On 7/23/2015 9:28 PM, Steve Burrus wrote:
Listen I got back the Idle EAditor the other day but I had to install
the older, version 2.7, version of Python to get it. So naturally I w
onder if I can get Idle for version 3.4.*?
Yes, just install 3.4.3.
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On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 3:40 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> So while emacs makes everything else look rather puerile, setting it up
>> is such a bitch that last python course I just switched to idle.
>> Must admit it was more pleasant than I expected.
>> Except that sometimes we need C and C++ and
On 27/07/2015 00:12, Ned Batchelder wrote:
On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 5:15:31 PM UTC-4, mm0fmf wrote:
On 26/07/2015 20:17, E.D.G. wrote:
[around 90 lines snipped]
Am I the only person thinking Troll?
Yes.
--Ned.
Was it really necessary to resend all of the original for the sake of a
"Ned Batchelder" wrote in message
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Am I the only person thinking Troll?
Yes.
Posted by E.D.G. July 26, 2015
With some humor intended, thanks for the supportive note.
This is an indirect URL for a potentially importan
On Saturday, July 25, 2015 at 11:35:02 AM UTC-5, Laura Creighton wrote:
> How do you teach gmail not to reflow what it thinks of as
> 'other people's quoted text'?
My simple solution is to bulk replace ">>> " with "py> ".
Also has the benefit of differentiating between languages
when a proper "tag
On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 5:15:31 PM UTC-4, mm0fmf wrote:
> On 26/07/2015 20:17, E.D.G. wrote:
> > "E.D.G." wrote in message
> > news:jf6dnqimoz_gxc7inz2dnuu7-s2dn...@earthlink.com...
> >
> > Posted by E.D.G. July 26, 2015
> >
> > These are some additional comments related to my origin
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Posted by E.D.G. July 26, 2015
There is an additional comment for people who are interested in
scientific programming efforts.
Most people are aware that when the U.S. Government tried to get a
We
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> Am I the only person thinking Troll?
Posted by E.D.G. July 26, 2015
In my opinion, one of the most important aspects in considering the
selection of a new programming language is the willingness of people posting
note
On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 1:15:29 AM UTC+5:30, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2015-07-26, Rustom Mody wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 9:17:16 PM UTC+5:30, Grant Edwards wrote:
> >> On 2015-07-26, Rustom Mody wrote:
> >>
> >>> JFTR: Ive been using emacs for 20+ years. And I have the increasin
And for those interested in how I received Laura's message (the one I
replied to):
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Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail
From: Laura Creighton
Newsgroups: gmane.comp.python.general
Subject: Re: scalar vs array and program con
On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 11:11:04 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 01:59 am, Rustom Mody wrote:
>
> > Its 2015 now and any ½ decent teacher of programming, writes programs in
> > front of the class.
>
> Yeah, but the fully decent teachers prepare before hand, so the s
On 26/07/2015 20:17, E.D.G. wrote:
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These are some additional comments related to my original post.
The effort I have been discussing actually involves developing a
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 12:20 AM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> On 25Jul2015 22:43, Ian Kelly wrote:
>>
>> On Jul 25, 2015 4:51 PM, "Ben Finney" wrote:
>>>
>>> Laura Creighton writes:
>>> > So it was my fault by sending him a reply with >>> to the far left.
>>>
>>> No, it was Google Mail's failt for
On 2015-07-26, Rustom Mody wrote:
> On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 9:17:16 PM UTC+5:30, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> On 2015-07-26, Rustom Mody wrote:
>>
>>> JFTR: Ive been using emacs for 20+ years. And I have the increasing
>>> feeling that my students are getting fedup with it (and me).
[...]
>> Why
"E.D.G." wrote in message
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Posted by E.D.G. July 26, 2015
These are some additional comments related to my original post.
The effort I have been discussing actually involves developing a
totally free version of some languag
"Laura Creighton" wrote in message
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Yes. That is actually the usual way to do things for quite a few years
now.
What you are talking about is what we call a Python virtual environment.
see: http://iamzed.com/2009/05/07/a-primer-on-virt
> It can take a considerable amount of time and effort to get a
>programming language installed and running with all of the features that are
>needed. It probably took me 5 to 10 years to get Perl organized on my
>computer like that.
> So, that is what I was asking about Python.
On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 18:34:30 +0200,
Laura Creighton wrote:
> Gmail eats Python. We just saw this mail back from Sebastian Luque
> which says in part:
try: all_your_code_which_is_happy_with_non_scalars except
WhateverErrorPythonGivesYouWhenYouTryThisWithScalars:
whatever_you_want_
On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 01:59 am, Rustom Mody wrote:
> Its 2015 now and any ½ decent teacher of programming, writes programs in
> front of the class.
Yeah, but the fully decent teachers prepare before hand, so the students
don't have to wait while they type out the (buggy) program in front of
them.
