On 12/7/13 11:27 AM, rusi wrote:
On Saturday, December 7, 2013 3:46:02 PM UTC+5:30, wxjm...@gmail.com wrote:
Rusi:
"unicode as a medium is universal in the same way that
ASCII used to be"
Probably, you do not realize deeply how this sentence
is correct. Unicode and ascii are constructed in
On Saturday, December 7, 2013 3:46:02 PM UTC+5:30, wxjm...@gmail.com wrote:
> Rusi:
> "unicode as a medium is universal in the same way that
> ASCII used to be"
> Probably, you do not realize deeply how this sentence
> is correct. Unicode and ascii are constructed in the
> same way. It has not ev
On 07/12/2013 16:08, Roy Smith wrote:
In article <31f1bb84-1432-446c-a7d4-79ce16f2a...@googlegroups.com>,
wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote:
It is on this level the FSR fails.
What is "FSR"? I apologize if this was explained earlier in the thread
and I can't find the reference.
It's the Flexible
On 2013-12-07 11:08, Roy Smith wrote:
> In article <31f1bb84-1432-446c-a7d4-79ce16f2a...@googlegroups.com>,
> wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > It is on this level the FSR fails.
>
> What is "FSR"? I apologize if this was explained earlier in the
> thread and I can't find the reference.
Flexibl
In article <31f1bb84-1432-446c-a7d4-79ce16f2a...@googlegroups.com>,
wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote:
> It is on this level the FSR fails.
What is "FSR"? I apologize if this was explained earlier in the thread
and I can't find the reference.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FSR#Science_and_technology w
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 10:25 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 02:16:02 -0800, wxjmfauth wrote:
>
>> Rusi:
>>
>> "unicode as a medium is universal in the same way that ASCII used to be"
>>
>> Probably, you do not realize deeply how this sentence is correct.
>> Unicode and ascii are
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 02:16:02 -0800, wxjmfauth wrote:
> Rusi:
>
> "unicode as a medium is universal in the same way that ASCII used to be"
>
> Probably, you do not realize deeply how this sentence is correct.
> Unicode and ascii are constructed in the same way. It has not even to do
> with "chara
Rusi:
"unicode as a medium is universal in the same way that
ASCII used to be"
Probably, you do not realize deeply how this sentence
is correct. Unicode and ascii are constructed in the
same way. It has not even to do with "characters", but
with mathematics.
It is on this level the FSR fails. It
On Saturday, December 7, 2013 7:54:50 AM UTC+5:30, Ned Batchelder wrote:
> On 12/6/13 8:03 AM, rusi wrote:
> > Leaving aside whose fault this is (very likely buggy google groups),
> > this mojibaking cannot happen if the assumption "All text is ASCII"
> > were to uniformly hold.
> > Of course with
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 2:16 PM, rusi wrote:
> On Saturday, December 7, 2013 8:11:45 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 1:33 PM, rusi wrote:
>> > That seems to suggest that something is not right with the python
>> > mailing list config. No??
>
>> If in doubt, blame someo
In article <52a290ed$0$30003$c3e8da3$54964...@news.astraweb.com>,
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> In contrast, that is not the case with nearly all web forums. By
> deliberate design, or mere ignorance and neglect, they mix up the message
> you care about ("Hi Bob...") and the stuff you need to get t
On Saturday, December 7, 2013 8:11:45 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 1:33 PM, rusi wrote:
> > That seems to suggest that something is not right with the python
> > mailing list config. No??
> If in doubt, blame someone else, eh?
> I'd first check what your browser's
On 07/12/2013 02:41, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 1:33 PM, rusi wrote:
That seems to suggest that something is not right with the python
mailing list config. No??
If in doubt, blame someone else, eh?
