RE: [OT] Holy Crap! :Lebanon vs Palestine ?

2007-05-22 Thread Adam Buckland
Sorry Michael, I didn't realise it had to be. If we have to find some reasons I guess, that because I didn't vote for him, because he can't stand and chew gum at the same time, because he can't east a pretzel properly, ride a bike, has to ask to take a toilet break, has given the US the largest d

Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-22 Thread Alan Bourke
What's this? WiFi is going to melt our heads now? Admmit, after we all narrowly escaped getting fried by mobile phones. Pffft. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of

Re: FPW 2.6 Change default printer in Vista

2007-05-22 Thread Alan Bourke
Well, WIN.INI is certainly still there in Vista, it has to be for 16-bit application support. I can't vouch for changing the default printer using the method you mentioned though. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http:/

RE: VFP9-SQL

2007-05-22 Thread Dave Crozier
Sytze, Sys(3055) is what you need I think. "If you receive the error Insufficient stack space (Error 1308) or SQL: Statement too long (Error 1812), you can increase the FOR and WHERE clause complexity to help prevent the error. For example, calling TABLEUPDATE( ) for a local table or view tha

RE: [OT] Need a name for a new dog

2007-05-22 Thread Dave Crozier
How about Deefer As in D for dog? Dave Crozier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Russell Sent: 22 May 2007 03:52 To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: [OT] Need a name for a new dog I am having a hard time finding a new name for a lit

RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Allen
Someone said that wifi was pretty bad and I think some schools have banned it. More harmful than mobile phones it said. Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions Sent: 22 May 2007 03:41 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [NF]

Form Builder Control

2007-05-22 Thread Robert Jennings
Hi, Does anyone know a good Form Builder control that I can drop into an VFP7 application/exe? I've googled but almost all I see are .NET controls I guess the forms can be HTML or whatever the Form Builder format is but my only requirement is that it need to be easy to use. TIA Robert --

RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Tristan Leask
That Panorama show was utter crap. A lot of scare mongering! There is nothing wrong with Wifi. Tristan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen Posted At: 22 May 2007 10:25 Posted To: Profox Archive Conversation: [NF] Cities struggle with w

Re: [NF] Permutation/Probabiliy question (WAS UMPC future prediction....what do you think?)

2007-05-22 Thread Peter Cushing
Paul Newton wrote: > No takers ? OK is there a general solution to this type of problem: > > Four counters (Red, Green, Blue, Yellow) > 24 distinct ways of arranging them. > 1 correct arrangement (say Red, Green, Blue, Yellow) > How are the incorrect arrangements distributed (what is the probablit

RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Allen
Where did you get that from ? Another panorama show ? :) Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tristan Leask Sent: 22 May 2007 11:49 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet That Panorama show was utt

RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Tristan Leask
This programme... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/6674675.stm This response says it all really. That the programme creators are talking tosh... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6676129.stm Tristan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Allen
Didn’t they also say there is no link to mobile phones and health. I think its inverse scare mongering myself. What with radio phones, cell phones, wifi, radio and tv, there is so much radiation around it cant be that good for us. Says me with all that and more in the house. Allen -Original M

Re: [NF] Permutation/Probabiliy question (WAS UMPC future prediction....what do you think?)

2007-05-22 Thread Paul Newton
Peter Cushing wrote: > Paul Newton wrote: > >> No takers ? OK is there a general solution to this type of problem: >> >> Four counters (Red, Green, Blue, Yellow) >> 24 distinct ways of arranging them. >> 1 correct arrangement (say Red, Green, Blue, Yellow) >> How are the incorrect arrangements

Re: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Alan Bourke
Allen wrote: > there is so much radiation around it cant be that good > for us. Why is radiation necessarily bad for you? Radiation from electronics probably has tiny effects. Solar radiation is good for you in moderation, isn't it? ___ Post Messages

Re: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Paul Newton
Allen wrote: > Didn’t they also say there is no link to mobile phones and health. I think > its inverse scare mongering myself. What with radio phones, cell phones, > wifi, radio and tv, there is so much radiation around it cant be that good > for us. Says me with all that and more in the house. >

RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Tristan Leask
I'm never wrong! And my tinfoil hat tells me this! Tristan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Newton Posted At: 22 May 2007 12:00 Posted To: Profox Archive Conversation: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet Subject: Re: [NF] Ci

Re: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Paul Newton
Alan Bourke wrote: > Allen wrote: > >> there is so much radiation around it cant be that good >> for us. >> > Why is radiation necessarily bad for you? Radiation from electronics > probably has tiny effects. Solar radiation is good for you in > moderation, isn't it? > Depends on which

Re: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Alan Bourke
This sort of reminds me about how, in the days of CRT monitors, how we were all going to die from monitor radiation. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list:

Re: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Paul Newton
Tristan Leask wrote: > I'm never wrong! And my tinfoil hat tells me this! > I didn't say you were wrong I said you are probably "wrong". There is a difference between wrong and "wrong" > > > Tristan > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behal

Re: [NF] Permutation/Probabiliy question (WAS UMPC future prediction....what do you think?)

2007-05-22 Thread Peter Cushing
Paul Newton wrote: > Peter > > I sent an enquiry about this problem to the Universities of Oxford, > Cambridge and Bristol (my alma mater). Only Bristol have replied (so > far). I would say that the solution is non-trivial but I found it > interesting and pretty much understandable. I can for

[NF] Permutation/Probability question

2007-05-22 Thread Garry Bettle
On 5/21/07, Paul Newton wrote: > No takers ? OK is there a general solution to this type of problem: > > Four counters (Red, Green, Blue, Yellow) > 24 distinct ways of arranging them. > 1 correct arrangement (say Red, Green, Blue, Yellow) > How are the incorrect arrangements distributed (what is t

Re: [NF] Permutation/Probabiliy question (WAS UMPC future prediction....what do you think?)

2007-05-22 Thread Paul Newton
Peter Cushing wrote: > Paul Newton wrote: > >> Peter >> >> I sent an enquiry about this problem to the Universities of Oxford, >> Cambridge and Bristol (my alma mater). Only Bristol have replied (so >> far). I would say that the solution is non-trivial but I found it >> interesting and pret

Re: [NF] Permutation/Probability question

2007-05-22 Thread Paul Newton
Garry Bettle wrote: > On 5/21/07, Paul Newton wrote: > >> No takers ? OK is there a general solution to this type of problem: >> >> Four counters (Red, Green, Blue, Yellow) >> 24 distinct ways of arranging them. >> 1 correct arrangement (say Red, Green, Blue, Yellow) >> How are the incorrect ar

RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Allen
I know I died from it. :) Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: 22 May 2007 13:05 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet This sort of reminds me about how, in the days of CRT monit

RE: [OT] Holy Crap! :Lebanon vs Palestine ?

2007-05-22 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
People need a scapegoat. Its easier then facing facts. Virgil Bierschwale http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com http://www.jobsforourfuture.com/index.php -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 1:31 AM To

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-22 Thread Ed Leafe
On May 21, 2007, at 11:09 PM, Nicholas Geti wrote: >> Let's make it easier for you to understand, I know it will be hard to >> stretch you imagination, but give it a try. >> >> We (a very powerful country) have invaded USA to set you free from >> this >> terrorist leader Sad... sorry, Dubya. >>

Re: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Ray Heilman
>On 5/22/07, Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >I know I died from it. :) > >Allen > She turned me into a newt... ...I got better RayTheOtherRay <>< --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___

[OT] Path to national suicide

2007-05-22 Thread Robert Calco
Stick a fork in the Union if this bill passes. Or in any case, turn and twist it---it seems already to have been inserted some time ago. - Bob ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Sub

Re: [OT] Holy Crap! :Lebanon vs Palestine ?

