Maybe you'd better use descriptors?
On Tue, 28 Jan 2025 at 23:03, Ian Pilcher via Python-list <
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call_tracing()| enables explicit recursion of the
tracing function.
Is there any reason it doesn't support
sys.call_tracing(/func/, /args/, kargs)
to call
func(*args, **kargs)
?
Best wishes
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data format (wav: using
speech_recognition's *get_wav_data*(), using numpy...)
Any suggestions (using Python 2.x)?
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あうぇくろ writes:
tpr=composite(type,print)
print(tpr('a')==tpr(1))
Why does tpr('a')==tpr(1) return True?
Because tpr always returns the value None.
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1](func[0](*args, **kwargs))
return lambda *args, **kwargs: composite(*func[1:])(func[0](*args, **kwargs
))
tpr=composite(type,print)
print(tpr('a')==tpr(1))
I subscribed to python-list, so I sent this message again.
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> On 2025-01-14 11:32:35 +, Chris Green via Python-list wrote:
> > Use a virtual environment, what do I have to do then to make using
> > my program (t
Chris Green via Python-list writes:
> I'm looking for Python packages that can help with text mode input,
> i.e. for use with non-GUI programs that one runs from the command
> prompt in a terminal window running a bash shell or some such.
I'd suggest giving a try to https
r user interface is intuitive in retrospect ... it isn't intuitive
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On 1/17/25 7:26 PM, dn via Python-list wrote:
On 18/01/25 12:33, Ian Pilcher via Python-list wrote:
I am making my first atte
On 18/01/25 12:33, Ian Pilcher via Python-list wrote:
I am making my first attempt to use type hinting in a new project, and
I'm quickly hitting areas that I'm having trouble understanding. One of
them is how to write type hints for a method decorator.
Here is an example that illu
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On 2025-01-14 11:32:35 +, Chris Green via Python-list wrote:
> Use a virtual environment, what do I have to do then to make using
> my program (that uses tkintertable) 'transparent', i.e. I just
> want to be able to run the program from the command prompt l
On 1/17/25 12:03, Keith Thompson via Python-list wrote:
Alan Gauld writes:
On 15/01/2025 00:41, Keith Thompson via Python-list wrote:
Alan Gauld writes:
On 11/01/2025 14:28, Chris Green via Python-list wrote:
I'm looking for Python packages that can help with text mode input,
I ha
On 2025-01-17, Alan Gauld via Python-list wrote:
> On 15/01/2025 00:41, Keith Thompson via Python-list wrote:
>> Alan Gauld writes:
>>> On 11/01/2025 14:28, Chris Green via Python-list wrote:
>>>> I'm looking for Python packages that can help with text mode
Alan Gauld writes:
> On 15/01/2025 00:41, Keith Thompson via Python-list wrote:
>> Alan Gauld writes:
>>> On 11/01/2025 14:28, Chris Green via Python-list wrote:
>>>> I'm looking for Python packages that can help with text mode input,
>>>
>>>
On 15/01/2025 00:41, Keith Thompson via Python-list wrote:
> Alan Gauld writes:
>> On 11/01/2025 14:28, Chris Green via Python-list wrote:
>>> I'm looking for Python packages that can help with text mode input,
>>
>> The standard package for this is curses whi
(check_if_stream_is_pipe(sys.stdin))
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Alan Gauld writes:
> On 11/01/2025 14:28, Chris Green via Python-list wrote:
>> I'm looking for Python packages that can help with text mode input,
>
> The standard package for this is curses which comes as part
> of the standard library on *nix distros.
The thing about c
Op 11/01/2025 om 15:28 schreef Chris Green via Python-list:
I'm looking for Python packages that can help with text mode input,
i.e. for use with non-GUI programs that one runs from the command
prompt in a terminal window running a bash shell or some such.
What I'm specifically afte
On 15/01/2025 00:54, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
> are your friend. If that's not sophisticated enough the gnu "readline"
> library with a simple command processor is a common next step.
On that front the cmd module in Python is often overlooked
but is useful for
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On 2025-01-14, Chris Green via Python-list wrote:
> Yes, thanks all, maybe just straightforward curses is the way to go.
> Looking at some of the 'cleverer' ones they end up looking remarkably
> like GUI code, in which case I might as well use a GUI.
The source code to config
ual environment
using pip or w/e the package wants to be installed with. Investigate
and refine the dependencies I need (It's very common in the Python
world to incorrectly specify dependencies, to require a lot of
unnecessary dependencies, to depend on packages in the wrong way). And
after I
On 1/14/2025 6:32 AM, Chris Green via Python-list wrote:
I have a (relatively) clean Debian 12 installation running on my two
workhorse systems, a desktop server at home and my laptop that travels
around with me.