I'd first check what your browser's actually sending. Firebug will
help ther
On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 23:13:54 -0800, rusi wrote:
> On Thursday, December 5, 2013 6:28:54 AM UTC+5:30, Roy Smith wrote:
>> The real problem with web forums is they conflate transport and
>> presentation into a single opaque blob, and are pretty much universally
>> designed to be a closed system. M
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 1:33 PM, rusi wrote:
> That seems to suggest that something is not right with the python
> mailing list config. No??
If in doubt, blame someone else, eh?
I'd first check what your browser's actually sending. Firebug will
help there. See if your form fill-out is encoded as
On Saturday, December 7, 2013 12:30:18 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 05:03:57 -0800, rusi wrote:
> > Evidently (and completely inadvertently) this exchange has just
> > illustrated one of the inadmissable assumptions:
> > "unicode as a medium is universal in the same wa
On 12/6/13 8:03 AM, rusi wrote:
I think you're off on the wrong track here. This has nothing to do with
>plain text (ascii or otherwise). It has to do with divorcing how you
>store and transport messages (be they plain text, HTML, or whatever)
>from how a user interacts with them.
Evidently (
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 6:00 AM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> - character 33 was permitted to be either the exclamation
> mark ! or the logical OR symbol |
>
> - consequently character 124 (vertical bar) was always
> displayed as a broken bar ¦, which explains why even today
>
rusi wrote:
On Friday, December 6, 2013 1:06:30 PM UTC+5:30, Roy Smith wrote:
Which means, if I wanted to (and many examples of this exist), I can
write my own client which presents the same information in different
ways.
Not sure whats your point.
The point is the existence of an alternat
Steven D'Aprano pearwood.info> writes:
> Yes, it appears that MT-NewsWatcher is *deeply, deeply* confused about
> encodings and character sets. It doesn't just assume things are ASCII,
> but makes a half-hearted attempt to be charset-aware, but badly. I can
> only imagine that it was written b
On Friday 06 December 2013 14:30:06 Steven D'Aprano did opine:
> On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 05:03:57 -0800, rusi wrote:
> > Evidently (and completely inadvertently) this exchange has just
> > illustrated one of the inadmissable assumptions:
> >
> > "unicode as a medium is universal in the same way that
On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 05:03:57 -0800, rusi wrote:
> Evidently (and completely inadvertently) this exchange has just
> illustrated one of the inadmissable assumptions:
>
> "unicode as a medium is universal in the same way that ASCII used to be"
Ironically, your post was not Unicode.
Seriously. I a
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 1:11 AM, rusi wrote:
> Aha! There you are! Its 'page editor' here and not the html which
> 'display source' (control-u) which a browser would show. And wikimedia
> is the software that mediates.
>
> The usual direction (seen by users of wikipedia) is that wikimedia
> takes t
On Friday, December 6, 2013 7:18:19 PM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 12:32 AM, rusi wrote:
> > I guess we are using 'structured' in different ways. All I am saying
> > is that mediawiki which seems to present as html, actually stores its
> > stuff as SQL -- nothing more
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 12:32 AM, rusi wrote:
> I guess we are using 'structured' in different ways. All I am saying
> is that mediawiki which seems to present as html, actually stores its
> stuff as SQL -- nothing more or less structured than the schemas here:
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manu
On Friday, December 6, 2013 6:49:04 PM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 12:03 AM, rusi wrote:
> > SQL databases (assuming thats the mediawiki backend) is another -- ok for
> > data-structuring bad for presentation.
> No, SQL databases don't store structured text. MediaWiki
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 12:03 AM, rusi wrote:
> SQL databases (assuming thats the mediawiki backend) is another -- ok for
> data-structuring bad for presentation.
No, SQL databases don't store structured text. MediaWiki just stores a
single blob (not in the database sense of that word) of text.
C
On Friday, December 6, 2013 1:06:30 PM UTC+5:30, Roy Smith wrote:
> Rusi wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 5, 2013 6:28:54 AM UTC+5:30, Roy Smith wrote:
> > > The real problem with web forums is they conflate transport and
> > > presentation into a single opaque blob, and are pretty much univer
On Thursday, December 5, 2013 4:17:11 AM UTC+5:30, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> On 03Dec2013 17:39, rusi wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 6:10:05 AM UTC+5:30, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> > > My first act on joining any mailing list is to download the entire
> > > archive into my local mail store.
