Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-16 Thread rusi
On Apr 16, 9:27 am, "Littlefield, Tyler" wrote: >  >And who pissed in Guido's punch bowl anyway? Why is he such an elitist >  >now? Why can he not come over once and a while and rub shoulders > withhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMEe7JqBgvg He he -- Bravo! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/list

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-16 Thread Jason Swails
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Ryan Kelly wrote: > It's also an oft-cited troll conspiracy that Guido hangs out on > python-list and posts under various pseudonyms. I think it would be > kinda fun if he did... > What if one of those was rr? I can't imagine he'd have that much time for self-e

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-15 Thread Littlefield, Tyler
>And who pissed in Guido's punch bowl anyway? Why is he such an elitist >now? Why can he not come over once and a while and rub shoulders with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMEe7JqBgvg -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-15 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:55:58 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > Steven D'Aprano writes: > >> Save yourself a lot of time and just killfile him now. You'll thank me >> for it later. > > You never thanked *me* for it, after you eventually realised that was > the right decision :-) It's not "later" enoug

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-14 Thread Ben Finney
Steven D'Aprano writes: > Save yourself a lot of time and just killfile him now. You'll thank me > for it later. You never thanked *me* for it, after you eventually realised that was the right decision :-) -- \ “Time's fun when you're having flies.” —Kermit the Frog | `\

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-14 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 12:15:59 -0500, Jeffrey Gaynor wrote: [...] > Don't know much about this topic, but boy is my BS detector going off... Just search the archives for "rantingrick". He's been around a few years now, and my estimate is that 99% of his posts are haranguing others for refusing to

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-14 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2011-04-14, rantingrick wrote: > [the usual bait] One has to congratulate RR on how many fish he catches. I guess we should just be glad that in this electronic ocean overfishing doesn't cause a population crash. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Everybody gets fre

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-14 Thread Jeffrey Gaynor
Lemme see now... >i laid out grandiose plans for a new beginning only to have my words >fall on deaf ears. Have we become so self absorbed as to care only for >our status and ego and not for the community at whole? So you proposed a grandiose plane that is a heck of a lot of work for the peo

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-14 Thread Westley Martínez
On Wed, 2011-04-13 at 20:26 -0700, rantingrick wrote: > On Apr 13, 10:01 pm, Ryan Kelly wrote: > > On Wed, 2011-04-13 at 19:10 -0700, rantingrick wrote: > > > On Apr 13, 8:29 pm, Ryan Kelly wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2011-04-13 at 17:39 -0700, rantingrick wrote: > [...] > > > Funny you should bring

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-14 Thread jmfauth
On 14 avr, 08:59, > Fortunately, if you're using a recent Linux or a Mac with MacPorts, > installing wxPython should never be more than one command line (or half a > dozen clicks) away. Windows users aren't quite so lucky, but still, it's > not like installing it is a major hassle. > Probably, t

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-14 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Ryan Kelly wrote: > On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 11:46 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: >> Wait... so where do the Python experts hang out? > > Don't panic, there are plenty of experts here :-) > > It's an oft-cited troll complaint that many python big-wigs (Guido, > Raymond

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-14 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 22:08:17 -0700, John Ladasky wrote: > I may regret wading into a flame-war, but... > > I got started with Python in 2002. I took one look at TKinter, said > "yuck!", and went searching for something else. Now, wxPython is a bit > clunky for a Python programmer because of its

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-13 Thread Terry Reedy
On 4/13/2011 11:12 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Personally, I'm glad that most of Python Dev don't hang around here. We are far better off if Python Dev, you know, actually Devs Python, rather than answering (mostly) easy questions and getting stuck in tar-pits. Since 3.2 was released 45 days ag

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-13 Thread James Mills
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 3:08 PM, John Ladasky wrote: > I may regret wading into a flame-war, but... As long as we leave it at that! :) > I got started with Python in 2002.  I took one look at TKinter, said > "yuck!", and went searching for something else.  Now, wxPython is a > bit clunky for a P

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-13 Thread John Ladasky
I may regret wading into a flame-war, but... I got started with Python in 2002. I took one look at TKinter, said "yuck!", and went searching for something else. Now, wxPython is a bit clunky for a Python programmer because of its strong ties to C++ -- but that's what I chose, and it has served m

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-13 Thread alex23
rantingrick wrote: > We all have jobs James, and we still find the time to help others out > on the list. I don't think "we" has quite the meaning you believe it does. Or "help" for that matter. > Guido is the head of a community. A community that, > remember, *he* started! He built this whole t

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-13 Thread Littlefield, Tyler
>We all have jobs James, and we still find the time to help others out Whose we? Can you point me to a thread within the last 6 months where you actually -helped- someone? >I think he has evolved into a complete jerk (if you ask me) 1) We didn't ask you. 2) If he's been under this rock of his an

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-13 Thread rantingrick
On Apr 13, 10:43 pm, James Mills wrote: > On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 1:26 PM, rantingrick wrote: > > And who pissed in Guido's punch bowl anyway? Why is he such an elitist > > now? Why can he not come over once and a while and rub shoulders with > > the little people? He does not have to hang out ev

