On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 1:15:29 AM UTC+5:30, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2015-07-26, Rustom Mody wrote: > > On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 9:17:16 PM UTC+5:30, Grant Edwards wrote: > >> On 2015-07-26, Rustom Mody wrote: > >> > >>> JFTR: Ive been using emacs for 20+ years. And I have the increasing > >>> feeling that my students are getting fedup with it (and me). > > [...] > >> Why do your students even _know_ (let alone care!) what editor you > >> use? > >> > >> I admit it was years ago, but after attending three universities and > >> getting a BS in Computer Engineering and an MS in Computer Science and > >> Electrical Engieneering, I hadn't the foggiest idea what editors any > >> of the faculty used. Nor would I have cared one way or the other if I > >> had known. > > > > Its 2015 now and any ½ decent teacher of programming, writes programs > > in front of the class. And debugs and hacks and pokes around > > OS-related stuff (ps, top and more arcane) etc. > > I still don't get it. > > You're not teaching the _editor_, so why would it matter to anybody > which editor you're using to show them the code? They can see the > code, and they can see what it does. Are they too stupid to figure > out how to insert or delete a line using whatever editor they prefer? > > I remember being shown live examples in a numerical programming class, > and not only was the _editor_ one I had never touched (or would), the > language and OS were ones I had never used and never would. It didn't > detract from what was actually being _taught_ -- which was not "how to > edit and run programs on an Apple-something-or-other". > > The live examples we were shown for APL not only used a differnt > editor, OS, and virtual machine that we used, it didn't even use the > same character set! > > I guess I have unealisitically high expections of modern students. > > ... and back then all we had were zeros!
Was setting up machines for use a job you did in your days? I know we didn't set up any -- there were no machines to set up other than the privately unaffordable public resources. Today a machine is about as personal and private as a toothbrush. DevOps is a fashionable term these days. We used to call it system-administration. As expected CS education is about 10 years behind the curve in seeing its importance -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