In article <51007240-6bc9-4f0b-9937-4883bcc0c...@googlegroups.com>,
rusi wrote:
> On Thursday, December 5, 2013 6:28:54 AM UTC+5:30, Roy Smith wrote:
> > The real problem with web forums is they conflate transport and
> > presentation into a single opaque blob, and are pretty much universally
On Thursday, December 5, 2013 6:28:54 AM UTC+5:30, Roy Smith wrote:
> Rich Kulawiec wrote:
> > Yes, I'm
> > aware of web forums: I've used hundreds of them. They suck. They ALL
> > suck, they just all suck differently. I could spend the next several
> > thousand lines explaining why, but inste
In article ,
Rich Kulawiec wrote:
> Yes, I'm
> aware of web forums: I've used hundreds of them. They suck. They ALL
> suck, they just all suck differently. I could spend the next several
> thousand lines explaining why, but instead I'll just abbreviate: they
> don't handle threading, they don
On 03Dec2013 17:39, rusi wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 6:10:05 AM UTC+5:30, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> > My first act on joining any mailing list is to download the entire
> > archive into my local mail store. I have a script for this, for
> > mailman at least.
>
> and you happen to own >
On 04/12/2013 16:21, Ned Batchelder wrote:
On 12/4/13 11:07 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 04/12/2013 15:50, Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2013-12-04, Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 30Nov2013 14:25, pec...@pascolo.net wrote:
Dennis Lee Bieber writes:
[NNTP] clients provide full-fledged editors
and
On Dec 4, 2013, at 6:52 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
> Yes, I'm
> aware of web forums: I've used hundreds of them. They suck. They ALL
> suck, they just all suck differently. I could spend the next several
> thousand lines explaining why, but instead I'll just abbreviate: they
> don't handle thre
On 12/4/13 11:07 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 04/12/2013 15:50, Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2013-12-04, Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 30Nov2013 14:25, pec...@pascolo.net wrote:
Dennis Lee Bieber writes:
[NNTP] clients provide full-fledged editors
and conversely full-fledged editors provide
On 04/12/2013 15:50, Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2013-12-04, Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 30Nov2013 14:25, pec...@pascolo.net wrote:
Dennis Lee Bieber writes:
[NNTP] clients provide full-fledged editors
and conversely full-fledged editors provide
NNTP clients
GNU Emacs is a LISP oper
On 2013-12-04, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> On 30Nov2013 14:25, pec...@pascolo.net wrote:
>> Dennis Lee Bieber writes:
>> > [NNTP] clients provide full-fledged editors
>>and conversely full-fledged editors provide
>>NNTP clients
>
> GNU Emacs is a LISP operating system disguised as a word
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:52 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
> Mailing lists/Usenet newsgroups remain, as they've been for a very
> long time, the solutions of choice for online discussions. Yes, I'm
> aware of web forums: I've used hundreds of them. They suck. They ALL
> suck, they just all suck diffe
On 04/12/2013 14:34, Neil Cerutti wrote:
On 2013-12-04, alex23 wrote:
On 3/12/2013 5:13 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
You poor fools you, this is what happens when you give control
of the tools you use to a (near) monopolist whose incentives
are not your incentives.
To paraphrase Franklin: thos
(comments from a lurker on python-list)
- Google "groups" is a disaster. It's extremely poorly-run, and is in
fact a disservice to Usenet -- which is alive and well, tyvm, and still used
by many of the most senior and experienced people on the Internet. (While
some newsgroups are languishing an
On 2013-12-04, alex23 wrote:
> On 3/12/2013 5:13 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> You poor fools you, this is what happens when you give control
>> of the tools you use to a (near) monopolist whose incentives
>> are not your incentives.