I moved from Xubuntu to Debian on both these systems a few months ago.
I ran
Hello, three dot fourteen dot zero alpha four!
https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-3140a4/
This is an early developer preview of Python 3.14.
Python 3.14 is still in development. This release, 3.14.0a4, is the fourth
of seven planned alpha releases.
Alpha releases are intended to
Hello Chris,
I do have similar "problems" and still try to get used to the "new way".
Other might correct me. I am not sure yet.
To my current understanding the way to go is to install Python
applications via "pipx". That make the application available in your
On 1/14/25 04:32, Chris Green via Python-list wrote:
I have a (relatively) clean Debian 12 installation running on my two
workhorse systems, a desktop server at home and my laptop that travels
around with me.
I moved from Xubuntu to Debian on both these systems a few months ago.
I ran Xubuntu
On 1/13/25 22:47, roc str via Python-list wrote:
having a difficult time installing Python-3.10.16.tgz using
the Python-3.20.0a2.exe installer.
Please Advise
Mario Ramos.
Your question doesn't exactly make sense, but note this:
Windows installers are not built for "security bugfix
I have a (relatively) clean Debian 12 installation running on my two
workhorse systems, a desktop server at home and my laptop that travels
around with me.
I moved from Xubuntu to Debian on both these systems a few months ago.
I ran Xubuntu for many years and acquired a whole lot of python
having a difficult time installing Python-3.10.16.tgz using
the Python-3.20.0a2.exe installer.
Please Advise
Mario Ramos.
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Alan Gauld wrote:
> On 14/01/2025 00:20, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
> > On 2025-01-13, Alan Gauld via Python-list wrote:
> >
> >> All of that is possible in curses, you just have to code it.
> >
> > All of that is easy with curses in C. Unfortuna
On 2025-01-14, Alan Gauld via Python-list wrote:
> On 14/01/2025 00:20, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
>> On 2025-01-13, Alan Gauld via Python-list wrote:
>>
>>> All of that is possible in curses, you just have to code it.
>>
>> All of that is easy w
On 14/01/2025 00:20, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
> On 2025-01-13, Alan Gauld via Python-list wrote:
>
>> All of that is possible in curses, you just have to code it.
>
> All of that is easy with curses in C. Unfortunately, the high level
> "panel" and &q
On 2025-01-13, Alan Gauld via Python-list wrote:
> All of that is possible in curses, you just have to code it.
All of that is easy with curses in C. Unfortunately, the high level
"panel" and "menu" curses subystems that make it easy aren't included
in the Pytho
On 11/01/2025 14:28, Chris Green via Python-list wrote:
> I'm looking for Python packages that can help with text mode input,
The standard package for this is curses which comes as part
of the standard library on *nix distros.
> What I'm specifically after is a way to provide
On 1/13/2025 11:09 AM, Henry S. Thompson via Python-list wrote:
I've spent several days trying to get this example [1] working, using
Python3.11 and Cython 3.0.11 of Debian.
I've copied the example files as carefully as I can, renamed some to
avoid a name clash with the queue.py li
[with link]
Henry S. Thompson via Python-list writes:
> I've spent several days trying to get this example [1] working, using
> Python3.11 and Cython 3.0.11 of Debian.
>
> I've copied the example files as carefully as I can, renamed some to
> avoid a name clash with the
On 1/12/2025 7:11 AM, Chris Green via Python-list wrote:
Stefan Ram wrote:
Chris Green wrote or quoted:
E.g. I want to install and use pksheet but, as it's not available from
the Debian repositories, I'll have to install it from PyPi.
I can't dig up any "pksheet"
rustbuck...@nope.com wrote:
>
> This is what I was going to suggest. Rich is super easy to use.
OK, thanks, Rich is on my shortlist then.
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evious response, it told me what I needed to know,
that pipx isn't really going to do what I want particularly easily.
If I DIY an environment for pysheet and then develop some python that
uses it, how do I then make it accessible as a 'normal' program? This
is just for my own use
This is what I was going to suggest. Rich is super easy to use.
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I've spent several days trying to get this example [1] working, using
Python3.11 and Cython 3.0.11 of Debian.
I've copied the example files as carefully as I can, renamed some to
avoid a name clash with the queue.py library, but the Pure Python
version throws errors at compile time an
by them, nor will this library integrate with the other
libraries provided by the system. So, it's hard to imagine why your
users would want that.
