ideas] Inconsistencies]

2016-09-15 Thread Marko Rauhamaa
Random832 : > On Thu, Sep 15, 2016, at 15:06, Steve D'Aprano wrote: >> No, the horizon would still be horizontal. It merely wouldn't *look* >> horizontal, an optical illusion. > > I guess that depends on your definition of what a horizon is - and > what a straight line is, if not the path followed

Re: Oh gods can we get any more off-topic *wink* [was Re: [Python-ideas] Inconsistencies]

2016-09-15 Thread Random832
On Thu, Sep 15, 2016, at 15:06, Steve D'Aprano wrote: > No, the horizon would still be horizontal. It merely wouldn't *look* > horizontal, an optical illusion. I guess that depends on your definition of what a horizon is - and what a straight line is, if not the path followed by a beam of light. -

Re: Oh gods can we get any more off-topic *wink* [was Re: [Python-ideas] Inconsistencies]

2016-09-15 Thread Steve D'Aprano
On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 04:02 pm, Random832 wrote: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2016, at 23:12, Steve D'Aprano wrote: >> Yes it does. Even an infinitely large flat plane has a horizon almost >> identical to the actual horizon. > > Your link actually doesn't support the latter claim, it goes into some > detail o

Re: Oh gods can we get any more off-topic *wink* [was Re: [Python-ideas] Inconsistencies]

2016-09-15 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 4:41 AM, Steve D'Aprano wrote: >> Kanvas? > > Oh vorry about that, that'v a villy mivtake. I obsiouvly meant to type > Kansav. We're not in Kanvas any more, Toto! ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Oh gods can we get any more off-topic *wink* [was Re: [Python-ideas] Inconsistencies]

2016-09-15 Thread Steve D'Aprano
On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 11:45 pm, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2016-09-15, Steve D'Aprano wrote: >> On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 06:19 am, breamore...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> It is so blantantly obvious that the world is not flat I find this >>> discussion flabbergasting. >> >> You wouldn't say that if you lived

Re: Oh gods can we get any more off-topic *wink* [was Re: [Python-ideas] Inconsistencies]

2016-09-15 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2016-09-15, Steve D'Aprano wrote: > On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 06:19 am, breamore...@gmail.com wrote: > >> It is so blantantly obvious that the world is not flat I find this >> discussion flabbergasting. > > You wouldn't say that if you lived in Kanvas, or the west coast of Ireland. > > I'm told that

Re: Oh gods can we get any more off-topic *wink* [was Re: [Python-ideas] Inconsistencies]

2016-09-15 Thread Gregory Ewing
Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: And then there is Pratchett's Discworld... which is both flat and round (just not spherical) And it has a horizon -- if you go far enough you fall off the edge. -- Greg -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Oh gods can we get any more off-topic *wink* [was Re: [Python-ideas] Inconsistencies]

2016-09-15 Thread alister
On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 18:04:26 -0700, Chris Kaynor wrote: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 1:19 PM, wrote: > >> It is so blantantly obvious that the world is not flat I find this >> discussion flabbergasting. Anybody who has tried to take any form of >> vehicle up, or probably more dangerously down, any

Re: Oh gods can we get any more off-topic *wink* [was Re: [Python-ideas] Inconsistencies]

2016-09-14 Thread Dale Marvin via Python-list
istory Professors, one in particular seemed to make it his life's purpose to say bad things about religion/bible etc. I should have known better than to get into such an off-topic quagmire. Dale -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Oh gods can we get any more off-topic *wink* [was Re: [Python-ideas] Inconsistencies]

2016-09-14 Thread Random832
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016, at 23:12, Steve D'Aprano wrote: > Yes it does. Even an infinitely large flat plane has a horizon almost > identical to the actual horizon. Your link actually doesn't support the latter claim, it goes into some detail on why it wouldn't if it were infinitely large due to gravi

Re: Oh gods can we get any more off-topic *wink* [was Re: [Python-ideas] Inconsistencies]

