Re: Some thoughts about Pyramid

I think the criticisms in the post -- and their defense here -- are really important. I've had the same struggles. While many are not technically valid , they appear to be so because of the documentation and positioning of pyramid. Pyramid is really powerful framework, but its also quite low-lev

Re: Some thoughts about Pyramid

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 23:27, Mike Orr wrote: > It's absolutely a legitimate point, and it's what I've been concerned > about for the past several months.  It's why I'm writing the Pyramid > Migration Guide and Akhet (the successor to pyramid_sqla) -- both to > be released hopefully by PyCon. Hi

Re: Some thoughts about Pyramid

Hi :) Well, I'm pretty sure that the pylonsproject ecosystem would love to have more and more people who identifies with the ideas of the project. I mean, it doesn't need to be a 100% match, but there's have to have some. Seriously, just because you didn't feel at home it doesn't mean you can sta

Re: Some thoughts about Pyramid

On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 17:57 -0600, Joe Dallago wrote: > So the thing we can carry away from this discussion is that we should > improve Pyramid's "new user" experience, with tutorials and perhaps > some defaults for basic functionality. "We hold these truths to be self evident..." - C > > On T

Re: Some thoughts about Pyramid

So the thing we can carry away from this discussion is that we should improve Pyramid's "new user" experience, with tutorials and perhaps some defaults for basic functionality. On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Mike Orr wrote: > On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:22 AM, danjac...@gmail.com > wrote: >> I'm

Re: Tutorials

On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 17:45 -0500, Mark Ramm wrote: > > A countervailing opinion: pip has problems with namespace packages. For > > an example, trying to use tox (a testing package which uses pip > > internally) to run tests against a namespace package (like > > repoze.anything) consistently fails

Re: Tutorials

> A countervailing opinion: pip has problems with namespace packages.  For > an example, trying to use tox (a testing package which uses pip > internally) to run tests against a namespace package (like > repoze.anything) consistently fails.  I haven't had time (or > inclination) to dig into this pu

Re: Tutorials

On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 14:36 -0800, Mike Orr wrote: > On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:43 AM, drebbin wrote: > > Side note: as somebody in some mailing list mentioned, distribute and pip is > > the new hotness. I used them successfully in the tutorials, maybe you can > > update the narrative. > > That's

pyramid_jinja2 0.6.1 released

Just released pyramid_jinja2 0.6.1. Download url: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pyramid_jinja2 Changes specific to this release... - Asset-based loading now takes precedence and does not require "asset:" prefix - Fixed the "current" package mechanism of asset: loading so that it more accura

Re: Tutorials

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:43 AM, drebbin wrote: > Side note: as somebody in some mailing list mentioned, distribute and pip is > the new hotness. I used them successfully in the tutorials, maybe you can > update the narrative. That's still evolving. Distutils2 is the new future hotness but it's

Re: Some thoughts about Pyramid

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:22 AM, danjac...@gmail.com wrote: > I'm not sure the OP is trolling, it comes across as frustration. It's absolutely a legitimate point, and it's what I've been concerned about for the past several months. It's why I'm writing the Pyramid Migration Guide and Akhet (the

Re: Some thoughts about Pyramid

On 3/3/11 10:59 AM, Stephen Lacy wrote: Yeah, but encapsulation (a well-written API) and dependencies are totally orthogonal. One could write a dependency-less framework that provided sensible, minimal, yet functional components, and *still* provided a really clean API and way for developers to

pylons-discuss and pylons-devel

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Mike Orr wrote: > On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 1:03 AM, drebbin wrote: >> Hi all, >> I am joining this community because of an interest in Pyramid -- about which >> I had posted an issue in the pylons-devel list. Now I notice that that list >> is only scarcely visited,

Re: url-based authentication methods with pyramid

On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 08:41 -0800, T Ixioides wrote: > Hi, > > I have a project where both humans and bots need to authenticate, but > I don't know where to start with this new pyramid framework. > > In my case, bots will only retrieve URLs starting with /bots/ and > other URLs are reserved for