>
> To paraphrase Franklin: those who would give up control to
>
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 12:39 PM, rusi wrote:
> The unfortunate and inexorable conclusion is that when the
> (wo)man <-> computer relation goes from 1-1 to 1-many, data and
> functionality will move away from 'own-machine' to the cloud.
>
> Will the data be subject to privacy-abuse and worse? Sure
On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 6:10:05 AM UTC+5:30, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> > Dennis Lee Bieber writes:
> > > [NNTP] clients provide full-fledged editors
> >and conversely full-fledged editors provide
> >NNTP clients
> GNU Emacs is a LISP operating system disguised as a word processor.
On 30Nov2013 14:25, pec...@pascolo.net wrote:
> Dennis Lee Bieber writes:
> > [NNTP] clients provide full-fledged editors
>and conversely full-fledged editors provide
>NNTP clients
GNU Emacs is a LISP operating system disguised as a word processor.
- Doug Mohney, in comp.arch
On 28Nov2013 19:46, Arif Khokar wrote:
> The problem with just using email is that it's a bit more difficult
> to browse archived posts to this group. After I subscribed to this
> group (comp.lang.python) using my news client, I could immediately
> browse posts made as far back as April.
I vastl
On 3/12/2013 5:13 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
You poor fools you, this is what happens when you give control of the
tools you use to a (near) monopolist whose incentives are not your
incentives.
To paraphrase Franklin: those who would give up control to purchase
convenience deserve neither. A l
On 03/12/2013 01:17, Michael Torrie wrote:
And the list goes on.
The love of money...
--
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
what you can do for our language.
Mark Lawrence
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https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Grant Edwards wrote:
> That said, I'm still pretty happy with Gmail (I use it mostly via
> mutt/IMAP rather than the WebUI), and it sure beats the e-mail service
> I paid for in the past [it's certainly _way_ better than the Outlook
> server they run at work]. The
On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 16:30:05 +1000, alex23 wrote:
> On 3/12/2013 11:17 AM, Michael Torrie wrote:
>> And Gmail is also becoming less useful to me. I don't want to use
>> hangouts; xmpp and google talk worked just fine. But alas that's
>> disappearing.
>
> I really hate Hangouts. If I wanted to u
On 3/12/2013 11:17 AM, Michael Torrie wrote:
And Gmail is also becoming less useful to me. I don't want to use
hangouts; xmpp and google talk worked just fine. But alas that's
disappearing.
I really hate Hangouts. If I wanted to use Skype I would be using Skype.
I'm also still unable to unde
On 2013-12-03, Michael Torrie wrote:
> On 12/02/2013 06:03 AM, Neil Cerutti wrote:
>> I wish they'd never bought dejanews.
>
> I wish Google hadn't bought a lot of things. Seems like they bye up a
> lot of cool, nerd-centric apps and companies and then turned them into
> apps that do less and do
On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 8:39:02 AM UTC+5:30, Michael Torrie wrote:
> On 12/02/2013 06:43 PM, Roy Smith wrote:
> > And this is surprising, why?
>
> Well back when Google was a young hip company they billed themselves as
> a bunch of nerds making stuff for nerds. But yes we should have seen
> t
On 12/02/2013 06:43 PM, Roy Smith wrote:
> In article ,
> Michael Torrie wrote:
>
>> I wish Google hadn't bought a lot of things. Seems like they bye up a
>> lot of cool, nerd-centric apps and companies and then turned them into
>> apps that do less and do it poorly, but in a slick way that app
On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 7:13:03 AM UTC+5:30, Roy Smith wrote:
> Michael Torrie wrote:
> > I wish Google hadn't bought a lot of things. Seems like they bye up a
> > lot of cool, nerd-centric apps and companies and then turned them into
> > apps that do less and do it poorly, but in a slick w
In article ,
Michael Torrie wrote:
> I wish Google hadn't bought a lot of things. Seems like they bye up a
> lot of cool, nerd-centric apps and companies and then turned them into
> apps that do less and do it poorly, but in a slick way that appeals to
> the unwashed masses. And add "social" t
On 12/02/2013 06:03 AM, Neil Cerutti wrote:
> I wish they'd never bought dejanews.
