Re: Emacs vs. Eclipse vs. Vim

2008-12-01 Thread Peter Anderson
Stef asked: / />/ As a fall-back I also use EditPlus (see />/ http://www.editplus.com/index.html ). Its only for Windows /but PyScripter is also only for windows ;-) / and its shareware so you need to pay for it. Its clip library makes it />/ a VERY GOOD text editor. It's a real shame there ar

Re: Emacs vs. Eclipse vs. Vim

2008-12-01 Thread Mario Testinori
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:57:17 -0800 (PST), "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Nov 29, 3:44 pm, Josh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> If you were a beginning programmer and willing to make an investment in >> steep learning curve for best returns down the road, which would you pick? >> >

Re: Emacs vs. Eclipse vs. Vim

2008-12-01 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Nov 29, 3:44 pm, Josh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you were a beginning programmer and willing to make an investment in > steep learning curve for best returns down the road, which would you pick? > > I know this topic has been smashed around a bit already, but 'learning > curve' always seems

Re: Emacs vs. Eclipse vs. Vim

2008-12-01 Thread Craig Allen
I would never tell someone what editor to use in the same way I wouldn't tell someone what religion to believe in. Which is to say, I would tell my kids or other trusting soul... I used emacs for years, I was eventually convinced to start using nedit, which is quite nice. For an IDE, which I need

Re: Emacs vs. Eclipse vs. Vim

2008-12-01 Thread Ben Finney
Peter Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What I have done is skipped the whole Vim/Emacs obscure editor thing > and opted for PyScripter PyScripter is not obscure, compared to Emacs and Vim? I think I need a new ironometer. -- \ “I went to a garage sale. ‘How much for the garage?’ ‘I

Re: Emacs vs. Eclipse vs. Vim

2008-12-01 Thread Stef Mientki
Peter Anderson wrote: What I have done is skipped the whole Vim/Emacs obscure editor thing and opted for PyScripter (see http://mmm-experts.com/Products.aspx?ProductID=4 ). It might not be as complete/complex as these other editors but it is easy to use and just lets me get on with the task of

Re: Emacs vs. Eclipse vs. Vim

2008-12-01 Thread Peter Anderson
What I have done is skipped the whole Vim/Emacs obscure editor thing and opted for PyScripter (see http://mmm-experts.com/Products.aspx?ProductID=4 ). It might not be as complete/complex as these other editors but it is easy to use and just lets me get on with the task of cutting code. As a f

Re: Emacs vs. Eclipse vs. Vim

2008-12-01 Thread Slaunger
On 29 Nov., 21:44, Josh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you were a beginning programmer and willing to make an investment in > steep learning curve for best returns down the road, which would you pick? > > I know this topic has been smashed around a bit already, but 'learning > curve' always seems

Re: Emacs vs. Eclipse vs. Vim

2008-12-01 Thread Richard Riley
Roy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Richard Riley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Roy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > Clay Hobbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> The first real text editor I used was Vim, which I actually started >> >> using about

Re: Emacs vs. Eclipse vs. Vim

2008-12-01 Thread Roy Smith
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Nick Craig-Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Syntax colouring (not essential) I never used to use syntax coloring, until somebody turned me on to it a couple of years ago. I was griping on a company mailing list that some previous code monkey had commented

Re: Emacs vs. Eclipse vs. Vim

2008-12-01 Thread Roy Smith
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard Riley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Roy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Clay Hobbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The first real text editor I used was Vim, which I actually started > >> using about a year ago. I've looked at Emacs and it just loo

Re: Emacs vs. Eclipse vs. Vim

2008-12-01 Thread Nick Craig-Wood
Josh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you were a beginning programmer and willing to make an investment in > steep learning curve for best returns down the road, which would you pick? IMHO I'd want these features * Keyboard macros * Regular expression search and replace * Integration with

Re: Emacs vs. Eclipse vs. Vim

2008-12-01 Thread Duncan Booth
Roy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Clay Hobbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The first real text editor I used was Vim, which I actually started >> using about a year ago. I've looked at Emacs and it just looks >> confusing. > > I've been using emacs for so many years (um let's see, it's got

Re: Emacs vs. Eclipse vs. Vim

2008-12-01 Thread Richard Riley
Roy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Clay Hobbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The first real text editor I used was Vim, which I actually started >> using about a year ago. I've looked at Emacs and it just looks >> confusing. > > I've been using emacs for so many years (um let's see, it's got

Re: Emacs vs. Eclipse vs. Vim

2008-12-01 Thread Lawrence D'Oliveiro
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roy Smith wrote: > Likewise for the source control (CVS, SVN, P4, etc) integrations [in > emacs]. Discovered that by accident today. Had a conflicted update in Subversion, fixed it up, saved the file, switched to a terminal window, typed "svn status", and lo and be

Re: Emacs vs. Eclipse vs. Vim

2008-11-30 Thread Paul Rudin
Clay Hobbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It has key commands with key modifiers to do simple tasks (such as > moving the cursor to the left). Err - you move the cursor to the left by pressing the left arrow key (as you do with virtually every other editor), unless you've made some strange key bi