2016-09-14 Thread Steve D'Aprano
On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 11:44 am, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 1:26:49 PM UTC+12, Chris Kaynor wrote: >> If you find somebody determined to not trust evidence such as the blue >> marble photos, it can be quite hard to prove that the world is not flat. > > A flat wor

Re: Oh gods can we get any more off-topic *wink* [was Re: [Python-ideas] Inconsistencies]

2016-09-14 Thread Lawrence D’Oliveiro
On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 1:26:49 PM UTC+12, Chris Kaynor wrote: > If you find somebody determined to not trust evidence such as the blue > marble photos, it can be quite hard to prove that the world is not flat. A flat world doesn’t have a horizon. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/lis

Re: Oh gods can we get any more off-topic *wink* [was Re: [Python-ideas] Inconsistencies]

2016-09-14 Thread Chris Kaynor
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 1:19 PM, wrote: > It is so blantantly obvious that the world is not flat I find this > discussion flabbergasting. Anybody who has tried to take any form of > vehicle up, or probably more dangerously down, any form of hill knows > that. As for the raving lunatics who make

Re: Oh gods can we get any more off-topic *wink* [was Re: [Python-ideas] Inconsistencies]

2016-09-14 Thread Steve D'Aprano
On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 06:19 am, breamore...@gmail.com wrote: > It is so blantantly obvious that the world is not flat I find this > discussion flabbergasting. You wouldn't say that if you lived in Kanvas, or the west coast of Ireland. I'm told that a few years ago somebody accidentally dumped a tr

Re: Oh gods can we get any more off-topic *wink* [was Re: [Python-ideas] Inconsistencies]

2016-09-14 Thread Steve D'Aprano
On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 03:43 am, Dale Marvin wrote: > On 9/14/16 12:20 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> On Wednesday 14 September 2016 16:54, Rustom Mody wrote: >> >>> everything we know will be negated in 5-50-500 years >> >> I'm pretty sure that in 5, 50, 500 or even 5000 years, the sun will still >>

Re: Oh gods can we get any more off-topic *wink* [was Re: [Python-ideas] Inconsistencies]

2016-09-14 Thread breamoreboy
On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 9:00:04 PM UTC+1, MRAB wrote: > On 2016-09-14 18:43, Dale Marvin via Python-list wrote: > > On 9/14/16 12:20 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > >> On Wednesday 14 September 2016 16:54, Rustom Mody wrote: > >> > >>> everything we know will be negated in 5-50-500 years >

Re: Oh gods can we get any more off-topic *wink* [was Re: [Python-ideas] Inconsistencies]

2016-09-14 Thread MRAB
On 2016-09-14 18:43, Dale Marvin via Python-list wrote: On 9/14/16 12:20 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Wednesday 14 September 2016 16:54, Rustom Mody wrote: everything we know will be negated in 5-50-500 years I'm pretty sure that in 5, 50, 500 or even 5000 years, the sun will still rise in

Re: Oh gods can we get any more off-topic *wink* [was Re: [Python-ideas] Inconsistencies]

2016-09-14 Thread Dale Marvin via Python-list
On 9/14/16 12:20 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Wednesday 14 September 2016 16:54, Rustom Mody wrote: everything we know will be negated in 5-50-500 years I'm pretty sure that in 5, 50, 500 or even 5000 years, the sun will still rise in the east, water will be wet, fire will burn, dogs will ha

Re: Oh gods can we get any more off-topic *wink* [was Re: [Python-ideas] Inconsistencies]

2016-09-14 Thread Lawrence D’Oliveiro
On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 6:54:39 PM UTC+12, Rustom Mody wrote: > Yet we remain cocksure of our assumtions inspite of the repeated data > that everything we know will be negated in 5-50-500 years Let’s see, 500 years ago, people knew * That the world is round, and how to measure its radi

Re: Oh gods can we get any more off-topic *wink* [was Re: [Python-ideas] Inconsistencies]

2016-09-14 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wednesday 14 September 2016 16:54, Rustom Mody wrote: > everything we know will be negated in 5-50-500 years I'm pretty sure that in 5, 50, 500 or even 5000 years, the sun will still rise in the east, water will be wet, fire will burn, dogs will have mammary glands and frogs[1] won't, and t