2007-05-22 Thread Pete Theisen
On Tuesday 22 May 2007 3:43 am, Adam Buckland wrote: > Sorry Michael, I didn't realise it had to be. > > If we have to find some reasons I guess, that because I didn't vote for > him, because he can't stand and chew gum at the same time, because he > can't east a pretzel Hi Adam! I am a kindred s

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-22 Thread Pete Theisen
On Tuesday 22 May 2007 7:42 am, Ed Leafe wrote: > To Americans looking at Iraq, these > people are "insurgents" who need to be destroyed. To the occupied > Iraqis, though, these people are heroes fighting against the foreign > invaders. Hi Ed! It's not that simple. Iraqis have been killing each o

Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-22 Thread MB Software Solutions
Alan Bourke wrote: > What's this? WiFi is going to melt our heads now? Admmit, after we all > narrowly escaped getting fried by mobile phones. > > Pffft. > Some weren't that lucky--and didn't escape getting fried. -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolut

RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-22 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
Now this is where I disagree. We do not have to force our democracy on anybody and I'm against that. If they want us there, we will be there, but if they don't want us there, we shouldn't be there. As for the oil. We're supposed to be the good guy's. If we don't have the oil that we need, then we

Re: [OT] Path to national suicide

2007-05-22 Thread Pete Theisen
On Tuesday 22 May 2007 7:52 am, Robert Calco wrote: > > > Stick a fork in the Union if this bill passes. Or in any case, turn > and twist it---it seems already to have been inserted some time ago. Hi Bob! Yes, amnesty is the wrong ap

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-22 Thread Pete Theisen
On Tuesday 22 May 2007 8:26 am, Pete Theisen wrote: > On Tuesday 22 May 2007 7:42 am, Ed Leafe wrote: > > To Americans looking at Iraq, these > > people are "insurgents" who need to be destroyed. To the occupied > > Iraqis, though, these people are heroes fighting against the foreign > > invaders.

RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Michael Hawksworth
As TVs give off radiation as well as use up power causing the world to boil ;) then watching Panorama could kill you! That said their programmes are usually pretty good and the recent program on Scientologists was great (unless you are a scientologist that is!) Regards Michael Hawksworth -Or

Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-22 Thread Ted Roche
On 5/21/07, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Seems a damn freakin' shame to waste a cookie. There are lots of > computer programmers in who would just LOVE to > have _part_ of a cookie, you know. Texas. Chicago. Cupertino. Vermont. -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http

Re: UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-22 Thread Ted Roche
On 5/21/07, MB Software Solutions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After seeing them used at DisneyWorld some years ago, That's interesting. What were they used for there? > and certainly easier to hold (like a > video game controller!) as opposed to having to hold a laptop sized > unit. It's a LAP

Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-22 Thread MB Software Solutions
Ted Roche wrote: > On 5/21/07, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Seems a damn freakin' shame to waste a cookie. There are lots of >> computer programmers in who would just LOVE to >> have _part_ of a cookie, you know. >> > > Texas. Chicago. Cupertino. Vermont. > > >

RE: [NF] Lightweight Task Manager

2007-05-22 Thread henry.dagher
I like this one http://www.beiley.com/remind-me/index.html Henry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Jarvis Sent: 2007-05-18 5:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [NF] Lightweight Task Manager Can someone recommend a nicely feature

Re: UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-22 Thread MB Software Solutions
Ted Roche wrote: > On 5/21/07, MB Software Solutions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> After seeing them used at DisneyWorld some years ago, >> > > That's interesting. What were they used for there? > They were doing surveys. > I worked with a company a few years ago that used TabletPCs f

RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Michael Hawksworth
I did and came back a Zombie... ask my wife if you want proof! Regards Michael Hawksworth -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: 22 May 2007 12:05 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet T

Re: [NF] Looking for old Windows 2000 Pro and Windows 2000 Server ISO images

2007-05-22 Thread Man-wai Chang
> Thank you! Any advice on how to determine if I have downloaded a valid > ISO image vs. an image with spyware? maybe I am/was lucky, I have never downloaded a bad en Window$. Not too sure about those Taiwan or China ISOs. :) -- .~.http://changmw.homeip.net / v \ May the Force and Fa

Re: UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-22 Thread Derek Kalweit
> Wish I had a few spare thousand dollars to invest in one and design a > simple little app add-in for FabMate for it (...but at present, there's > a payroll to meet, so that "fun" will have to wait!). Find a customer that wants it, get them to fund the unit, develop the little app giving them a l

RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Jim Dettman
Alan, No one really knows that we haven't. Cancer in all forms is on the rise as are other things such as Autism. Interesting study done not to long ago in the state of Texas. They mapped the number of cases of Autism across the state and then compared that to the most heavily industrialized