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-13 Thread rantingrick
On Apr 13, 10:12 pm, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Personally, I'm glad that most of Python Dev don't hang around here. We > are far better off if Python Dev, you know, actually Devs Python, rather > than answering (mostly) easy questions and getting stuck in tar-pits. Nothing wrong with mediating ou

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-13 Thread James Mills
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 1:26 PM, rantingrick wrote: > And who pissed in Guido's punch bowl anyway? Why is he such an elitist > now? Why can he not come over once and a while and rub shoulders with > the little people? He does not have to hang out every day, just drop > in once a week or month at l

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-13 Thread rantingrick
On Apr 13, 10:01 pm, Ryan Kelly wrote: > On Wed, 2011-04-13 at 19:10 -0700, rantingrick wrote: > > On Apr 13, 8:29 pm, Ryan Kelly wrote: > > > On Wed, 2011-04-13 at 17:39 -0700, rantingrick wrote: [...] > Funny you should bring that up.  The folks on python-dev are currently > making a substanti

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-13 Thread Ryan Kelly
On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 03:12 +, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 12:03:15 +1000, Ryan Kelly wrote: > > > On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 11:46 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Ryan Kelly wrote: > >> > I weep that your delightful rhetoric is limited to this

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-13 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 12:03:15 +1000, Ryan Kelly wrote: > On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 11:46 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Ryan Kelly wrote: >> > I weep that your delightful rhetoric is limited to this neglected >> > forum, where the guardians of python core deign not t

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-13 Thread Ryan Kelly
On Wed, 2011-04-13 at 19:10 -0700, rantingrick wrote: > On Apr 13, 8:29 pm, Ryan Kelly wrote: > > On Wed, 2011-04-13 at 17:39 -0700, rantingrick wrote: > > I would LOVE to improve the doc, however first the student THEN the > teacher. However in this forsaken land the "teachers" do not exist. We

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-13 Thread Ben Finney
James Mills writes: > On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Ethan Furman wrote: > > *Please* don't re-post his crap. > > Opps sorry :) I have never really known what to do with big-huge-long > posts ? :) Trim them to a representative sample. Or summarise, if there's no such sample in the original.

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-13 Thread Westley Martínez
On Wed, 2011-04-13 at 17:39 -0700, rantingrick wrote: > You know Python is the best damn scripting language in the world. > However we harbor a collective secret, an elephant sized skeleton in > the community closet, a shameful scarlet letter of heartlessness and > ego centric-ity. Why is this the

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-13 Thread rantingrick
On Apr 13, 8:29 pm, Ryan Kelly wrote: > On Wed, 2011-04-13 at 17:39 -0700, rantingrick wrote: > Oh rr, if only the time you spent formulating such eloquent prose could > be devoted instead to improving the documentation whose state you > bemoan. I would LOVE to improve the doc, however first the

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-13 Thread James Mills
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Ethan Furman wrote: > *Please* don't re-post his crap. Opps sorry :) I have never really known what to do with big-huge-long posts ? :) Won't happen again! cheers James -- -- James Mills -- -- "Problems are solved by method" -- http://mail.python.org/mailman

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-13 Thread Ryan Kelly
On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 11:46 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Ryan Kelly wrote: > > I weep that your delightful rhetoric is limited to this neglected forum, > > where the guardians of python core deign not to tread, and hence denied > > its rightful place exalted amo

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-13 Thread Ethan Furman
James Mills wrote: On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 10:39 AM, rantingrick wrote: [weapon of mass-snippitude] James, *Please* don't re-post his crap. ~Ethan~ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-13 Thread Ryan Kelly
On Wed, 2011-04-13 at 17:39 -0700, rantingrick wrote: > > - > 1. Poor documentation (or lack thereof): > - > Everyone knows that dcoumentation is important however at the end of > the day laziness is the rule of thumb f

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-13 Thread rantingrick
On Apr 13, 8:10 pm, James Mills wrote: > On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 10:39 AM, rantingrick wrote: [...] Hello James, Whist your post was a bit abrasive i know you are a good person so that is why i am replying. > It would be nice for once to see you get off your > lazy "butt" and actually do somet

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-13 Thread James Mills
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 10:39 AM, rantingrick wrote: > You know Python is the best damn scripting language in the world. > However we harbor a collective secret,  an elephant sized skeleton in > the community closet, a shameful scarlet letter of heartlessness and > ego centric-ity. Why is this the

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-13 Thread Littlefield, Tyler
RR: I do have to ask, before I feed the troll, where the hell is your spellchecker? And you were talking about people being lazy? The irony is killing me. Now, you've been told you can fork Idol if you so choose, and you've been told to write up information on how you want to replace TKInter

Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-13 Thread rantingrick
You know Python is the best damn scripting language in the world. However we harbor a collective secret, an elephant sized skeleton in the community closet, a shameful scarlet letter of heartlessness and ego centric-ity. Why is this the case? Why have let it go this far? And most importantly, why