-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
I'd like to be able to reject connections from remote IP addresses if
they're from certain countries (or conversely only allow from certain
countries).
What are my options for doing this in/with postfix?
Mark.
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
On 03/10/2011 03:49 PM, Bas Mevissen wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 15:35 +0000, Mark Watts wrote:
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>>
>> I'd like to be able to reject connections from
> The idea is to prepend the 30 least significant bits of the time
> in seconds to the queue ID.
Btw, 6 more hours to the next 'pretty' decimal unix timestamp: 13
Mark
led: geoip-policyd-0.01.tar.gz
>
> With some modifications, it works quite nicely.
>
> Justin.
>
This is just what I'm looking for.
Annoyingly, the spams I was getting (they were all supposedly coming
from one particular domain) have ceased!
Thanks for all the advice,
thought of saying we can't support Windows Live Mail.
Thank you so much in advance.
Mark Moellering
class creator .com
m...@classcreator.com
These are my recipient restrictions:
smtpd_recipient_restrictions =
reject_non_fqdn_recipient,
reject_unknow
On 18-Mar-11 12:39 PM, Randy Ramsdell wrote:
Mark Moellering wrote:
I am new to postfix. I have it set it up with dovecot on a unix box
: postfix 2.8 on freebsd 8.1
While it tests fine under Thunderbird (and kde-mail), I currently
can't send mail via Windows Live, although I can recei
authorization.
Thanks again,
Mark Moellering
ad of one extra file over the process
> > lifetime.
>
> Thanks for the insight.
>
> Reported:
> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=154873
> we'll see what comes out of it.
> Mark
ZFS fix has been committed to HEAD!
| Re: standards/154873:
| ZFS viola
roxy:mysql:)
b) only regenerate the hash files when there is actually a need to (ie,
when something changes in the database) rather than every five minutes
on a schedule
c) change the schedule so that it runs less frequently
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on a laptop natively under Win7 as its only
resolver/server :)
Mark
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:39:20 -0400, Victor Duchovni
wrote:
> The receiving sites policies are stupid if they don't implement
> them sensibly by just returning 4XX responses without penalizing
> subsequent transactions.
I am sorry to hijack this thread but we have what seems to be the
same proble
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:53:11 -0400, Victor Duchovni
wrote:
> Why would this be a response to "too many recipient commands", a
> single message with many recipients is sent over a single connection,
> unless you have set an ill-advised destination recipient limit.
All _recipient_limit parameters a
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:53:11 -0400, Victor Duchovni
wrote:
> > /etc/postfix/master.cf
> > slow unix - - - - - smtp
> > -o syslog_name=postfix-slow
> > -o smtp_connection_reuse_time_limit=30s
> > EOT
> >
> > /etc/postfix/main.cf
> > slow_initial_destination
On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 18:03:29 -0400 (EDT), Wietse Venema
wrote:
> > slow unix - - - - - smtp
> > -o syslog_name=postfix-slow
> > -o default_destination_rate_delay=1s
> > -o default_destination_recipient_limit=20
> > -o smtp_connection_cache_on_demand=no
>
On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 18:03:29 -0400 (EDT), Wietse Venema
wrote:
> > slow unix - - - - - smtp
> > -o syslog_name=postfix-slow
> > -o default_destination_rate_delay=1s
> > -o default_destination_recipient_limit=20
> > -o smtp_connection_cache_on_demand=no
Hello,
The feature with the config name smtpd_reject_footer is now available for
some time. Our experience with it is that some people really read it and do
what is listed in the message provided.
How is your experience with it?
Wietse: Thank you for adding this feature!
Kind regards,
Mark
> I have no proxies and have turned off the firewall
> although the fact it works for some gmail and mindspring and not other
> is puzzling
Any Cisco firewall (ASA or PIX) on your side?
Mark
ly
new session, this RST is then seen by the remote side as an original
session reset.
Mark
ate/example.key
smtpd_tls_loglevel = 1
smtpd_tls_mandatory_ciphers = high
smtpd_tls_mandatory_exclude_ciphers = AES128, DES, MD5, aNULL
smtpd_tls_protocols = !SSLv2
smtpd_tls_security_level = may
smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtpd_scache
smtpd_use_tls = yes
Thank you,
Mark
to work).
Can I suggest you post your postconf -n to start with?
And if you've changed it at all your master.cf would help.
Be sure you're not setup as an open relay too, but let us read over
your config here on the list to help you.
My first thought from the default install would be to switch off
soft_bounce in main.cf with soft_bounce = no
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On Sun, 22 May 2011 22:00:49 -0500, Noel Jones
wrote:
> Is postfix also the client? What are the settings on that
> machine?