I wish Google hadn't bought a lot of things. Seems like they bye up a
lot of cool, nerd-centric apps and companies and then turned them into
apps that do less and do it poorly, but in a slick way that appeals to
th
On 02/12/2013 17:54, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 4:48 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
¿As this is an international group why not ¡MEAN!? :)
¿Does punctuation nest to any level when you ask, ¿Shouldn't it be ¡MEAN!??
ChrisA
Yes.
--
Python is the second best programming language
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 4:48 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> ¿As this is an international group why not ¡MEAN!? :)
¿Does punctuation nest to any level when you ask, ¿Shouldn't it be ¡MEAN!??
ChrisA
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https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
On 02/12/2013 17:11, rusi wrote:
On Monday, December 2, 2013 7:34:33 PM UTC+5:30, Neil Cerutti wrote:
On 2013-12-02, Roy Smith wrote:
The current situation does force a lot of technology-focused
people, progammers in particular, into a low opinion of Google.
The crappy usenet portal is poor ma
On Monday, December 2, 2013 7:34:33 PM UTC+5:30, Neil Cerutti wrote:
> On 2013-12-02, Roy Smith wrote:
> >> The current situation does force a lot of technology-focused
> >> people, progammers in particular, into a low opinion of Google.
> >> The crappy usenet portal is poor marketing.
> >
> > If
On 2013-12-02, Roy Smith wrote:
> In article ,
> Neil Cerutti wrote:
>
>> On 2013-11-28, Roy Smith wrote:
>> > In article ,
>> > Alister wrote:
>> >> Perhaps the best option is for everybody to bombard Google
>> >> with bug reports (preferably typed with extra long lines &
>> >> double spaced
In article ,
Neil Cerutti wrote:
> On 2013-11-28, Roy Smith wrote:
> > In article ,
> > Alister wrote:
> >> Perhaps the best option is for everybody to bombard Google
> >> with bug reports (preferably typed with extra long lines &
> >> double spaced as that is clearly what they are used to &
On 2013-11-28, Roy Smith wrote:
> In article ,
> Alister wrote:
>> Perhaps the best option is for everybody to bombard Google
>> with bug reports (preferably typed with extra long lines &
>> double spaced as that is clearly what they are used to & we
>> would not want to upset them would we? )
>
Dennis Lee Bieber writes:
> [NNTP] clients provide full-fledged editors
and conversely full-fledged editors provide
NNTP clients
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On 2013-11-29, Arif Khokar wrote:
> On 11/28/2013 1:50 PM, Michael Torrie wrote:
>> On 11/28/2013 11:37 AM, rusi wrote:
>
>>> 2. All kinds of people hop onto the list. In addition to genuine ones there
>>> are
>>> spammers, trolls, dicks, nuts, philosophers, help-vampires etc etc.
>>
>> What
On 2013-11-28, Zero Piraeus wrote:
>:
>
> On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 08:40:47AM -0700, Michael Torrie wrote:
>> My opinion is that the Python list should dump the Usenet tie-in and
>> just go straight e-mail.
>
> +1 Hell yes.
I'd have to reluctantly agree. I've been using Usenet for 25 years,
and I
On 29/11/2013 00:46, Arif Khokar wrote:
On 11/28/2013 1:50 PM, Michael Torrie wrote:
On 11/28/2013 11:37 AM, rusi wrote:
2. All kinds of people hop onto the list. In addition to genuine ones
there are
spammers, trolls, dicks, nuts, philosophers, help-vampires etc etc.
What they have in
On 28/11/2013 16:29, Zero Piraeus wrote:
:
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 08:40:47AM -0700, Michael Torrie wrote:
My opinion is that the Python list should dump the Usenet tie-in and
just go straight e-mail.