Re: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Alan Bourke
Jim Dettman wrote: > Who's to say with 100% certainty that monitors have not caused > health problems? Nobody for sure Jim, but it's the usual perception of risk thing and a tiny, tiny risk. Everyone in our office once had those smoked-glass screen covers, yet half of them smoked. The BSE (mad

Re: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Alan Bourke
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/22/wifi_science_bunk/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable

Re: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Ed Leafe
On May 22, 2007, at 10:12 AM, Alan Bourke wrote: >> Who's to say with 100% certainty that monitors have not caused >> health problems? > > Nobody for sure Jim, but it's the usual perception of risk thing and a > tiny, tiny risk. Everyone in our office once had those smoked-glass > screen covers,

Re: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Peter Cushing
Ed Leafe wrote: > IOW, worrying about these one-in-a-billion possibilities is far, far more > damaging than > just getting on and enjoying your life. > I'll drink to that ;-) Peter ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance:

Find out when a cursor is closing?

2007-05-22 Thread Steve Ellenoff
I'm working on an inherited project and there's a bug I'm trying to track down where a cursor is expected to be open as the app is exiting, but it's closed already. Easily handled by just bracketing the code with IF USED("tempout"), but I want to find out why this used to work before and no lon

RE: Find out when a cursor is closing?

2007-05-22 Thread Bill Arnold
Steve, I've seen this happen when a data environment creeps into a form unbeknownst to me Bill > I'm working on an inherited project and there's a bug I'm trying to > track down where a cursor is expected to be open as the app is > exiting, but it's closed already. Easily handled by just bra

Re: Find out when a cursor is closing?

2007-05-22 Thread Richard Kaye
Put SET("DataSession") in your debug window. Steve Ellenoff wrote: > Anyone have a suggestion how I can track this down? > -- Richard Kaye Vice President Artfact/RFC Systems Voice: 617.219.1038 Fax: 617.219.1001 For the fastest response time, please send your support queries to: Technical

Re: Find out when a cursor is closing?

2007-05-22 Thread Alan Bourke
If it's breaking unexpectedly it may be due to the datasession being switched for some reason. I'd use set asserts on assert used("mycursor") Then when used("mycursor") is .F. you will get a set of choices and you can continue on if you know it's not in the area you want to be checking.

Rant about the management of the Foxpro magazines

2007-05-22 Thread Steve Ellenoff
It's been well covered how completely annoying the almost monthly "Renew Now or Else" letters we get for FoxTalk subscription is, but what I have recently learned is how equally annoying it is that the reverse happened to me for Foxpro Advisor and on several occasions over the years. My subscri

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-22 Thread Pete Theisen
On Tuesday 22 May 2007 8:23 am, Virgil Bierschwale wrote: > Now this is where I disagree. > > We do not have to force our democracy on anybody Hi Virgil! We take democracy with us wherever we go. We don't have to impose democracy, however, just order. > But since Iraq controls so much oil they

Re: Find out when a cursor is closing?

2007-05-22 Thread MB Software Solutions
Steve Ellenoff wrote: > I'm working on an inherited project and there's a bug I'm trying to > track down where a cursor is expected to be open as the app is > exiting, but it's closed already. Easily handled by just bracketing > the code with IF USED("tempout"), but I want to find out why this

Re: Find out when a cursor is closing?

2007-05-22 Thread MB Software Solutions
Bill Arnold wrote: > Steve, I've seen this happen when a data environment creeps into a form > unbeknownst to me > These kinds of "creepy stories" always steered me away from using the DE. -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com

Re: Find out when a cursor is closing?

2007-05-22 Thread Ed Leafe
On May 22, 2007, at 12:03 PM, MB Software Solutions wrote: > Bill Arnold wrote: >> Steve, I've seen this happen when a data environment creeps into a >> form >> unbeknownst to me >> > These kinds of "creepy stories" always steered me away from using > the DE. Seriously? Do you think t

[NF] society as it really is

2007-05-22 Thread srussell
Why you can't give linux away to the desktop community. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/

Re: Find out when a cursor is closing?