"Laura Creighton" wrote in message
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The most common way to do things is to tell your users to install
whatever python distribution you pick and then optionally
install these extra packages (if you need any) and then give them a python
pro
On 26/07/2015 16:59, Rustom Mody wrote:
So while emacs makes everything else look rather puerile, setting it up
is such a bitch that last python course I just switched to idle.
Must admit it was more pleasant than I expected.
Except that sometimes we need C and C++ and assembly and haskell and m
On 26-07-2015 05:47, blue wrote:
> Hi .
> I tested all. Now I think the PySide can more.
No python3!
Besides ... any differences to pyqt4?
Thanks
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On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 9:17:16 PM UTC+5:30, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2015-07-26, Rustom Mody wrote:
>
> > JFTR: Ive been using emacs for 20+ years. And I have the increasing
> > feeling that my students are getting fedup with it (and me).
>
> I don't understand.
>
> Why do your students e
On 2015-07-26, Laura Creighton wrote:
> In a message of Sun, 26 Jul 2015 00:58:08 -, Grant Edwards writes:
>
>>You use mutt or something else decent as your MUA.
>>
>
> I do -- the problem is all the gmail users out there.
So am I, and I use mutt as my MUA pretty much exclusively. [I
sometime
On 2015-07-26, Rustom Mody wrote:
> JFTR: Ive been using emacs for 20+ years. And I have the increasing
> feeling that my students are getting fedup with it (and me).
I don't understand.
Why do your students even _know_ (let alone care!) what editor you
use?
I admit it was years ago, but afte
On 2015-07-26, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
>> Well Almost.
>>
>> Emacs used to stand for "Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping"
>> At a time when 8 MB was large. Is it today?
>> So let me ask you:
[...]
>> If you have one app to do them all, I'd
On 26/07/2015 15:22, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 10:49 pm, BartC wrote:
How do you actually install Numpy in Windows?
Are you installing from source, or a pre-built binary?
To install from source, you need a C or Fortran compiler, and a bunch of
extra libraries (I think BLAS i
\o/
> On 26 juil. 2015, at 4:37 PM, Larry Hastings wrote:
>
>
> On behalf of the Python development community and the Python 3.5 release
> team, I'm delighted to announce the availability of Python 3.5.0b4. Python
> 3.5.0b4 is scheduled to be the last beta release; the next release will be
On behalf of the Python development community and the Python 3.5 release
team, I'm delighted to announce the availability of Python 3.5.0b4. Python
3.5.0b4 is scheduled to be the last beta release; the next release will be
Python 3.5.0rc1, or Release Candidate 1.
Python 3.5 has now entered "featu
On 26/07/2015 14:07, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 10:49 PM, BartC wrote:
And is there anything I've done wrong above? (Apart from trying to use
Windows.)
Not sure about done *wrong*, per se, but there's something that you
didn't mention doing: search the web for "numpy windo
On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 10:49 pm, BartC wrote:
> How do you actually install Numpy in Windows?
Are you installing from source, or a pre-built binary?
To install from source, you need a C or Fortran compiler, and a bunch of
extra libraries (I think BLAS is one of them?).
> I had a go a month or two
On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 4:13:17 PM UTC+5:30, Jussi Piitulainen wrote:
> Rustom Mody writes:
> > On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 2:06:00 PM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>
> >> What would you like to achieve, exactly?
> >
> > Some attitude correction?
>
> With all respect, take your own advice.
On 26/07/2015 13:49, BartC wrote:
On 25/07/2015 12:36, tandrewjohn...@outlook.com wrote:
For intensive numerical calculations, I'd recommend using the NumPy
module, as well as the 64-bit version of Python is possible.
How do you actually install Numpy in Windows?
http://www.lfd.uci.edu/~go
> How do you actually install Numpy in Windows?
In theory, `pip install numpy` should work, but there are currently no
wheels for Windows, see https://github.com/numpy/numpy/issues/5479. Try
`pip install -i https://pypi.binstar.org/carlkl/simple numpy` (see last
posts in the issue).
Adam Bartoš
-
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 10:49 PM, BartC wrote:
>
> And is there anything I've done wrong above? (Apart from trying to use
> Windows.)
Not sure about done *wrong*, per se, but there's something that you
didn't mention doing: search the web for "numpy windows", which
brought me to this page:
http:
On 25/07/2015 12:36, tandrewjohn...@outlook.com wrote:
For intensive numerical calculations, I'd recommend using the NumPy module, as
well as the 64-bit version of Python is possible.
How do you actually install Numpy in Windows?
I had a go a month or two ago and couldn't get anywhere.
I re
Jussi Piitulainen :
> I suppose early hackers were also incredibly tolerant of obscure names
> in general.
At first, there was only the machine language. Assembly languages
introduced "mnemonics" for the weaklings who couldn't remember the
opcodes by heart.
(Playing cards went through a somewhat
Chris Angelico writes:
> On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>>> - What everyone calls head (of a list) emacs calls Car (Toyota?)
>>
>> Now you're inventing things.