+1 Hell yes.
I'd happily use semaphore but given time you're bound to find someone
who c
On 11/28/2013 1:50 PM, Michael Torrie wrote:
On 11/28/2013 11:37 AM, rusi wrote:
2. All kinds of people hop onto the list. In addition to genuine ones there are
spammers, trolls, dicks, nuts, philosophers, help-vampires etc etc.
What they have in common is usenet. Ditching usenet would
On 11/28/2013 1:29 PM, Michael Torrie wrote:
Seems like 90% of the problems on this list come from the unchecked
usenet side of things. Such as trolls or spam.
...
Despite many calls to banish [such] ...
with usenet it's just not possible.
The usenet gateway has been changed recently to no
On 11/28/2013 10:40 AM, Michael Torrie wrote:
On 11/28/2013 08:08 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
Which is easier, fiddling around with your setup so you can post
reasonably on Google Groups, or just getting a better client? With
your setup, you have to drop out to another editor and press F9 for it
t
:
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 08:40:47AM -0700, Michael Torrie wrote:
> My opinion is that the Python list should dump the Usenet tie-in and
> just go straight e-mail.
+1 Hell yes.
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On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 11:50:47 -0700, Michael Torrie wrote:
> On 11/28/2013 11:37 AM, rusi wrote:
>> Do you realize that that person was not using GG?
>
> I do but he was using usenet.
>
>> IOW we are unfortunately conflating two completely unrelated things:
>> 1. GG has some technical problems wh
My point was that the list problems in general seem to be related to
usenet. GG formatting, spam, trolls. I guess I should have changed the
subject line. Ditching usenet solves the GG problem and a number of
other problems as well.
>> IOW we are unfortunately conflating two completely unrelated
On 11/28/2013 11:37 AM, rusi wrote:
> Do you realize that that person was not using GG?
I do but he was using usenet.
> IOW we are unfortunately conflating two completely unrelated things:
> 1. GG has some technical problems which are fairly easy to solve
> 2. All kinds of people hop onto the lis
On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 11:00:22 -0800, rusi wrote:
> On Friday, November 29, 2013 12:07:29 AM UTC+5:30, rusi wrote:
>> On Thursday, November 28, 2013 11:59:13 PM UTC+5:30, Michael Torrie
>> wrote:
>> > On 11/28/2013 10:23 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
>> > > Funny, I thought the sentiment of many here wa
On Friday, November 29, 2013 12:07:29 AM UTC+5:30, rusi wrote:
> On Thursday, November 28, 2013 11:59:13 PM UTC+5:30, Michael Torrie wrote:
> > On 11/28/2013 10:23 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
> > > Funny, I thought the sentiment of many here was, "let's just keep this
> > > as a newsgroup, why do we
On Thursday, November 28, 2013 11:59:13 PM UTC+5:30, Michael Torrie wrote:
> On 11/28/2013 10:23 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
> > Funny, I thought the sentiment of many here was, "let's just keep this
> > as a newsgroup, why do we need the mailing list also?" but I'll admit to
> > being confused abo
On 11/28/2013 10:23 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
> Funny, I thought the sentiment of many here was, "let's just keep this
> as a newsgroup, why do we need the mailing list also?" but I'll admit to
> being confused about what people have been proposing for alternate
> topologies.
That may well be t
Here's a 1-click pure python solution.
As I said I dont know how to manage errors!
1. Put it in a file say cleangg.py and make it executable
2. Install it as the 'editor' for the "Its all text" firefox addon
3. Click the edit and you should get a cleaned out post
--
#
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 3:43 AM, Roy Smith wrote:
> The purpose of Google Groups is to generate traffic to their site, which
> it does just fine. Making it behave better with newsgroups won't change
> that, so there's no incentive for them to do so.