Client machines use Claws Mail as MUA (configured to use SMTP at 587)
and those machine have Postfix as the MTA, configured like this:
$ sudo postconf -n | grep -v '^smt
On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 19:45:17 +0200, Stéphane MERLE
wrote:
> > (I am using ubuntu 10.04LTS).
> I am a little surprised by the fact that I would be using sendmail
> #dpkg --get-selections | grep -i "sendmail"
> I got no package installed for sendmail ...
Postfix installs a pseudo-sendmail.
In Ub
ress, or a separate mail submission IP address).
More recent version should be fine.
Mark
quot; or "content-transfer-encoding"
in a header field body of some unrelated header field, such as an 'h' tag
of a DKIM signature:
http://www.arschkrebs.de/postfix/postfix_cisco_pix_bugs.shtml
Mark
ESMTP pass through
without censoring the greeting, while still exhibiting one of the header
parsing bugs - which can lead to dropping the TCP session without
a RST (but with a message in the log ... which noone reads).
Mark
ng some of the
mail from gmail.com and the like.
Mark
message. Google for
'clbuttic' for examples, and, while you're at it, look up the
"Scunthorpe problem" for some other reasons why profanity filters are
very hard to get right.
Mark
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ee my last
failed attempt in the master.cf configuration. Any help is greatly
appreciated. I am running on FreeBSD 8.1
Attached are postconf -n output and my master.cf file
Thanks in advance
Mark Moellering
Class-Creator
m...@classcreator.com
#
# Postfix master process configuration
am including my current postconf -n and master.cf entries for
completeness.
Thanks for everyone's help
Mark Moellering
#
# Postfix master process configuration file. For details on the format
# of the file, see the master(5) manual page (command: "man 5 master").
#
# Do not for
On 27-Jun-11 12:50 PM, Wietse Venema wrote:
Mark Moellering:
I am running a postfix server on Freebsd 8.1
I have multiple domains and need to set up each domain with its own TLS
certificate.
I emailed this list and the best solution seems to be to run multiple
instances.
I read through the
I was having trouble getting that to work but with your example I might
try it again...
On 27-Jun-11 3:25 PM, Christian Roessner wrote:
I have multiple domains and need to set up each domain with its own TLS
certificate.
Can you explain this a little bit more? You could add several
w1.x1.y1.
e, the simplest technical solution is to have
separate mail servers for inbound and outbound mail. That way, someone
adding a domain they don't own to the inbound server won't have any
effect on outbound mail.
Mark
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t to avoid any
interruption to mail delivery you have to add the domain to the new
destination server before you alter the MX to point it there.
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On 11/07/2011 15:21, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 11.07.2011 16:12, schrieb Mark Goodge:
On 11/07/2011 15:02, Бак Микаел wrote:
Easy!
Fix the software that your trusted users use to add their domain. Make
THAT software check that the domain's MX record points to the right
place BEFOR
t know how to do all of the above without further
instructions, then do not send bulk email from your system. If you
really must send it anyway, then outsource it. The cost of paying an
experienced, legitimate mailing service is trivial compared to the costs
of being labelled a spammer.
M
able ones then
you've got a system which is properly configured.
Mark
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 12:33:44 -0500, Stan Hoeppner
wrote:
> > Trivial fix: modify the init script to invoke "postfix start" etc.
> > instead of directly invoking the master daemon.
>
> I don't believe the current init script directly invokes the master
> daemon,
Debian/Ubuntu's current /etc/ini
?
Mark
to apply to inbound mail - that is,
interfaces from which Postfix will accept mail, not those which it uses
to send it.
Any clues, anyone?
Mark
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On 23/08/2011 14:29, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote:
* Mark Goodge:
How can I bind Postfix to only send outgoing mail via one IP address
(ie, always use the same ethernet interface)?
smtp_bind_address
Yes, I discovered that about 5 seconds after I hit "send" on the
previous email. Oh
d be equally simple in Python, Ruby, ASP or your programming
language of choice. The only complex part of it is error handling to
ensure that you don't send the same message twice to the same person or
that you don't miss anyone out if any email fails to send.
Mark
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> On Aug 23, 12:30 pm, Mark Martinec wrote:
> > Trying to install postfix on an IPv6-only host
> > FreeBSD 9.0B1,http://wiki.freebsd.org/IPv6Only
> > ports: mail/postfix-current,
> > but the installation chokes in the post-install phase.
> > Running that faili
have approx 100 lists most of them are internals.