Re: Oh gods can we get any more off-topic *wink* [was Re: [Python-ideas] Inconsistencies]

2016-09-13 Thread Rustom Mody
On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 10:52:48 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > (Unlike *our* divine revelation, which is clearly the truth, the whole truth, > and nothing but the truth, *their* divine revolution is illusion, error and > lies. All of the gods are myth and superstition, except

Oh gods can we get any more off-topic *wink* [was Re: [Python-ideas] Inconsistencies]

2016-09-13 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Monday 12 September 2016 12:26, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro > wrote: >> On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 1:11:39 PM UTC+12, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> I have some _extremely_ strong views about absolutes (they come from the >>> Creator of the Un

Re: functools.partial [was Re: and on - topic and and off topic]

2016-07-29 Thread Matt Wheeler
On Fri, 29 Jul 2016, 09:20 Steven D'Aprano, wrote: > I'm not sure that partial is intended as an optimization. It may end up > saving time by avoiding evaluating arguments, but that's not why it exists. > It exists to enable the functional programming idiom of partial evaluation > in a simpler, m

functools.partial [was Re: and on - topic and and off topic]

2016-07-28 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 12:23 am, Sivan Greenberg wrote: > 1. When is the use of functools.partial beneficial? When can it be a > hindrance? Perhaps it can save on func argument evaluation time when > creating many invocations for asycn exec? I'm not sure that partial is intended as an optimization.

Re: and on - topic and and off topic

2016-07-28 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 12:23 am, Sivan Greenberg wrote: > Hi All, > > First apologies for the rather off topic but I grep'd over the existing > mailing lists and couldn't find one that's suitable, at least judging by > the titles. Too many UNRELATED questions!

and on - topic and and off topic

2016-07-28 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi All, First apologies for the rather off topic but I grep'd over the existing mailing lists and couldn't find one that's suitable, at least judging by the titles. My inquiry is both technical and social, first for the technical stuff: 1. When is the use of functools.partial b

Re: [Still off-topic] Physics

2016-03-05 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 09:19 pm, Oscar Benjamin wrote: >> As far as the reaction of matter and anti-matter, we've known for about a >> century that mass and energy are related and freely convertible from one >> to the other. That's the famous equation by Einstein: E = m*c**2. Even >> tiny amounts of e

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-03-04 Thread alister
On Thu, 03 Mar 2016 18:02:04 -0500, William Ray Wing wrote: >> On Mar 3, 2016, at 3:20 PM, alister wrote: >> >> On Thu, 03 Mar 2016 11:03:55 -0700, Ian Kelly wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 10:21 AM, alister >>> wrote: On Thu, 03 Mar 2016 13:35:12 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: > 1

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-03-03 Thread Marko Rauhamaa
Gregory Ewing : > Mass on its own is not a conserved quantity. The thing that's > conserved is total energy. Similarly, momentum is conserved. Whether mass is conserved or not depends on the chosen terminology. > As far as I know, there are no negative masses anywhere in any of our > current th

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-03-03 Thread Gregory Ewing
alister wrote: On Thu, 03 Mar 2016 11:03:55 -0700, Ian Kelly wrote: On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 10:21 AM, alister wrote: Antimatter has positive mass. Are you sure? mix 1 atom of hydrogen + 1 of anti hydrogen & you end up with 0 mass That's not because anti-hydrogen has negative mass, though.

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-03-03 Thread William Ray Wing
> On Mar 3, 2016, at 3:20 PM, alister wrote: > > On Thu, 03 Mar 2016 11:03:55 -0700, Ian Kelly wrote: > >> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 10:21 AM, alister >> wrote: >>> On Thu, 03 Mar 2016 13:35:12 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: 1) No physical object can have negative mass. 2) I am a part of

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-03-03 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 1:20 PM, alister wrote: > On Thu, 03 Mar 2016 11:03:55 -0700, Ian Kelly wrote: > >> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 10:21 AM, alister >> wrote: >>> On Thu, 03 Mar 2016 13:35:12 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: 1) No physical object can have negative mass. 2) I am a part of the