On Sun, Jan 12, 2025 at 12:47 AM Chris Green via Python-list
wrote:
>
> Can one use pipx to wrap the process of creating an independent
On 12/01/25 03:28, Chris Green via Python-list wrote:
I'm looking for Python packages that can help with text mode input,
i.e. for use with non-GUI programs that one runs from the command
prompt in a terminal window running a bash shell or some such.
What I'm specifically after i
Can one use pipx to wrap the process of creating an independent
environment for a python package as opposed to a runnable application?
E.g. I want to install and use pksheet but, as it's not available from
the Debian repositories, I'll have to install it from PyPi. So I
should put it
I'm looking for Python packages that can help with text mode input,
i.e. for use with non-GUI programs that one runs from the command
prompt in a terminal window running a bash shell or some such.
What I'm specifically after is a way to provide a default value that
can be accepted
On 1/10/25 12:53, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote:
On 1/10/2025 4:00 PM, Tim Johnson via Python-list wrote:
On 1/10/25 11:32, MRAB via Python-list wrote:
,,, snipped
Below is the pertinent code:
Popen(choice, stdout=PIPE, stderr=PIPE,
stdin=PIPE, close_fds=True
On 1/10/2025 4:00 PM, Tim Johnson via Python-list wrote:
On 1/10/25 11:32, MRAB via Python-list wrote:
,,, snipped
Below is the pertinent code:
Popen(choice, stdout=PIPE, stderr=PIPE,
stdin=PIPE, close_fds=True)
My guess is my argument list is either insufficient or
t you
tried should work.
What happens if in a separate terminal you try:
$ ps auxwww | grep audacity?
Are there any processes running?
If your script fails, what is the error?
If it doesn't, can you run this:
$strace python ./audacity-test.py
where audacity-test.py looks like this:
import s
On 1/10/25 11:32, MRAB via Python-list wrote:
,,, snipped
Below is the pertinent code:
Popen(choice, stdout=PIPE, stderr=PIPE,
stdin=PIPE, close_fds=True)
My guess is my argument list is either insufficient or an argument is
causing the problem, but am unsure of
On 2025-01-10 19:15, Tim Johnson via Python-list wrote:
Using Python 3.12.3 on Ubuntu 24.04
I've converted a legacy python2 script to python3. All went well.
However, a glitch from python2 remains.
The script uses dmenu to create menus to pick applications. Applications
are then invoked
Using Python 3.12.3 on Ubuntu 24.04
I've converted a legacy python2 script to python3. All went well.
However, a glitch from python2 remains.
The script uses dmenu to create menus to pick applications. Applications
are then invoked from python
using subprocess.Popen(). I have never
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On 2025-01-04 19:07:57 +, Chris Green via Python-list wrote:
> Stefan Ram wrote:
> > Chris Green wrote or quoted:
> > >From: =?utf-8?B?U8OpYmFzdGllbiBDcmlnbm9u?=
> >
> Is there a simple[r] way to extract just the 'real' address between
> the <>
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 14:31:24 +, Chris Green wrote:
> I have a Python script that filters my incoming E-Mail. It has been
> working OK (with various updates and improvements) for many years.
>
> I now have a minor new problem when handling E-Mail with a From: that
> has accente
Stefan Ram wrote:
> Chris Green wrote or quoted:
> >From: =?utf-8?B?U8OpYmFzdGllbiBDcmlnbm9u?=
>
> In Python, when you roll with decode_header from the email.header
> module, it spits out a list of parts, where each part is like
> a tuple of (decoded string, cha
I have a Python script that filters my incoming E-Mail. It has been
working OK (with various updates and improvements) for many years.
I now have a minor new problem when handling E-Mail with a From: that
has accented characters in it:-
From: Sébastien Crignon
I use Python mailbox to
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 at 09:22, aotto1968 via Python-list
wrote:
>
> On 30.12.24 18:29, Michael Torrie wrote:
> > On 12/26/24 12:34 AM, aotto1968 via Python-list wrote:
> >> sorry you don't understand the problem…
> >>
> >> > You managed to make a
On 30.12.24 18:29, Michael Torrie wrote:
On 12/26/24 12:34 AM, aotto1968 via Python-list wrote:
sorry you don't understand the problem…
> You managed to make a build of Python that attempts to link to a DLL
I never touch the OpenSUSE python. the OpenSUSE python try to use my
sqalite
Happy New Year, one and all. :)
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On 2024-12-31 15:00:10 -0900, Tim Johnson via Python-list wrote:
> being retired for ten years, I get my butt kicked by python dependencies
> every time I upgrade ubuntu. (I'm newly on 24.04) now.