Mailman. It just plain works.
Mark
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smtp protocol fixup
(mis)feature turned off - best to do both.
If it is entirely out of control, removing a DKIM signature
header field for mail to such site will probably help.
Ralf posted some workaround here some time ago.
Mark
und condescending. I only write to help you and others (I hope). I
also hope that as it's late here and I'm stuck with my iPhone I didn't get
anything seriously wrong. I've been using Postfix only a little over a year and
found it both interesting to learn and fun to use as I compiled each revision
with interest at the new changes made.
Wietse, hartelijk bedankt!
Mark.
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Administrator
>
>
>
Joel,
Prove it's Postfix that's rejecting your downstream mail. Show the Postfix
logs; the eventvwr log from Exchange or the log of you following the Postfix
author's suggestion of a telnet session and its output.
Did you check Curtis' suggestion too (that it's the Exchange Server that
requires configuring also)?
-- Mark Homoky.
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e postfix
> sources. But I'll amend this.
No, it's a vim syntax file IIRC. It might be useful for someone senior in
Postfix development to look this over?
>>> Sadly, it is not practical for
>> everyone to learn SSL deeply enough to understand all the warnings.
>
> I'm deeply and painfully aware of this :(
>
> Simon
+1
-- Mark Homoky.
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uthentication.
>
>
Unless I'm misunderstanding something, wouldn't that circumvent the
authentication you just introduced?
Please post logs, postconf -n configs including the both servers. When
obfuscating please be consistent rather than too enthusiastic.
-- Mark Homoky.
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nly provide outbound relaying to the Internet and do
not accept mail from the public Internet at all".
Mark
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, normal
220 mail.ijs.si ESMTP Postfix
ehlo test
250-mail.ijs.si
250-PIPELINING
250-SIZE 26214400
250-VRFY
250-ETRN
250-STARTTLS
250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
250-8BITMIME
250 DSN
quit
221 2.0.0 Bye
Mark
on
; ehlo-keyword
and neither does RFC 2821.
Mark
with 5.500 use File::Temp->new instead.
On a failure this returns a much more sensible diagnostics.
Mark
(TCP_NODELAY), or to send all the SMTP responses in one go.
Seems the postfix itself does not suffer from this problem,
only the smtp-sink.
A tcpdump packet capture is available at:
http://www.ijs.si/~mark/tmp/0.log.gz
Mark
work for commercial organisations or government bodies don't have that
choice.
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ach mail with a custom value derived from the mail
itself, using some kind of lookup or replacement method - something like
/./ PREPEND X-Test-Header: ${user}
So my question is: is there any way to do this? If so, how? Or am I
barking up completely the wrong tree here?
Mark
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On 22/11/2011 13:20, Wietse Venema wrote:
Mark Goodge:
What I'd like to do, therefore, is set a header via Postfix. But I am
having difficulty working out how to do that, or even if it's possible.
First, you must send one recipient per message, otherwise you still
won'
On 22/11/2011 14:03, Wolfgang Zeikat wrote:
In an older episode, on 2011-11-22 11:51, Mark Goodge wrote:
However, AOL's feedback system removes the recipient email address, so
I can't identify the complainer from the report.
It does not remove your server's header lines th
hange anything, as amavisd
already speaks either SMTP or LMTP, both on input and output.
Mark
ETWORKS "}"
What am I missing?
10025 inet n - n - - smtpd
-o smtpd_client_restrictions=permit_mynetworks,reject
-o mynetworks=127.0.0.0/8,[::1]
-o smtpd_client_connection_limit_exceptions=0.0.0.0/0
[...]
Mark
n understood from my posting), but that did not achieve the
goal of turning off connection limiting.
Wietse wrote:
> The problem is that postconf no longer parses parameter values
> that have their default value.
> You can work around this with an explicit [...]
> I'll roll out a correction.
Thanks!
Mark
means "We think you
might be a spammer, so we are setting you a simple test of whether you
can follow instructions". If you pass the test, then when you restart
sending then you'll be able to get everything through - it won't be
rate-limited by Yahoo.
Mark
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On 02/12/2011 14:35, Viktor Dukhovni wrote:
On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 02:23:53PM +, Mark Goodge wrote:
That makes no sense at all, surely nothing more productive will happen
when the spiggot is turned on 4 hours later with even more mail queued.
The point is that "following instruc
would get altered (and
destroyed if i hit the bug).
Set up a user on the local system, and bcc to that. That way it won't go
out through the smarthost.
Mark
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On 15/12/2011 16:58, Michael Weissenbacher wrote:
schrieb Mark Goodge:
On 15/12/2011 16:24, Michael Weissenbacher wrote:
Hi!