2007-05-22 Thread Derek Kalweit
> > Anyone have a suggestion how I can track this down? > Trace into that "un-related" section...there's gotta be something. > Perhaps a DataEnvironment closing it, another class object that's got a > CLEAR ALL or CLOSE of some sort, etc. Is the cursor in the Default > data session or a Private

RE: Find out when a cursor is closing?

2007-05-22 Thread Bill Arnold
> > Steve, I've seen this happen when a data environment creeps into a > > form unbeknownst to me > > > These kinds of "creepy stories" always steered me away from > using the DE. I have burned more then a few hours over those "creepy" DE's! I do like private DE's for data entry forms e.g.

Re: Find out when a cursor is closing?

2007-05-22 Thread MB Software Solutions
Ed Leafe wrote: > On May 22, 2007, at 12:03 PM, MB Software Solutions wrote: > > >> Bill Arnold wrote: >> >>> Steve, I've seen this happen when a data environment creeps into a >>> form >>> unbeknownst to me >>> >>> >> These kinds of "creepy stories" always steered me away from usi

Re: [NF] society as it really is

2007-05-22 Thread Ed Leafe
On May 22, 2007, at 12:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Why you can't give linux away to the desktop community. Wow, you actually consider that impartial? -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com _

RE: Find out when a cursor is closing?

2007-05-22 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
Just type "set" in the command window and it will show you everything as its opened and closed when debugging Virgil Bierschwale http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com http://www.jobsforourfuture.com/index.php -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

Re: Find out when a cursor is closing?

2007-05-22 Thread MB Software Solutions
Bill Arnold wrote: >>> Steve, I've seen this happen when a data environment creeps into a >>> form unbeknownst to me >>> >>> >> These kinds of "creepy stories" always steered me away from >> using the DE. >> > > > I have burned more then a few hours over those "creepy" DE's! > > I

RE: Find out when a cursor is closing?

2007-05-22 Thread Bill Arnold
> Just type "set" in the command window and it will show you > everything as its opened and closed when debugging BTW, does anyone know how (if?) the Data Session window can be added to the debugger? I'd rather see that then LOCALS, which I never use. Bill > > Virgil Bierschwale _

Re: [NF] society as it really is

2007-05-22 Thread Derek Kalweit
> > > > > > Why you can't give linux away to the desktop community. > Wow, you actually consider that impartial? Who cares if it's impartial? It only matters that many of those points are dead-on. -- Derek _

Re: [NF] society as it really is

2007-05-22 Thread Vince Teachout
Ed Leafe wrote: > On May 22, 2007, at 12:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> >> >> Why you can't give linux away to the desktop community. > > Wow, you actually consider that impartial? Huh. I thought the article had several good points. -- Vinc

RE: Find out when a cursor is closing?

2007-05-22 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
I use it all the time with the debugger. I don't believe you can attach it to the debugger windows.. Just type set in the command window before you start debugging. Then put set step on in the module you want to work on. When the debugger window opens, click on the normal foxpro tab at the bottom

Re: [NF] society as it really is

2007-05-22 Thread Ed Leafe
On May 22, 2007, at 12:33 PM, Derek Kalweit wrote: >> Wow, you actually consider that impartial? > > Who cares if it's impartial? It only matters that many of those points > are dead-on. Um, if something is slanted, then that means that the points are not "dead-on". The

Re: [NF] society as it really is

2007-05-22 Thread Ed Leafe
On May 22, 2007, at 12:35 PM, Vince Teachout wrote: >> Wow, you actually consider that impartial? > > Huh. I thought the article had several good points. The "too many choices" argument is about as bogus as you can get. Most Windows users can't even name one. They don't try to swi

RE: [NF] society as it really is

2007-05-22 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
You're missing two very important points Software. I use quicken home and business the majority of my time. I use qcharts or esignal for trading Competency The majority of people cannot even program their vcr or clock radio. Do you really think they will make the effort that converting to linux

[NF] Summer Hols

2007-05-22 Thread John Weller
Hi Guys, I'm off for the summer on my boat so will be unsubscribing, back in the autumn (fall?). Thanks for all your help. John Weller 01380 723235 07976 393631 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailma

Re: Find out when a cursor is closing?