Which is why the solution is to tell people to
On 11/28/13 11:23 AM, Travis Griggs wrote:
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 28, 2013, at 7:40, Michael Torrie wrote:
On 11/28/2013 08:08 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
Which is easier, fiddling around with your setup so you can post
reasonably on Google Groups, or just getting a better client? With
y
In article ,
Alister wrote:
> Perhaps the best option is for everybody to bombard Google with bug
> reports (preferably typed with extra long lines & double spaced as that
> is clearly what they are used to & we would not want to upset them would
> we? )
It's pretty clear Google doesn't care
On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:22:27 -0800, rusi wrote:
> On Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:20:39 PM UTC+5:30, Alister wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 02:08:17 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:04 AM, rusi wrote:
>> >> Its really quite unclear to me why GG is a problem if all th
On Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:20:39 PM UTC+5:30, Alister wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 02:08:17 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:04 AM, rusi wrote:
> >> Its really quite unclear to me why GG is a problem if all the problems
> >> of GG are obviated.
> > Which is easier,
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> On Nov 28, 2013, at 7:40, Michael Torrie wrote:
>
>> On 11/28/2013 08:08 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> Which is easier, fiddling around with your setup so you can post
>> reasonably on Google Groups, or just getting a better client? With
>> your setup, you have to drop out
On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 02:08:17 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:04 AM, rusi wrote:
>> Its really quite unclear to me why GG is a problem if all the problems
>> of GG are obviated.
>
> Which is easier, fiddling around with your setup so you can post
> reasonably on Google Gr
On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 02:08:17 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:04 AM, rusi wrote:
>> Its really quite unclear to me why GG is a problem if all the problems
>> of GG are obviated.
>
> Which is easier, fiddling around with your setup so you can post
> reasonably on Google Gr
On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 02:08:17 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:04 AM, rusi wrote:
>> Its really quite unclear to me why GG is a problem if all the problems
>> of GG are obviated.
>
> Which is easier, fiddling around with your setup so you can post
> reasonably on Google Gr
On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 02:08:17 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:04 AM, rusi wrote:
>> Its really quite unclear to me why GG is a problem if all the problems
>> of GG are obviated.
>
> Which is easier, fiddling around with your setup so you can post
> reasonably on Google Gr
On 11/28/2013 08:08 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> Which is easier, fiddling around with your setup so you can post
> reasonably on Google Groups, or just getting a better client? With
> your setup, you have to drop out to another editor and press F9 for it
> to work. With pretty much any other newsre
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:04 AM, rusi wrote:
> Its really quite unclear to me why GG is a problem if all the problems
> of GG are obviated.
Which is easier, fiddling around with your setup so you can post
reasonably on Google Groups, or just getting a better client? With
your setup, you have to d
On Thursday, November 28, 2013 7:55:52 PM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 1:17 AM, rusi wrote:
> > The problems with GG as I understand are
> > 1. Double spacing
> > 2. Long lines
> > As far as I can see both are cured with the method outlined.
> > If its not for others an
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 1:17 AM, rusi wrote:
> The problems with GG as I understand are
> 1. Double spacing
> 2. Long lines
>
> As far as I can see both are cured with the method outlined.
> If its not for others and only for me, I'd like to know.
> That 2 is a problem was only brought to my notic
On Thursday, November 28, 2013 7:28:14 PM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 12:52 AM, rusi wrote:
> > Here's what I do to manage the GG-headaches:
> Useful tips, I am sure, but they solve the problem only for you.
> Everyone who reads python-list/c.l.p will have to impleme
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 12:52 AM, rusi wrote:
> Here's what I do to manage the GG-headaches:
Useful tips, I am sure, but they solve the problem only for you.
Everyone who reads python-list/c.l.p will have to implement equivalent
patches. Every archive of the newsgroup or mailing list suffers from
This silly google-groups does not reflect changed subject lines!!
That means that GG users who may want to read this may not see it.
So reposting as a new thread:
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Here's what I do to manage the GG-headaches:
1. Firefox needs to have the "Its all text" addon i
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