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-03-03 Thread alister
On Thu, 03 Mar 2016 11:03:55 -0700, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 10:21 AM, alister > wrote: >> On Thu, 03 Mar 2016 13:35:12 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> 1) No physical object can have negative mass. >>> 2) I am a part of the universe and have positive mass. >>> 3) I am not Kennet

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-03-03 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 10:21 AM, alister wrote: > On Thu, 03 Mar 2016 13:35:12 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: >> 1) No physical object can have negative mass. >> 2) I am a part of the universe and have positive mass. >> 3) I am not Kenneth. >> 4) The sum of my mass and Kenneth's mass must exceed Ken

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-03-03 Thread alister
On Thu, 03 Mar 2016 13:35:12 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Steven D'Aprano > wrote: >> We can be absolutely certain that Kenneth weighs less than the entire >> universe. We don't even need a set of scales. > > Formal proof: > > 1) No physical object can have neg

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-03-03 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 03/03/2016 03:57, Rustom Mody wrote: On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 7:59:13 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 04:02 am, Rustom Mody wrote: And how is [1]'s starting different from Kenneth's finding his weight to be the weight of the universe? Is that a trick question?

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-03-03 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 02:57 pm, Rustom Mody wrote: > William Blake starts Auguries of Innocence with: > > To see a world in a grain of sand, > And a heaven in a wild flower, > Hold infinity in the palm of your hand, > And eternity in an hour. > > Reading the whole at http://www.artofeurope.com/bla

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-03-02 Thread Anders Wegge Keller
On Mon, 29 Feb 2016 23:29:43 + Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 29/02/2016 22:40, Larry Martell wrote: >> I think for the most part, the mental health industry is most >> interested in pushing drugs and forcing people into some status quo. > I am disgusted by your comments. I'll keep my original

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-03-02 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mar 2, 2016 9:01 PM, "Rustom Mody" wrote: > > On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 7:59:13 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 04:02 am, Rustom Mody wrote: > > > > > And how is [1]'s starting different from Kenneth's finding his weight > > > to be the weight of the universe? > >

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-03-02 Thread Rustom Mody
On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 7:59:13 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 04:02 am, Rustom Mody wrote: > > > And how is [1]'s starting different from Kenneth's finding his weight > > to be the weight of the universe? > > Is that a trick question? > > "How is a raven like a

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-03-02 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > We can be absolutely certain that Kenneth weighs less than the entire > universe. We don't even need a set of scales. Formal proof: 1) No physical object can have negative mass. 2) I am a part of the universe and have positive mass. 3) I a

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-03-02 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 04:02 am, Rustom Mody wrote: > And how is [1]'s starting different from Kenneth's finding his weight > to be the weight of the universe? Is that a trick question? "How is a raven like a writing desk?" "Neither of them are made of cheese cake." We can be absolutely certain t

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-03-02 Thread Rustom Mody
On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 10:36:02 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Tue, 1 Mar 2016 04:08 am, Rustom Mody wrote: > > > And who is the last arbiter on that 'reality'? > > I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that this is a genuine question, and > not just an attempt to ask a rhetorica

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-03-01 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Tue, 1 Mar 2016 04:08 am, Rustom Mody wrote: > And who is the last arbiter on that 'reality'? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that this is a genuine question, and not just an attempt to ask a rhetorical question to demonstrate your profundity. You should not assume that there is any su

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-03-01 Thread Sven R. Kunze
On 01.03.2016 13:13, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Tue, 1 Mar 2016 09:38 am, Larry Martell wrote: But what is reality? Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. Just like that. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-03-01 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Tue, 1 Mar 2016 09:38 am, Larry Martell wrote: > But what is reality? Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -- Steven -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-02-29 Thread Mario R. Osorio
On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 4:39:12 AM UTC-5, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > The author of Requests, Kenneth Reitz, discusses his recent recovery from a > MentalHealthError exception. > > http://www.kennethreitz.org/essays/mentalhealtherror-an-exception-occurred > > Although the connection to Pyt