>
> Now, after three weeks on using the following code correctly:
>
> from
On Tue, Dec 31, 2024, 17:04 Tim Johnson via Python-list <
python-list@python.org> wrote:
> I am as of today, getting an import error for mutagen. Mutagen package
> is installed at /root/.local/share/pipx/shared/lib/python3.12/site-packages
> Pip-installed packages that go to /
On 12/31/2024 7:00 PM, Tim Johnson via Python-list wrote:
Please let me grumble for a minute : I've been using python since before
1. 5, when I could email Guido van Rossum directly with questions
and on at least one occasion we swapped stories about our cats. I put
six kids though co
Please let me grumble for a minute : I've been using python since before
1. 5, when I could email Guido van Rossum directly with questions
and on at least one occasion we swapped stories about our cats. I put
six kids though college writing python, and now after
being retired for ten
On 2024-12-27, Chris Green via Python-list wrote:
> Cameron Simpson wrote:
>> On 25Dec2024 14:52, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer wrote:
>> >I have been following discussions on Discourse (discuss.python.org)
>> >these last times.
>> >
>> >I think tha
On 12/27/24 00:58, Chris Green via Python-list wrote:
Yes, it's the one saving grace of a Discourse forum, you can use it by
E-Mail and it behaves quite nicely with a text mode E-Mail client such
as mutt so you can keep threads separate, follow sub-threads, etc.
Not quite as good as this
On 12/26/24 12:34 AM, aotto1968 via Python-list wrote:
> sorry you don't understand the problem…
>
> > You managed to make a build of Python that attempts to link to a DLL
>
> I never touch the OpenSUSE python. the OpenSUSE python try to use my
> sqalite3.
The *only*
On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 at 15:02, aotto1968 via Python-list
wrote:
> > You managed to make a build of Python that attempts to link to a DLL
>
> I never touch the OpenSUSE python. the OpenSUSE python try to use my
> sqalite3.
You keep saying this, but do you even know what "make
s a very good "mailing list" mode. I use it that was >90% of
> the time, and file both posts from Discourse and posts from python-list
> into my "python" mail folder.
Yes, it's the one saving grace of a Discourse forum, you can use it by
E-Mail and it behaves
On 26.12.24 19:33, Michael Torrie wrote:
On 12/25/24 10:46 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
Right. That's exactly what would happen if he'd built Python using
absolute paths to libraries, which is the normal way to do it. And so
the solution is to rebuild Python using absolute paths to
On 26.12.24 04:55, Michael Torrie wrote:
On 12/25/24 3:55 PM, Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote:
On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 at 09:27, aotto1968 via Python-list
wrote:
It is not only an *usage* error it is also an *security* error because:
1) "cnf" is using OS python
2) os "root&q
On 26.12.24 04:55, Michael Torrie wrote:
On 12/25/24 3:55 PM, Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote:
On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 at 09:27, aotto1968 via Python-list
wrote:
It is not only an *usage* error it is also an *security* error because:
1) "cnf" is using OS python
2) os "root&q
On 26.12.24 06:46, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 at 14:57, Michael Torrie via Python-list
wrote:
On 12/25/24 3:55 PM, Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote:
On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 at 09:27, aotto1968 via Python-list
wrote:
It is not only an *usage* error it is also an *security
On 25.12.24 23:55, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 at 09:27, aotto1968 via Python-list
wrote:
It is not only an *usage* error it is also an *security* error because:
1) "cnf" is using OS python
2) os "root" python
3) using **my** local non-root library
Yes.
On 12/29/24 15:10, Cameron Simpson via Python-list wrote:
On 29Dec2024 07:16, Kevin M. Wilson wrote:
Excuse please, my failure. As I have not been following this
discussion, why is the subject "Python List Is NOT Dead" a subject for
discussion? Has the list been moving towards clo
On 29Dec2024 07:16, Kevin M. Wilson wrote:
Excuse please, my failure. As I have not been following this discussion, why is the
subject "Python List Is NOT Dead" a subject for discussion? Has the list been
moving towards closing?
No, the list's still around. But there wa
Excuse please, my failure. As I have not been following this discussion, why is
the subject "Python List Is NOT Dead" a subject for discussion? Has the list
been moving towards closing?
