Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-10 Thread Bob Martin
in 714281 20140110 090409 Alister wrote: >On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 07:31:11 +, Bob Martin wrote: > >> in 714232 20140109 120741 Alister wrote: >>>On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 07:17:25 +, Mark Lawrence wrote: >>> >>>> On 09/01/2014 04:14, Chris Angelico wrote:

Re: With this artifact, everyone can easily invent new languages

2014-01-10 Thread James Harris
"Simeon Chaos" wrote in message news:bb7d8d30-845a-4a3d-9b03-dee71ef42...@googlegroups.com... > ? 2014?1?11UTC+8??10?17?33?,Chris Angelico??: > > On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Simeon Chaos wrote: > > > > > All along, the design of programming languages is a complex task. > > > Because we

Re: With this artifact, everyone can easily invent new languages

2014-01-10 Thread Simeon Chaos
Yes, it's complex to design a new language. So don't let the tool stand in the way. There is a saying: Grinding a chopper will not hold up the work of cutting firewood. 在 2014年1月11日星期六UTC+8上午10时17分33秒,Chris Angelico写道: > On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Simeon Chaos wrote: > > > All along, the

Re: python first project

2014-01-10 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 3:18 PM, ngangsia akumbo wrote: > purch_price = input("Please enter the price for purchase made: ") > purch_p = raw_input("Please enter the reason of this purchase made: ") Never use input() in a Python 2 program... always use raw_input() instead. You're mostly rig

python first project

2014-01-10 Thread ngangsia akumbo
Hi everyone, I have been around this group for some time and i saw that we have very helpful people here. i have been learning python just for about 5 months now and i have been given a task to do. This will be a leap into the programming industry for me. i am programming a system that will

Re: With this artifact, everyone can easily invent new languages

2014-01-10 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Simeon Chaos wrote: > All along, the design of programming languages is a complex task. Because we > need to understand the esoteric compiler theory and technology, and one of > the most critical and very difficult part is to define the rules of the new > langu

With this artifact, everyone can easily invent new languages

2014-01-10 Thread Simeon Chaos
How is peasy (https://github/chaosim/peasy) simpler and more powerful than other parser tools? Simpler and more powerful? Maybe it is a bit contrary to common sense. True or false? To affirm, please give this project (https://github.com/chaosim/peasy) a glimpse at first. Because of being simple

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often (was: the Gravity of Python 2)

2014-01-10 Thread Roy Smith
In article , Peter Pearson wrote: > Around 30 years ago, the Wall Street Journal ran an opinion piece > advocating the abandonment of time zones and the unification of the > globe into a single glorious time zone. After enumerating the > efficiencies to be achieved by this system, the writer b

Re: Send array back in result from urllib2.urlopen(request, postData)

2014-01-10 Thread MRAB
On 2014-01-10 20:57, vanommen.rob...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I have a Raspberry Pi with 10 temperature sensors. I send the data from the sensors and some other values with json encoding and: result = urllib2.urlopen(request, postData) to a online PHP script wich places the data in a mysql dat

Re: Send array back in result from urllib2.urlopen(request, postData)

2014-01-10 Thread Denis McMahon
On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 12:57:59 -0800, vanommen.robert wrote: > Hello, > > I have a Raspberry Pi with 10 temperature sensors. I send the data from > the sensors and some other values with json encoding and: > > result = urllib2.urlopen(request, postData) > > to a online PHP script wich places the

Re: Input Error issues - Windows 7

2014-01-10 Thread Dave Angel
On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 11:38:32 -0800 (PST), bryan.kardi...@gmail.com wrote: It's in the following directory on my machine C:\workspace\PyFoo\src\foo In that folder is __init__.py (created automatically) and foo.py foo.py looks like this class foo(): Ned has pointed out your path prob

Re: Send array back in result from urllib2.urlopen(request, postData)

2014-01-10 Thread Dave Angel
On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 12:57:59 -0800 (PST), vanommen.rob...@gmail.com wrote: No idea about the php.. In python when i do para = result.read() print para the output is: [null,null,null,null,null,"J"] That's a string that just looks like a list. This is correct according to the data in P

Re: Send array back in result from urllib2.urlopen(request, postData)

2014-01-10 Thread John Gordon
In vanommen.rob...@gmail.com writes: > result = urllib2.urlopen(request, postData) > para = result.read() > print para > the output is: > [null,null,null,null,null,"J"] > print para[1] > the output is: > n Probably because para is a string with the value '[null,null,null,null,null,"J"]'

Re: L[:]

2014-01-10 Thread Terry Reedy
On 1/10/2014 12:38 PM, Albert-Jan Roskam wrote: In Python Cookbook, one of the authors (I forgot who) consistently used the "L[:]" idiom like below. If the second line simply starts with "L =" (so no "[:]") only the name "L" would be rebound, not the underlying object. That was the authorś expl

Re: L[:]

2014-01-10 Thread Ned Batchelder
On 1/10/14 12:38 PM, Albert-Jan Roskam wrote: In Python Cookbook, one of the authors (I forgot who) consistently used the "L[:]" idiom like below. If the second line simply starts with "L =" (so no "[:]") only the name "L" would be rebound, not the underlying object. That was the authorś explan

Re: Porting mailing list underused?