Re: Emacs vs. Eclipse vs. Vim

2008-11-30 Thread Roy Smith
Clay Hobbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The first real text editor I used was Vim, which I actually started > using about a year ago. I've looked at Emacs and it just looks > confusing. I've been using emacs for so many years (um let's see, it's got to be close to 25 years now; first saw it on C

Re: Emacs vs. Eclipse vs. Vim

2008-11-30 Thread Clay Hobbs
On Sat, 2008-11-29 at 12:44 -0800, Josh wrote: > If you were a beginning programmer and willing to make an investment in > steep learning curve for best returns down the road, which would you pick? > > I know this topic has been smashed around a bit already, but 'learning > curve' always seems

Re: Emacs vs. Eclipse vs. Vim

2008-11-30 Thread Jeremiah Dodds
There is, as other people have pointed out, no "correct" answer to this question, other that "use a few different editors, and settle on what you like". I personally use emacs. In fact, I use emacs for a lot more than just editing code. The reason I found myself really liking emacs was because I'

Re: Emacs vs. Eclipse vs. Vim

2008-11-30 Thread Ant
On Nov 29, 8:44 pm, Josh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you were a beginning programmer and willing to make an investment in > steep learning curve for best returns down the road, which would you pick? Personally I'd choose Vim for the following reasons: 1) Vim is ubiquitous on Linux/Unix server

Re: Emacs vs. Eclipse vs. Vim

2008-11-30 Thread Francesco Bochicchio
On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:44:14 -0800, Josh wrote: > If you were a beginning programmer and willing to make an investment in > steep learning curve for best returns down the road, which would you pick? > Honestly, I would invest my time and energy in someting more significant than editor skills. I

Re: Emacs vs. Eclipse vs. Vim

2008-11-29 Thread Arnaud Delobelle
Josh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If you were a beginning programmer and willing to make an investment > in steep learning curve for best returns down the road, which would > you pick? > > I know this topic has been smashed around a bit already, but 'learning > curve' always seems to be an arguem

Re: Emacs vs. Eclipse vs. Vim

2008-11-29 Thread Joe Riopel
On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Josh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks in advance, There is no right, or wrong, answer to this question. Try one for a few weeks, force yourself to use it as exclusively as possible for all your text editing needs. After that, repeat that process with the other e

Re: Emacs vs. Eclipse vs. Vim

2008-11-29 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Nov 29, 12:44 pm, Josh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you were a beginning programmer and willing to make an investment in > steep learning curve for best returns down the road, which would you pick? > > I know this topic has been smashed around a bit already, but 'learning > curve' always seem

Re: Emacs vs. Eclipse vs. Vim

2008-11-29 Thread J.T. Hurley
> If you were a beginning programmer and willing to make an investment in > steep learning curve for best returns down the road, which would you pick? I'd actually recommend starting with IDLE. It's pretty python-centric, and should give you a good idea if you want an IDE or an editor. If the form

Re: Emacs vs. Eclipse vs. Vim

2008-11-29 Thread Ben Finney
Stef Mientki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mario Testinori wrote: > > First, you must understand that this is an extremelly dangerous > > question to ask on a public newsgroup (expecially regarding the > > first and the third in the series). Wars have began over this. > > Many people were harmed i

Re: Emacs vs. Eclipse vs. Vim

2008-11-29 Thread Mario Testinori
On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:27:54 -0500, Albert Hopkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Sun, 2008-11-30 at 02:18 +0100, Stef Mientki wrote: > >> > First, you must understand that this is an extremelly dangerous >> > question to ask on a public newsgroup (expecially regarding the first >> > and the third

Re: Emacs vs. Eclipse vs. Vim

2008-11-29 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Sun, 2008-11-30 at 02:18 +0100, Stef Mientki wrote: > > First, you must understand that this is an extremelly dangerous > > question to ask on a public newsgroup (expecially regarding the first > > and the third in the series). Wars have began over this. Many people > > were harmed in those war

Re: Emacs vs. Eclipse vs. Vim

2008-11-29 Thread Stef Mientki
Mario Testinori wrote: On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:44:14 -0800, Josh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If you were a beginning programmer and willing to make an investment in steep learning curve for best returns down the road, which would you pick? I know this topic has been smashed around a bit alre

Re: Emacs vs. Eclipse vs. Vim

2008-11-29 Thread Mario Testinori
On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:44:14 -0800, Josh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >If you were a beginning programmer and willing to make an investment in >steep learning curve for best returns down the road, which would you pick? > >I know this topic has been smashed around a bit already, but 'learning >curv

Re: Emacs vs. Eclipse vs. Vim

2008-11-29 Thread Joe Riopel
On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Josh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks in advance, There is no right, or wrong, answer to this question. Try one for a few weeks, force yourself to use it as exclusively as possible for all your text editing needs. After that, repeat that process with the other e

Emacs vs. Eclipse vs. Vim

2008-11-29 Thread Josh
If you were a beginning programmer and willing to make an investment in steep learning curve for best returns down the road, which would you pick? I know this topic has been smashed around a bit already, but 'learning curve' always seems to be an arguement. If you feel that one is easier or ha