2007-05-22 Thread MB Software Solutions
Bill Arnold wrote: > > >> Just type "set" in the command window and it will show you >> everything as its opened and closed when debugging >> > > > BTW, does anyone know how (if?) the Data Session window can be added to > the debugger? I'd rather see that then LOCALS, which I never use.

Re: [NF] Summer Hols

2007-05-22 Thread MB Software Solutions
John Weller wrote: > Hi Guys, > > I'm off for the summer on my boat so will be unsubscribing, back in the > autumn (fall?). Thanks for all your help. > > Enjoy, John! -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com "Work smarter, not

RE: [NF] Summer Hols

2007-05-22 Thread Allen
I would not want to work his hours. Too long :) Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions Sent: 22 May 2007 18:49 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Summer Hols John Weller wrote: > Hi Guys, > > I'm off for the sum

Re: [OT] Path to national suicide

2007-05-22 Thread Michael Madigan
Two Iraqi spies met in a busy restaurant after they had successfully slipped into the U.S. The first spy starts speaking in Arabic. The second spy hushes him quickly and whispers: "Don't blow our cover. You're in America now, speak Spanish." _

Re: [NF] Summer Hols

2007-05-22 Thread MB Software Solutions
Allen wrote: > I would not want to work his hours. Too long :) > > Allen > You have to work long hours I suppose (and save up a lot of money) to be able to take the summer off! He sows in the non-summer months so he can reap the relaxation now I guess! -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Softwa

Re: [NF] society as it really is

2007-05-22 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh
On May 22, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Ed Leafe wrote: >> Why you can't give linux away to the desktop community. > > Wow, you actually consider that impartial? Well, as somebody who has arrived at the "never give M$ another dime" community, I think that the article is sorta right. My bellwether

RE: Find out when a cursor is closing?

2007-05-22 Thread Bill Arnold
> > BTW, does anyone know how (if?) the Data Session window can be added > > to the debugger? I'd rather see that then LOCALS, which I never use. > > > > As someone who's very disciplined about variable scoping, let me say > that I really like the LOCALS window! ;-) Mike, to each his own

RE: [NF] society as it really is

2007-05-22 Thread Michael Madigan
The knowledge base. People have invested thousands of hours learning Windows, they're not going to bother to learn another OS. For Linux desktop to thrive, there's going to have to be a reason to switch. For servers, there's a reason. Performance, Reliability and price. For desktops, there is

RE: [NF] Summer Hols

2007-05-22 Thread Allen
I do it another way. As I am a little older and brought my house a long time ago, I don’t have much in the way of outgoings. So I don’t need to work so hard. Which is just as well as we are now in France in a large house and grounds that takes a certain amount of time to look after. And probably mo

RE: [NF] Summer Hols

2007-05-22 Thread John Weller
I'm actually semi-retired. I have my pension and my living costs are not much more whether I am at home or on the boat. The only work I do now is maintain a small number of apps and voluntary work as honorary IT manager for a local charity. I'll take my laptop and a data card (courtesy of a clie

Re: [NF] society as it really is

2007-05-22 Thread Ray Heilman
Do you think that browsers and email clients like FireFox and Thunderbird offer enough safety, popup protection, and other features (my wife has become a fan of tabbed browsing...misses it when she goes to her part time job!) to motivate thinking outside the box at a level just below/above the OS?

Re: [NF] Summer Hols

2007-05-22 Thread paul
- Original Message - From: "John Weller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 May 2007 18:13:09 o'clock (GMT) Europe/London Subject: RE: [NF] Summer Hols I'm actually semi-retired. I have my pension and my living costs are not much more whether I am at home or on the boat.

RE: [NF] Summer Hols

2007-05-22 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
Where at on the boat ? I spent a lot of good times in the meditreanean while in the navy. Don't remember a lot of it though because when you've been out to sea for 30 days, you tend to hit the local pub when you finally get ashore. Virgil Bierschwale http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com http://www

RE: [NF] society as it really is

2007-05-22 Thread Mike Wohlrab
Actually, there is a reason to switch to Linux on the desktop environment, to be less prone to viruses, malware, spyware, blue screens of death, weird quirks that Microsoft can't or wont work out, free or really cheap... People just don't understand that there is another alternative to Windows, but