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-02-29 Thread Ethan Furman
On 02/29/2016 04:35 PM, Paul Rubin wrote: The story reminded me of "A Beautiful Mind" by Sylvia Nasar, about mathematician John Nash who suffered from mental illness in the 1970s-80's(?) but later recovered and won the Nobel Prize in economics. The book is excellent and I recommend it if you fin

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-02-29 Thread Paul Rubin
Ben Finney writes: >> "All that he had learned" meaning his delusions and psychoses? > Indeed. If a revelation is unconnected to reality, it's misleading to > say that one has “learned” it > When someone describes the ill effects their mental illness produced, I > find it rather condescending

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-02-29 Thread Joel Goldstick
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:29 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 29/02/2016 22:40, Larry Martell wrote: > >> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Ben Finney >> wrote: >> >>> Rustom Mody writes: >>> >>> On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 10:26:32 PM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: > Ian Kelly writes:

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-02-29 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 29/02/2016 22:40, Larry Martell wrote: On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Ben Finney wrote: Rustom Mody writes: On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 10:26:32 PM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: Ian Kelly writes: On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Larry Martell wrote: I found this to be a very sa

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-02-29 Thread Larry Martell
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > Rustom Mody writes: > >> On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 10:26:32 PM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: >> > Ian Kelly writes: >> > >> > > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Larry Martell wrote: >> > > > I found this to be a very sad story. Sure, he

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-02-29 Thread Larry Martell
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 11:56 AM, Ben Finney wrote: > Ian Kelly writes: > >> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Larry Martell >> wrote: >> > I found this to be a very sad story. Sure, he had some issues, but I >> > don't think they needed to drug him, and take all that he had >> > learned away fr

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-02-29 Thread Larry Martell
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Larry Martell > wrote: >> On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 4:37 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >>> The author of Requests, Kenneth Reitz, discusses his recent recovery from a >>> MentalHealthError exception. >>> >>> http:/

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-02-29 Thread Rustom Mody
On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 11:04:20 PM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: > Rustom Mody writes: > > > On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 10:26:32 PM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: > > > Ian Kelly writes: > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Larry Martell wrote: > > > > > I found this to be a

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-02-29 Thread Ben Finney
Rustom Mody writes: > On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 10:26:32 PM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: > > Ian Kelly writes: > > > > > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Larry Martell wrote: > > > > I found this to be a very sad story. Sure, he had some issues, but I > > > > don't think they needed to dr

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-02-29 Thread Rustom Mody
On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 10:26:32 PM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: > Ian Kelly writes: > > > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Larry Martell wrote: > > > I found this to be a very sad story. Sure, he had some issues, but I > > > don't think they needed to drug him, and take all that he had >

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-02-29 Thread Ben Finney
Ian Kelly writes: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Larry Martell > wrote: > > I found this to be a very sad story. Sure, he had some issues, but I > > don't think they needed to drug him, and take all that he had > > learned away from him and turn him back into what he was before. > > "All th

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-02-29 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Larry Martell wrote: > On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 4:37 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> The author of Requests, Kenneth Reitz, discusses his recent recovery from a >> MentalHealthError exception. >> >> http://www.kennethreitz.org/essays/mentalhealtherror-an-exception-oc

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-02-29 Thread Larry Martell
On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 4:37 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > The author of Requests, Kenneth Reitz, discusses his recent recovery from a > MentalHealthError exception. > > http://www.kennethreitz.org/essays/mentalhealtherror-an-exception-occurred > > Although the connection to Python is only quite sl

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-02-27 Thread Jason Friedman
Yes, thank you for sharing. Stories from people we know, or know of, leads to normalization: mental illness is a routine illness like Type I diabetes or appendicitis. On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 2:37 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > The author of Requests, Kenneth Reitz, discusses his recent recovery fr

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-02-27 Thread Ethan Furman
On 02/27/2016 01:37 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Although the connection to Python is only quite slim, I found it fascinating to read. Thanks to you and Kenneth for sharing that. -- ~Ethan~ -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-02-27 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 27/02/2016 09:37, Steven D'Aprano wrote: The author of Requests, Kenneth Reitz, discusses his recent recovery from a MentalHealthError exception. http://www.kennethreitz.org/essays/mentalhealtherror-an-exception-occurred Although the connection to Python is only quite slim, I found it fascin

[Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception

2016-02-27 Thread Steven D'Aprano
The author of Requests, Kenneth Reitz, discusses his recent recovery from a MentalHealthError exception. http://www.kennethreitz.org/essays/mentalhealtherror-an-exception-occurred Although the connection to Python is only quite slim, I found it fascinating to read. -- Steven -- https://mail

{off topic] Re: Bug in Python?