You can do this with recpients_bcc_maps
Well, as far as i know this just adds a "bcc" address to the message and
as a result the mail would still pass thro
;local:archive-%m';
$archive_quarantine_to = 'archive-quarantine'; # default
to be able to compare a corrupted message to what was seen
by amavisd. This would not help if a problem lies in stages
prior to or in amavisd, but at least it can help troubleshooting
later stages (SMTP output from amavisd and apache-james).
Mark
Reviving an old thread from 2011-09:
Mark Martinec:
> Trying to install postfix on an IPv6-only host
> FreeBSD 9.0B1, http://wiki.freebsd.org/IPv6Only
> ports: mail/postfix-current,
> but the installation chokes in the post-install phase.
> Running that failing command manuall
e with the
necessary ports already installed, or provide a ssh root access to such.
Mark
l/etc/postfix, no previous main.cf or master.cf files.
The problem is in the hardwired inet_protocols=ipv4 in the code,
if I remember correctly.
Mark
Sahil Tandon wrote:
> I do not believe Mark should have to jump through extra hoops, or that
> you should revert the change. This is a FreeBSD port-specific problem
> created by me that I will address as soon as I can.
Wietse Venema wrote:
> Considering the short time left bef
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:19:36 -0600, Noel Jones
wrote:
> I would classify it as low risk of false positives, and fairly safe.
> (but not 100% safe; few rules are. YMMV and such.) I've had a
> couple of FP's from idiots that run their business mail servers on a
> cablemodem with a dynamic rDNS na
On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 11:04:21 -0500, Charles Marcus
wrote:
> But I'd still be interested in seeing some example postscreen configs
> actually in use right now, by you and anyone else willing to share...
This works pretty well:
as root:
## configure Postfix to use postscreen
sed -i 's/^smtp .*s
On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:43:28 +0200, Nikolaos Milas
wrote:
> submission inet n - n - - smtpd
>-o syslog_name=postfix/submission
>-o smtpd_enforce_tls=yes
>-o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes
> ...
> Any other options (except smtpd_*) which we should also redef
On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:10:00 -0500 (EST), Wietse Venema
wrote:
> I found these with: postconf | grep '[A-Z][A-Z][A-Z]:' :-)
postconf | grep '[A-Z][A-Z][A-Z]:' :-) results in:
bash: syntax error near unexpected token `)'
... and at my system man grep refuses to show what that
last :-) switch
On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:38:48 -0700, The Doctor
wrote:
> Any issues with Berkeley DB > 4.7 with current Postfix ?
With:
libdb4.84.8.30
postfix 2.8.5
Each 4 hours we get a lot of:
(...) postfix/postscreen[]: close
database /var/lib/postfix/postsc
While using
Ubuntu 10.10
postfix 2.8.5-2
openssl 0.9.8o
Socket Layer (SSL) binary and related cryptographic tools
ii postfix 2.8.5-2~build0.10.10
High-performance
We are getting a few of these:
/var/log/mail.log:Jan 22 19:09:28 mx postfix-submission/smtpd[2797]:
c
On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 20:03:09 -0500 (EST), Wietse Venema
wrote:
> Mark Alan:
> > /var/log/mail.log:Jan 22 19:09:29 mx postfix-submission/smtpd[2797]:
> > warning: TLS library problem:2797:error:1408A10B:SSL
> > routines:SSL3_GET_CLIENT_HELLO:wrong version number:s3_srvr.c:7
Hello,
Regarding the config option:
postscreen_access_list = static:retry
And considering that:
1) "Permanent white/blacklist for remote SMTP client
IP addresses. postscreen(8) searches this list immediately after a
remote SMTP client connects."
2) static is a valid lookup table type
3) t
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 21:09:21 +, Viktor Dukhovni
wrote:
> > Is there any other way to make the postscreen/postfix combination
> > temporarily defer all incoming emails with '450 4.3.2 Service
> > currently unavailable' (in order to give us some time to migrate
> > the postfix server to some ot
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 21:50:52 +, Viktor Dukhovni
wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 09:26:42PM +0000, Mark Alan wrote:
>
> > > > Is there any other way to make the postscreen/postfix
> > > > combination temporarily defer all incoming emails with '450
> >
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:17:17 -0500 (EST), Wietse Venema
wrote:
> Mark Alan:
> > > > Would the following be an acceptable way to do it?