Re: [NF] society as it really is

2007-05-22 Thread Vince Teachout
Ed Leafe wrote: > On May 22, 2007, at 12:35 PM, Vince Teachout wrote: > >>> Wow, you actually consider that impartial? >> Huh. I thought the article had several good points. > > The "too many choices" argument is about as bogus as you can get. I completely disagree. Cross my heart,

Re: [NF] society as it really is

2007-05-22 Thread Michael Madigan
Firefox isn't much different than IE, but Linux is quite a bit different than Windows. --- Ray Heilman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you think that browsers and email clients like > FireFox and Thunderbird > offer enough safety, popup protection, and other > features (my wife has > become a f

RE: [NF] society as it really is

2007-05-22 Thread Michael Madigan
For it to get into the market, it has to be pre-installed on computers. There aren't many manufacturers delivering pre-installed linux. --- Mike Wohlrab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, there is a reason to switch to Linux on > the desktop environment, to be > less prone to viruses, malw

RE: [NF] Summer Hols

2007-05-22 Thread John Weller
Hi Virgil, It is a canal boat, 55ft long and 7 ft wide. I'll be touring UK, mainly in the midlands, on the canals and the River Thames. John Weller 01380 723235 07976 393631 > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Virgil Bierschwale > Sent: 2

Re: [NF] society as it really is

2007-05-22 Thread Vince Teachout
Virgil Bierschwale wrote: > For a operating system to take over the windows world, it has to be friendly > and bullet proof. > At the current time, the only one that could do it is the mac. I think MS has pretty well proven that it doesn't have to be bullet proof -- but it does have to be friend

Re: [NF] society as it really is

2007-05-22 Thread Vince Teachout
Michael Madigan wrote: > > For servers, there's a reason. Performance, > Reliability and price. > > For desktops, there is no reason to switch. If you're concerned about big bill taking over your computer, there is. But, that probably only affects a small percentage of people, and we migh

RE: [NF] Summer Hols

2007-05-22 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
I've flown through England, spent some time in Aberdeen, but I was about 17 so I don't really remember much over there. We're going to grill some ribs tonight and drink a few beers, so I'll drink one to the good life Virgil Bierschwale http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com http://www.jobsforourfut

Re: [NF] society as it really is

2007-05-22 Thread Ed Leafe
On May 22, 2007, at 1:40 PM, Vince Teachout wrote: >> The "too many choices" argument is about as bogus as you can get. > > I completely disagree. Cross my heart, that is exactly what is > holding > me back at this point. I was fairly happy with Suse, until MS > slithered > in, and now

Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-22 Thread Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
Ted Roche wrote: > On 5/21/07, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Seems a damn freakin' shame to waste a cookie. There are lots of >> computer programmers in who would just LOVE to >> have _part_ of a cookie, you know. > > Texas. Chicago. Cupertino. Vermont. Vermont? Wassamatt

Re: [NF] society as it really is

2007-05-22 Thread Derek Kalweit
> I think MS has pretty well proven that it doesn't have to be bullet > proof -- but it does have to be friendly. Linux users claim "it's not > that hard to install software - you just gzip, make, build, etc, etc." > Windoze users just want to click and install. Me, too. :-( gzip, make, find th

Interesting VFP blog post

2007-05-22 Thread Bill Anderson
Bill ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/li

RE: [NF] society as it really is

2007-05-22 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
I was using SCO Xenix with SCO Foxplus and SBT back in the mid 80's Hear it way back then too, but it was Xenix/Unix instead of Linux. Still the same ole same ole. I'm fairly proficient with computers and even I didn't want to take the time that was necessary to figure out how to install a real

RE: Interesting VFP blog post

2007-05-22 Thread Fleck, Timothy
I've worked with Mike back at Fox Software, I'm glad he finally got a chance to get that off his chest! At LA Fox User group we have been discussing eTecnologia.net for quite a while now. The VFPCompiler for .Net has some interesting speed increases. The .Net extender still is not to a production d

Re: [NF] society as it really is

2007-05-22 Thread Vince Teachout
Ed Leafe wrote: > > The article wasn't about techie types, remember? It was about the > great unwashed masses. Filtering out all people who actually think > that programming and otherwise tinkering with computers is "fun", > I'll bet that if you asked 100 people to name a Linux distrib

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