2014-01-10 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 10/01/2014 20:38, Skip Montanaro wrote: Anyone in the know who can explain this phenomenon? I don't think I can explain it authoritatively, but I can hazard a guess. Skimming the archives sorted by author, it looks like most/all the correspondents are Python core developers. That leads me to

Re: Constructive Criticism

2014-01-10 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 10/01/2014 20:26, jeremiah valerio wrote: For the second time of asking would you please read and action this https://wiki.python.org/moin/GoogleGroupsPython to prevent us seeing double line spacing, thanks. Failing that, please arm yourself with a semi-decent email client, there are umpte

Send array back in result from urllib2.urlopen(request, postData)

2014-01-10 Thread vanommen . robert
Hello, I have a Raspberry Pi with 10 temperature sensors. I send the data from the sensors and some other values with json encoding and: result = urllib2.urlopen(request, postData) to a online PHP script wich places the data in a mysql database. In the result: result.read() i am trying to

L[:]

2014-01-10 Thread Albert-Jan Roskam
In Python Cookbook, one of the authors (I forgot who) consistently used the "L[:]" idiom like below. If the second line simply starts with "L =" (so no "[:]") only the name "L" would be rebound, not the underlying object. That was the authorś explanation as far as I can remember. I do not get th

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 10 January 2014 15:24:11 Mark Lawrence did opine: > On 10/01/2014 18:48, MRAB wrote: > > On 2014-01-10 18:22, Peter Pearson wrote: > >> On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 15:14:55 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> [snip] > >> > >>> What I find, most of the time, is that it's Americans who can't > >>> h

Re: Porting mailing list underused?

2014-01-10 Thread Skip Montanaro
> Anyone in the > know who can explain this phenomenon? I don't think I can explain it authoritatively, but I can hazard a guess. Skimming the archives sorted by author, it looks like most/all the correspondents are Python core developers. That leads me to believe this was a list created for the c

Re: Constructive Criticism

2014-01-10 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 7:26 AM, jeremiah valerio wrote: > So always think of the if's and possibility's that > other people might do, thanks for you input. Also think of the possibility that someone will read your post and its quoted text. Please get off Google Groups, or if you must keep using

Porting mailing list underused?

2014-01-10 Thread Mark Lawrence
Given the adverse publicity recently over the problems with porting from 2 to 3, I find it strange that the subject list has only 351 messages that I can see dating from 15/12/2008 to 05/01/2014. This is despite it being clearly mentioned here http://www.python.org/community/lists/ Anyone in t

Re: Constructive Criticism

2014-01-10 Thread jeremiah valerio
On Friday, January 10, 2014 2:56:14 AM UTC-6, Alister wrote: > On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 13:05:23 -0800, jeremiah valerio wrote: > > > > > On Thursday, January 9, 2014 2:54:44 PM UTC-6, Christopher Welborn > > > wrote: > > >> On 01/08/2014 11:56 PM, jeremiahvalerio...@gmail.com wrote: > > >> > >

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-10 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-01-10, Mark Lawrence wrote: > Hell will freeze over first. But apparently it already has in > Minnesota. Drat, drat and double drat!!! It got darned cold here in Minnesota on Monday (-23F in Minneapolis, -35F in Embarass), but Hell is in Michigan -- where it only got down to -15F.

Re: Python 2.x and 3.x usage survey

2014-01-10 Thread Ned Batchelder
On 1/10/14 2:43 PM, John Ladasky wrote: On Friday, January 10, 2014 9:48:43 AM UTC-8, Ned Batchelder wrote: On Python-Dev, Dan Stromberg posted this link with the results: http://stromberg.dnsalias.org/~strombrg/python-2.x-vs-3.x-survey/ That link gave me a 404. :^( Sorry, it worked when

Re: Python 2.x and 3.x usage survey

2014-01-10 Thread MRAB
On 2014-01-10 19:43, John Ladasky wrote: On Friday, January 10, 2014 9:48:43 AM UTC-8, Ned Batchelder wrote: On Python-Dev, Dan Stromberg posted this link with the results: http://stromberg.dnsalias.org/~strombrg/python-2.x-vs-3.x-survey/ That link gave me a 404. :^( It's available here:

Re: Input Error issues - Windows 7

2014-01-10 Thread Ned Batchelder
On 1/10/14 2:38 PM, bryan.kardi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm new to python and am trying to just get some basic stuff up and going. Welcome! I have a very basic module called foo It's in the following directory on my machine C:\workspace\PyFoo\src\foo In that folder is __init__.py (created auto

Re: Python 2.x and 3.x usage survey

2014-01-10 Thread John Ladasky
On Friday, January 10, 2014 9:48:43 AM UTC-8, Ned Batchelder wrote: > On Python-Dev, Dan Stromberg posted this link with the results: > > http://stromberg.dnsalias.org/~strombrg/python-2.x-vs-3.x-survey/ That link gave me a 404. :^( -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Input Error issues - Windows 7

2014-01-10 Thread bryan . kardisco
I'm new to python and am trying to just get some basic stuff up and going. I have a very basic module called foo It's in the following directory on my machine C:\workspace\PyFoo\src\foo In that folder is __init__.py (created automatically) and foo.py foo.py looks like this class foo(): de

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-10 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 10/01/2014 18:48, MRAB wrote: On 2014-01-10 18:22, Peter Pearson wrote: On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 15:14:55 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: [snip] What I find, most of the time, is that it's Americans who can't handle DST. I run an international Dungeons and Dragons campaign (we play online, and new pl

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-10 Thread MRAB
On 2014-01-10 18:22, Peter Pearson wrote: On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 15:14:55 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: [snip] What I find, most of the time, is that it's Americans who can't handle DST. I run an international Dungeons and Dragons campaign (we play online, and new players are most welcome, as are peo

Re: Python 2.x and 3.x usage survey

2014-01-10 Thread Ethan Furman
On 01/10/2014 09:36 AM, John Ladasky wrote: We have to remember to convert between the remote device's expectation of strings of bytes, and Python's expectation of strings of Unicode characters. When we forget, there can be bugs. I'm sure that I'll get used to it eventually. A useful data po

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often (was: the Gravity of Python 2)

2014-01-10 Thread Peter Pearson
On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 15:14:55 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: [snip] > What I find, most of the time, is that it's Americans who can't handle > DST. I run an international Dungeons and Dragons campaign (we play > online, and new players are most welcome, as are people watching!), > and the Aussies (myse

Re: Python 2.x and 3.x usage survey

2014-01-10 Thread Ned Batchelder
On 1/10/14 12:36 PM, John Ladasky wrote: I responded to the survey about a week ago. Dan, I hope you will share the results with us soon. I also tried to reply to this thread, but I lost the ability to post to newsgroups for about a week. It seems to have been restored, so I will try again.

Re: Python 2.x and 3.x usage survey

2014-01-10 Thread John Ladasky
I responded to the survey about a week ago. Dan, I hope you will share the results with us soon. I also tried to reply to this thread, but I lost the ability to post to newsgroups for about a week. It seems to have been restored, so I will try again. My transition from Py2 to Py3 is implicit

Re: Monkeypatching a staticmethod?

2014-01-10 Thread Piet van Oostrum
Ian Kelly writes: > I suggest defining x as a normal function and writing the assignment > as "Foo.x = staticmethod(x)" to keep x callable from the global > namespace. Or just del it after doing the monkey patch. You can use Foo.x = staticmethod(lambda: 2) -- Piet van Oostrum WWW: http://piet

[OT]All right, I'me trying, really I am

2014-01-10 Thread Mark Lawrence
It's a peanuts cartoon https://www.pinterest.com/pin/44613852532468697/ -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: unicode troubles and postgres

2014-01-10 Thread wxjmfauth
Le jeudi 9 janvier 2014 19:49:27 UTC+1, Ethan Furman a écrit : > So I'm working with postgres, and I get a datadump which I try to restore to > my test system, and I get this: > > > > ERROR: value too long for type character varying(4) > > CONTEXT: COPY res_currency, line 32, column symbol:

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-10 Thread Alister
On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 07:31:11 +, Bob Martin wrote: > in 714232 20140109 120741 Alister wrote: >>On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 07:17:25 +, Mark Lawrence wrote: >> >>> On 09/01/2014 04:14, Chris Angelico wrote: On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > I'm approaching it

Re: Constructive Criticism

2014-01-10 Thread Alister
On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 13:05:23 -0800, jeremiah valerio wrote: > On Thursday, January 9, 2014 2:54:44 PM UTC-6, Christopher Welborn > wrote: >> On 01/08/2014 11:56 PM, jeremiahvalerio...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> > Hi, hows it going I've been self teaching myself python, and i typed >> > up this small