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On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 2:28 AM Cameron Simpson via Python-list <
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> On 25Dec2024 14:52, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer wrote:
> >I have been following discussions on Discourse (discuss.python.org)
>
of
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On 12/25/24 10:46 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> Right. That's exactly what would happen if he'd built Python using
> absolute paths to libraries, which is the normal way to do it. And so
> the solution is to rebuild Python using absolute paths to libraries.
You're right. De
On 25/12/24 23:52, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer via Python-list wrote:
Hey all,
I have been following discussions on Discourse (discuss.python.org) these
last times.
I think that it definitely lacks some of the joys of the mailing list:
1/ Categories
The discussion has fixed categories. No
On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 at 14:57, Michael Torrie via Python-list
wrote:
>
> On 12/25/24 3:55 PM, Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote:
> > On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 at 09:27, aotto1968 via Python-list
> > wrote:
> >> It is not only an *usage* error it is also an *security* error
On 12/25/24 8:55 PM, Michael Torrie wrote:
> This is Python related, but
> it's not necessarily python's fault per se.
It's also a good reminder to use venv. Then there's no way of
activating your custom python with its custom sqlite3 library unless you
explicitly ac
On 12/25/24 3:55 PM, Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 at 09:27, aotto1968 via Python-list
> wrote:
>> It is not only an *usage* error it is also an *security* error because:
>>
>> 1) "cnf" is using OS python
>> 2) os "r
On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 at 09:27, aotto1968 via Python-list
wrote:
> It is not only an *usage* error it is also an *security* error because:
>
> 1) "cnf" is using OS python
> 2) os "root" python
> 3) using **my** local non-root library
Yes. And YOU were the one wh
On 25.12.24 12:05, aotto1968 wrote:
I get angry…
next python error…
1) The OpenSUSE command "cnf" checks if a special package feature is installed.
2) I recently compiled **my** SQLite3 library specifically tailored to **my** requirement and installed it in **my** SQLite3
project
I get angry…
next python error…
1) The OpenSUSE command "cnf" checks if a special package feature is installed.
2) I recently compiled **my** SQLite3 library specifically tailored to **my** requirement and installed it in **my** SQLite3
project directory and never changed th
e of my code and how the modules
> relate to each other.
On 25/12/24 23:08, marc nicole via Python-list wrote:
the purpose of the diagram is to convey a minimalistic idea about the
structure of the code/implementation/software
In which case, and assuming the "algorithm" is the ap
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 14:52:23 +0400
Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer via Python-list wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I have been following discussions on Discourse (discuss.python.org)
> these last times.
>
> I think that it definitely lacks some of the joys of the mailing list:
>
>
out <https://compileralchemy.github.io/> | blog
<https://www.pythonkitchen.com>
github <https://github.com/Abdur-RahmaanJ>
Mauritius
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the purpose of the diagram is to convey a minimalistic idea about the
structure of the code/implementation/software
Le mer. 25 déc. 2024 à 01:49, Thomas Passin via Python-list <
python-list@python.org> a écrit :
> On 12/24/2024 3:42 PM, marc nicole via Python-list wrote:
> > i
On 12/24/2024 3:42 PM, marc nicole via Python-list wrote:
it is here https://i.sstatic.net/ykk5Wd0w.png
This diagram does not make much sense to me:
1. What is the purpose of the diagram and who is it intended for?
2. A module and an algorithm are different kinds of things, yet they are
marc nicole via Python-list ezt írta (időpont:
2024. dec. 24., K 22:09):
> The full python package (pypi) being represented as the outermost frame
> here including the 4 sub-frames)
>
> Le mar. 24 déc. 2024 à 22:05, marc nicole a écrit :
>
> > I want to convey the id
On 12/24/2024 4:08 PM, marc nicole via Python-list wrote:
The full python package (pypi) being represented as the outermost frame
here including the 4 sub-frames)
Le mar. 24 déc. 2024 à 22:05, marc nicole a écrit :
I want to convey the idea that main.py (main algorithm) imports 3 modules
(V
The full python package (pypi) being represented as the outermost frame
here including the 4 sub-frames)
Le mar. 24 déc. 2024 à 22:05, marc nicole a écrit :
> I want to convey the idea that main.py (main algorithm) imports 3 modules
> (V, S, M) (each of them containing .py scripts rela
mar. 24 déc. 2024 à 21:56, dn via Python-list a
écrit :
> On 25/12/24 06:27, marc nicole via Python-list wrote:
> > Hello community,
> >
> > I have created a Python code where a main algorithm uses three different
> > modules (.py) after importing them.
> >
> &g
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