On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 01:50:21 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote:
> On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 2:06:00 PM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> Rustom Mody :
>>
>> > Emacs 'tries to be everything' in exactly the same way that a
>> > 'general purpose programming language' is too general and by
>> > pretending to solve all problems actually solves none (until you hire
>> > a programmer).
>>
>> Emacs isn't too general. It's just right.
>>
>> > Problem with emacs (culture) is that its aficionados assume that a
>> > superb conceptual design trumps technological relevance,
>>
>> It's relevant to me every day, for business and pleasure.
>>
>> > [Did you notice that you used the locutions 'M-$', 'M-x'? What sense
>> > does this 80s terminology make to an emacs uninitiate in 2015?
>>
>> They can be initiated in mere seconds to that esoteric knowledge.
>
> You are being obtuse Marko!
>
> Yeah that 'M-' is what everyone calls Alt can be conveyed in a few
> seconds But there are a hundred completely useless pieces of
> comtemporary-to-emacs inconsistency:
> - What everyone calls a window, emacs calls a frame - And what emacs
> calls a window, everyone calls a pane - What everyone does with C-x
> emacs does with C-w (and woe betide if you mix that up)
> - What everyone calls head (of a list) emacs calls Car (Toyota?)
>
>
>> > From seeing my 20-year-olf students suffer all this
>>
>> What do your students suffer from? The beauty of the matter is that
>> they can use any editor they like. They don't have to like or use
>> emacs.
>>
>> (In some shops you actually virtually *have* to use Eclipse or Visual
>> Studio or the some such thing. That *is* painful.)
>>
>> > combined with the hopelessness of convincing the emacs folks that we
>> > are in 2015, not 1980,
>>
>> What do you need to convince emacs folks about? Emacs isn't perfect at
>> everything, but the emacs developers have kept it admirably up to date.
>> It has been following the quirks of Java, git and MS Exchange even if
>> it has been an uphill battle.
>>
>> > I conclude this is a losing battle
>>
>> What would you like to achieve, exactly?
>
> Some attitude correction?
> That emacs starts its tutorial showing how to use C-p and C-n for what
> everyone uses arrows is bad enough.
> That the arrow-keys are later found to work quite alright is even worse
> and speaks of a ridiculous attitude
emacs is a great operating system - the only thing it lacks is a good
text editor ;-)
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