> > > > postconf -e 'postscreen_access_list = reject'
> > > > postconf -e 'soft_bounce = yes
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 06:17:39 -0600, Noel Jones
wrote:
> You need to set both "postscreen_blacklist_action = drop" and
> "soft_bounce = yes". The soft_bounce changes the 521 hangup into a
> 421 hangup.
Thank you Noel,
If we wanted a mere 4.x.x hangup, it would be more elegant to set a
single 'm
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:06:15 -0500 (EST), Wietse Venema
wrote:
> The hardest part of support on this mailing list is
> to get a precise spec that does not conflict with itself.
> Once we have that, configuration is not hard at all.
Sometimes we only know what we need when we push the email
clien
access). Try recompiling/reinstalling.
> Feb 1 10:21:15 D1OKH680RL postfix/master[11324]: daemon started -- version
> 2.7.2-RC2, configuration /etc/postfix
2.7.2-RC2 ?
Preferably install some officially released version
like 2.7.7, or 2.8.8 or 2.9.0.
Mark
ailto:postfix-users@postfix.org>
List-Help: <http://www.postfix.org/lists.html>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majord...@postfix.org>
List-Subscribe: <mailto:majord...@postfix.org>
In Thunderbird, I use (To|Cc|From) contains 'postfix-users@postfix.org'.
Mark
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from the default).
In particular, if you have a process called "RECEIVING MAIL" (as in
"FILTERS WHILE RECEIVING MAIL") then logically, one would expect
Received headers be added after that process is complete, as until it is
complete the mail has not yet been receive
er mail
servers (including Hotmail).
If you are considering using sender verification, you should read the
online documentation and only use it if you fully understand what you
are doing and the potential consequences:
http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_VERIFICATION_README.html and
Mark
l block it.
If you have reject_unknown_sender_domain already configured and that
isn't blocking the mail, then missing MX records are not the reason why
you are unable to deliver the DSN to your customer.
What do your logs say when your server tries to deliver the DSN?
Mark
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deliver to.
Your customer has probably got some kind of misconfiguration, but that
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tions. smtpd_sender_restrictions is necessary, because
otherwise I would end up as an open relay, right?
Thank you
Mark
there is one comma missing after reject_rbl_client bl.spamcop.net, that's fixed
of course.
- Original Message -
From: Mark S
To: "postfix-users@postfix.org"
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 7:28 PM
Subject: postfix configuration verification
Hi all,
I am totally
= hash:/etc/postfix/my-valiases
--Mark
Hi,
thank you so much for your valuable input!
> Commas are irrelevant, just another of several forms of whitespace.
> "Postfix main.cf file format" is at the very top of this very long
> manual:
>
> http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html
thanks!
> > I am totally new to the mail server busine
Thank you so much for your valuable advice. (Yeah, I really mean it. Thank you
so much!!!)
Here's my new config:
sudo postconf -n
alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases
always_add_missing_headers = yes
biff = no
config_directory = /etc/postfix
disable_vrfy_command = yes
home_mailbox = Maildir/
mailbox_s
be appriciated.
Mark
implement. It will also make your code platform
independent, should you ever want (or need) to use a different MTA
(possibly in response to a client request or an installation on a legacy
system).
Mark
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I managed to get multiple SSL certs working on multiple virtual
IPs on the same server so vhost domains appeared to be completely
independent from the base server. I'd like an opinion as to whether
this is the right or best way to do this... domain1.com = 12.34.56.78
/etc/postfix/master.cf
12.34.
On 16/04/12 21:57, DTNX Postmaster wrote:
> I would not bother with prettifying headers or SMTP transaction
> output that is generally only seen by automated systems,
It's mainly for "vanity" virtual hosting so our clients can be
assured they have their own fully branded mail service.
More import
On 16/04/12 23:13, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> More importantly, with the -o myhostname=domain1.com they can
>> fully pass any hardfail SPF test
>
> this has nothing to do with the hostname
True from a fail/pass SPF inspection by the remote mailserver but
not from a support techie eyeball point of vie
On 16/04/12 23:14, Wietse Venema wrote:
>> 12.34.56.78:smtp inet n - - - - smtpd
>> -o myhostname=domain1.com
>
> This change all SMTP server responses that depend on the
> myhostname settings.
>
>> Any thoughts or suggestions on how to improve this strategy?
>
> Use separate MTA instances.
FW
On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:42:20 -0400 (EDT), Wietse Venema
wrote:
> So, TLSv1.2 is giving trouble.
> ...
> Works with OpenSSL 1.0.1a with "smtp_tls_protocols = !TLSv1.2":
> ...
> So it is a good thing that I put out those updates today.
> ...
> Which leaves me wondering how other MTAs deal with this
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