2016-02-27 Thread Terry Reedy
hur has be working on and promoting on his 'AI Mind' project for at least a decade, probably more. AFAIK, it has been a few years since his last off-topic response like this. Arthur, please promote you once-Forth, now Perl project elsewhere. Everyone else, please don't respond furt

Re: OFF-TOPIC Ben's sig monster quote [was Re: Parametrized Unit Tests]

2015-08-29 Thread Rustom Mody
On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 11:56:53 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Completely off-topic. Stop reading now if you only want to read things about > Python. > > > On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 09:46 am, Ben Finney wrote: > > > \        “Of course, everybody says they

Re: OFF-TOPIC Ben's sig monster quote [was Re: Parametrized Unit Tests]

2015-08-28 Thread John T. Haggerty
esn't mean it's not going to happen ever. On Fri, Aug 28, 2015, 01:05 Nick Sarbicki wrote: > Well who would we fight if we were all friends with each other? > > On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 07:31 Steven D'Aprano wrote: > >> Completely off-topic. Stop reading now if you

Re: OFF-TOPIC Ben's sig monster quote [was Re: Parametrized Unit Tests]

2015-08-28 Thread Michael Torrie
On 08/28/2015 01:27 AM, Ben Finney wrote: > -- > \ “Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of | > `\men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good | > _o__) of everyone.” —John Maynard Keynes | Now that is an interestin

Re: OFF-TOPIC Ben's sig monster quote [was Re: Parametrized Unit Tests]

2015-08-28 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 12:02 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 04:35 pm, Nick Sarbicki wrote: > >> Well who would we fight if we were all friends with each other? > > According to the Nac Mac Feegle, there's always *someone* to fight. If not > an enemy, there's always your friends,

Re: OFF-TOPIC Ben's sig monster quote [was Re: Parametrized Unit Tests]

2015-08-28 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 04:35 pm, Nick Sarbicki wrote: > Well who would we fight if we were all friends with each other? According to the Nac Mac Feegle, there's always *someone* to fight. If not an enemy, there's always your friends, family, inanimate objects, and if all else fails, yourself. "Criv

Re: OFF-TOPIC Ben's sig monster quote [was Re: Parametrized Unit Tests]

2015-08-28 Thread jmp
On 08/28/2015 11:24 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: Would you rather be an powerful, armed war hero admired and feared by your nation or a foresaken unemployed drunkard who rots in jail? Marko Time to quote the most famous general in the galaxy: “Ohhh. Great warrior.Wars not make one great.” ;) J

Re: OFF-TOPIC Ben's sig monster quote [was Re: Parametrized Unit Tests]

2015-08-28 Thread Marko Rauhamaa
Ben Finney : > Steven D'Aprano writes: >> Many people over the ages have thought that if only war was more >> terrible, we would stop making it. Alas, that appears to be false: no >> matter how terrible war is, there is always someone who thinks that >> it is better than peace. > > Those who bene

Re: OFF-TOPIC Ben's sig monster quote [was Re: Parametrized Unit Tests]

2015-08-28 Thread Ben Finney
Steven D'Aprano writes: > With the greatest of respect to Chomsky, I think he is simply wrong > about Hitler. Hitler actually believed that war was good for the > national character, and indeed good for the soul, and that long > periods of peace would enfeeble a nation and make it decadent and >

Re: OFF-TOPIC Ben's sig monster quote [was Re: Parametrized Unit Tests]

2015-08-28 Thread Martin Skjöldebrand
On Fri, 2015-08-28 at 06:35 +, Nick Sarbicki wrote: > Well who would we fight if we were all friends with each other? That's what Paintball is for. /Martin S -- This address is for technical mail lists only.For all other matters, please use my main addressat the .org domain. -- https://mai