Re: Some thoughts about Pyramid

On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 10:59 -0800, Stephen Lacy wrote: > Yeah, but encapsulation (a well-written API) and dependencies are > totally orthogonal. > > One could write a dependency-less framework that provided sensible, > minimal, yet functional components, and *still* provided a really > clean API

Re: Fwd: Some thoughts about Pyramid

On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 18:22 +, danjac...@gmail.com wrote: > I'm not sure the OP is trolling, it comes across as frustration. While > some of the things he points out are unfair and suggest unfamiliarity > with certain aspects of the framework, there are some valid points in > here as well: > >

Re: Some thoughts about Pyramid

Yeah, but encapsulation (a well-written API) and dependencies are totally orthogonal. One could write a dependency-less framework that provided sensible, minimal, yet functional components, and *still* provided a really clean API and way for developers to hook in external implementations. Lines l

Re: Some thoughts about Pyramid

Essentially what I am giving is a real world example of the concept of encapsulation, which is something that every programmer should value.* On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Joe Dallago wrote: > I just thought that I would chime in and say that the > "dependency-heavy" model that Pyramid uses is

Re: Some thoughts about Pyramid

I just thought that I would chime in and say that the "dependency-heavy" model that Pyramid uses is not a new one. Look at Linux, arguably the largest open source project in existence right now, it is hard to find a package that doesn't have 10 dependencies. Linux does this b/c it is efficient, an

Re: Some thoughts about Pyramid

On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 09:39 -0800, Stephen Lacy wrote: > Okay, chiming in here. :) Yeah, this is my post. I've been pretty > quiet here. > > Sorry for the somewhat negative tone, as you can imagine, the post was > written after spending several hours digging through a very large > amount of th

Fwd: Some thoughts about Pyramid

I'm not sure the OP is trolling, it comes across as frustration. While some of the things he points out are unfair and suggest unfamiliarity with certain aspects of the framework, there are some valid points in here as well: 1. The usage of traversal vs dispatch. It's unclear even to those quite f

Re: Some thoughts about Pyramid

On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 09:31 -0800, Ben Bangert wrote: > On Mar 3, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Chris McDonough wrote: > > > Sounds like (s)he is blowing off a little steam. All of these points > > are addressed in > > http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid/1.0/designdefense.html . > > Indeed, my co

Re: Some thoughts about Pyramid

Okay, chiming in here. :) Yeah, this is my post. I've been pretty quiet here. Sorry for the somewhat negative tone, as you can imagine, the post was written after spending several hours digging through a very large amount of the Pyramid source code trying to figure out the answer to what seemed

Re: Some thoughts about Pyramid

On Mar 3, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Chris McDonough wrote: > Sounds like (s)he is blowing off a little steam. All of these points > are addressed in > http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid/1.0/designdefense.html . Indeed, my comment is awaiting moderation on the blog, I cited that URL as well.

Re: Some thoughts about Pyramid

I suggest to rename this thread "Some trolls about Pyramid" -- Gael On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 6:54 AM, Peter Alexis wrote: > Just happened to see a blog about Pyramid, > > http://slacy.com/blog/2011/02/why-im-unhappy-with-the-pyramid-web-framework/ > > -- > You received this message because you are

Re: Some thoughts about Pyramid

On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 03:54 -0800, Peter Alexis wrote: > Just happened to see a blog about Pyramid, > > http://slacy.com/blog/2011/02/why-im-unhappy-with-the-pyramid-web-framework/ Sounds like (s)he is blowing off a little steam. All of these points are addressed in http://docs.pylonsproject.org

Some thoughts about Pyramid

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url-based authentication methods with pyramid

Hi, I have a project where both humans and bots need to authenticate, but I don't know where to start with this new pyramid framework. In my case, bots will only retrieve URLs starting with /bots/ and other URLs are reserved for humans. I would like humans to authenticate with forms but bots onl

Tutorials

Hi all, I am new to Pyramid and in the last days I was studying the handbook. When I tried out the tutorials, an issue came up. Tutorial "wiki1" tells after installing Pyramid itself to install more components [1]