>
> No, but it's LISP rather than Emacs that calls it that. And it dates
> back to an assembly language opcode. Wh
On 26/07/2015 10:21, alister wrote:
emacs is a great operating system - the only thing it lacks is a good
text editor ;-)
notepad
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On 26/07/2015 07:15, Rustom Mody wrote:
On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 11:05:14 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
JFTR: Ive been using emacs for 20+ years. And I have the increasing feeling
that my students are getting fedup with it (and me).
Rustom Mody writes:
> On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 2:06:00 PM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> What would you like to achieve, exactly?
>
> Some attitude correction?
With all respect, take your own advice. And use an editor that works for
you.
> That emacs starts its tutorial showing how to use
Hello,
how can I capture C stdin and stdout file pointers using ctypes in Python
3? I want them to be able to call PyOS_Readline via ctypes.
Thank you, Adam Bartoš
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Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Laura Creighton wrote:
>> and to create a class where none was before to make it more object-
>> oriented.
>
> I did not need to, but, again, it was more obvious that way. I could also
> have used an existing class, and its existing or newly added method.
> AI
Laura Creighton wrote:
> […] "Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn" writes:
>> Laura Creighton wrote:
>>> […] "Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn" [writes]:
Laura Creighton wrote:
> […] You really cannot make your code 'more functional' and 'more
> object-oriented' at the same time -- more in one style
Chris Angelico :
> On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>>> - What everyone calls head (of a list) emacs calls Car (Toyota?)
>>
>> Now you're inventing things.
>
> No, but it's LISP rather than Emacs that calls it that.
You'd have to get into programming lisp before you encount
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> - What everyone calls head (of a list) emacs calls Car (Toyota?)
>
> Now you're inventing things.
No, but it's LISP rather than Emacs that calls it that. And it dates
back to an assembly language opcode. Why that got perpetuated in a
high
Rustom Mody :
> You are being obtuse Marko!
>
> Yeah that 'M-' is what everyone calls Alt can be conveyed in a few
> seconds
Often Alt doesn't work. For example, the stupid GUI thinks it can
intercept some Alt key combinations. Then, it's good to know the ESC
prefix functions as Alt.
Also, in so
On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 04:43 pm, Ian Kelly wrote:
> I'm also skeptical that this was caused by Gmail, which I've never
> seen do this and did not do this when I tried to repro it just now.
> Also, unless I'm misinterpreting the headers of the message in
> question, it appears to have been sent via Gm
On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 01:50:21 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote:
> On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 2:06:00 PM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> Rustom Mody :
>>
>> > Emacs 'tries to be everything' in exactly the same way that a
>> > 'general purpose programming language' is too general and by
>> > pretending
On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 2:06:00 PM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> Rustom Mody :
>
> > Emacs 'tries to be everything' in exactly the same way that a 'general
> > purpose programming language' is too general and by pretending to
> > solve all problems actually solves none (until you hire a pr
On 26Jul2015 09:02, Laura Creighton wrote:
In a message of Sun, 26 Jul 2015 00:58:08 -, Grant Edwards writes:
You use mutt or something else decent as your MUA.
I do -- the problem is all the gmail users out there.
Take heart - gmail used to do much worse than this:-)
Cheers,
Cameron S
On 25Jul2015 22:43, Ian Kelly wrote:
On Jul 25, 2015 4:51 PM, "Ben Finney" wrote:
Laura Creighton writes:
> So it was my fault by sending him a reply with >>> to the far left.
No, it was Google Mail's failt for messing with the content of the
message.
Specificly, by manking the text withou
Rustom Mody :
> Emacs 'tries to be everything' in exactly the same way that a 'general
> purpose programming language' is too general and by pretending to
> solve all problems actually solves none (until you hire a programmer).
Emacs isn't too general. It's just right.
> Problem with emacs (cult
On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 12:25:42 PM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> Chris Angelico:
>
> > Emacs tries to be absolutely everything, not just editing text files;
> > that's why it's big.
>
> I use emacs for most of my text inputting needs. Sometimes I even use it
> to type in web forms (prepa
On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 8:30 AM, 김지훈 wrote:
> Hi.
> I recently changed my path to be a programmer so I decided to learn python.
> I downloaded files(Python 2.7.10 - 2015-05-23) to setup on your website.
> (also got the version of x64 because of my cpu)
> But when I try to install it, there is an e
On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 at 9:19:05 PM UTC+3, mjkan...@gmail.com wrote:
> I just completed all four modules and Kirby was my instructor. I really
> enjoyed the class and got a lot out of it. I am not a developer, so common
> concepts like objects were new to me, whereas standard data st
In a message of Sun, 26 Jul 2015 00:58:08 -, Grant Edwards writes:
>You use mutt or something else decent as your MUA.
>
I do -- the problem is all the gmail users out there.
Laura
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Chris Angelico :
> Emacs tries to be absolutely everything, not just editing text files;
> that's why it's big.
I use emacs for most of my text inputting needs. Sometimes I even use it
to type in web forms (prepare it in emacs and copy the text over into
the form).
I'm typing now. Hence, I'm usi
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