Re: OFF-TOPIC Ben's sig monster quote [was Re: Parametrized Unit Tests]

2015-08-28 Thread Nick Sarbicki
Well who would we fight if we were all friends with each other? On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 07:31 Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Completely off-topic. Stop reading now if you only want to read things > about > Python. > > > On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 09:46 am, Ben Finney wrote: > > >

OFF-TOPIC Ben's sig monster quote [was Re: Parametrized Unit Tests]

2015-08-27 Thread Steven D'Aprano
Completely off-topic. Stop reading now if you only want to read things about Python. On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 09:46 am, Ben Finney wrote: > \        “Of course, everybody says they're for peace. Hitler was for | > `\      peace. Everybody is for peace. The question is: what kind

Re: [Back off topic] - Hooking Mechanism when Entering and Leaving a Try Block

2015-08-14 Thread Sven R . Kunze
Am 14-Aug-2015 03:00:05 +0200 schrieb torr...@gmail.com: > But I digress. We get sidetracked rather easily around here. You don't say. ;) - FreeMail powered by mail.de - MEHR SICHERHEIT, SERIOSITÄT UN

[Back off topic] - Re: Hooking Mechanism when Entering and Leaving a Try Block

2015-08-13 Thread Michael Torrie
However, if that only works due to importing it is not a solution. I >> need to make sure I catch all try: blocks, the current stack is in >> (and is about to step into). >> >> Ah yes, and it should work with Python 3 as well. > > Back to topic, please. :) But we

Off-topic: Europe [was Re: Noob in Python. Problem with fairly simple test case]

2015-07-19 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 03:25 am, Rick Johnson wrote: > On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 4:18:31 AM UTC-5, Laura Creighton wrote: >> And, despite Norway not being part of the EU, Scandinavia >> is still in Europe. > > This is a bit off topic: But i don't consider Scandinavi

Re: OFF TOPIC Snow Crash [was Re: Hello World]

2014-12-26 Thread alister
On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 15:13:25 +1100, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Deep in the brain, well underneath the level of modern languages and > consciousness, there is a deeper "machine language" of the brain. If you > can write instructions in this machine language, you can control > people's brains. Back

Re: OFF TOPIC Snow Crash [was Re: Hello World]

2014-12-25 Thread Steven D'Aprano
alex23 wrote: > On 24/12/2014 2:20 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: >> And even _with_ all the technical jibber-jabber, none of it explained >> or justified the whole "writing a virus to infect the brain through >> the optic nerve" thing which might just have well been magick and >> witches. > > While I

Re: OFF TOPIC Snow Crash [was Re: Hello World]

2014-12-25 Thread alex23
On 24/12/2014 9:50 PM, alister wrote: what feels like 3 or 4 chapters in & it is still trying to set the scene, an exercise in stylish writing with very little content so far. even early scifi written for magazines on a per word basis were not this excessive (because if they were they would proba

Re: OFF TOPIC Snow Crash [was Re: Hello World]

2014-12-25 Thread alex23
On 24/12/2014 2:20 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: And even _with_ all the technical jibber-jabber, none of it explained or justified the whole "writing a virus to infect the brain through the optic nerve" thing which might just have well been magick and witches. While I love SNOW CRASH, I do think it

Re: OFF TOPIC Snow Crash [was Re: Hello World]

2014-12-24 Thread alister
On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 16:20:10 +, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2014-12-23, Steven D'Aprano > wrote: >> Chris Angelico wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 12:15 AM, Roy Smith wrote: If I really didn't trust something, I'd go to AWS and spin up one of their free-tier micro instances and

Re: OFF TOPIC Snow Crash [was Re: Hello World]

2014-12-23 Thread Steven D'Aprano
Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2014-12-23, Steven D'Aprano > wrote: >> Chris Angelico wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 12:15 AM, Roy Smith wrote: If I really didn't trust something, I'd go to AWS and spin up one of their free-tier micro instances and run it there :-) >>> >>> How do yo

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