Re: distribution issues with Postfix

2010-07-08 Thread Jeroen Geilman
On 07/08/2010 06:10 PM, Phil Howard wrote: On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 10:40, markus reichelt wrote: ALso, I can only stress what has been said already: get your distro shit together; go along with your hunch about slackware, ask slackware specific questions on a slackware mailinglist/usenet gr

Re: distribution issues with Postfix

2010-07-08 Thread Joe
Phil Howard wrote: > I wanted to get input on it. I'm still on the fence about making that > change at work. The kind of input I was hoping was something that > indicated general ease of setup from an administrative perspective. > If the feedback with Ubuntu is that it works fine, then I'd consid

Re: distribution issues with Postfix

2010-07-08 Thread Phil Howard
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 15:04, markus reichelt wrote: > * Phil Howard wrote: > > A single user scares you? Good heavens. > >> So what was my question specific to, if not Postfix?  It certainly >> was not specific to any distro.  Postfix was the common element. > > You are looking for the silver bu

Re: distribution issues with Postfix

2010-07-08 Thread markus reichelt
* Phil Howard wrote: A single user scares you? Good heavens. > So what was my question specific to, if not Postfix? It certainly > was not specific to any distro. Postfix was the common element. You are looking for the silver bullet in times when there's only a golden child. (pardon my pun)

Re: distribution issues with Postfix

2010-07-08 Thread Phil Howard
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:15, N. Yaakov Ziskind wrote: > (I've installed PF on half a dozen Ubuntu boxes, with no hiccups > significant enough to remember.) > > What I would say is that the differences between distros only involve > setup and maybe maintenance, and do not involve performance, so

Re: distribution issues with Postfix

2010-07-08 Thread N. Yaakov Ziskind
Phil Howard wrote (on Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 12:10:39PM -0400): > On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 10:40, markus reichelt wrote: > > > ALso, I can only stress what has been said already: get your distro > > shit together; go along with your hunch about slackware, ask > > slackware specific questions on a sla

Re: distribution issues with Postfix

2010-07-08 Thread Phil Howard
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 10:40, markus reichelt wrote: > ALso, I can only stress what has been said already: get your distro > shit together; go along with your hunch about slackware, ask > slackware specific questions on a slackware mailinglist/usenet group, > and post postfix problems (which you

Re: distribution issues with Postfix

2010-07-08 Thread Phil Howard
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 08:30, Jeroen Geilman wrote: > Okay, I may have been baiting a bit there. > The obvious inference is that you need to know your distro in order to be > able to do anything useful with it. > If that causes issues, that distribution's support is your first port of > call, NOT

Re: distribution issues with Postfix

2010-07-08 Thread markus reichelt
* Jeroen Geilman wrote: > >Why did you bother responding if you have such a narrow view that you > >cannot see it? Do you actually like to show off how arrogant you can > >be? > There was, simply, no postfix-specific question in your post Agreed. > I could replace every mention of the word "p

Re: distribution issues with Postfix

2010-07-08 Thread Jeroen Geilman
On 07/07/2010 08:02 PM, Phil Howard wrote: On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:48, Jeroen Geilman wrote: I would suggest using a distribution or OS that allows you to configure postfix properly. Name it. Okay, I may have been baiting a bit there. The obvious inference is that you need t

Re: distribution issues with Postfix

2010-07-07 Thread Joe
Phil Howard wrote: > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 15:11, Joe wrote: > > >> I currently run a number of production mail servers on ubuntu LTS and >> have never seen any of the problems you're struggling with. >> > > Are you using the packaged version of Postfix, or the source you > compile yourse

Re: OFFLIST (or not) - Re: distribution issues with Postfix

2010-07-07 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, July 07, 2010 15:22:22 Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Wednesday, July 07, 2010 15:13:00 Phil Howard wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 15:00, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > > On Wednesday, July 07, 2010 14:42:29 Phil Howard wrote: > > >> Ubuntu works reasonably OK with everything else I've

Re: distribution issues with Postfix

2010-07-07 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, July 07, 2010 15:14:08 Gary Chambers wrote: > > No. Clearly not the case. Ubuntu is an example which interferes with > > Postfix. I'm trying to determine if others are more or less so. I > > suspect at least some surely must be less so. > > Why not simply avoid whatever hassles y

OFFLIST - Re: distribution issues with Postfix

2010-07-07 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, July 07, 2010 15:13:00 Phil Howard wrote: > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 15:00, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > On Wednesday, July 07, 2010 14:42:29 Phil Howard wrote: > >> Ubuntu works reasonably OK with everything else I've used on it. > >> Problem exist with Postfix on it. They've said to a

Re: distribution issues with Postfix

2010-07-07 Thread Phil Howard
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 15:14, Gary Chambers wrote: >> No.  Clearly not the case.  Ubuntu is an example which interferes with >> Postfix.  I'm trying to determine if others are more or less so.  I >> suspect at least some surely must be less so. > > Why not simply avoid whatever hassles you're enco

Re: distribution issues with Postfix

2010-07-07 Thread Phil Howard
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 15:11, Joe wrote: > I currently run a number of production mail servers on ubuntu LTS and > have never seen any of the problems you're struggling with. Are you using the packaged version of Postfix, or the source you compile yourself? -- sHiFt HaPpEnS!

Re: distribution issues with Postfix

2010-07-07 Thread Gary Chambers
> No.  Clearly not the case.  Ubuntu is an example which interferes with > Postfix.  I'm trying to determine if others are more or less so.  I > suspect at least some surely must be less so. Why not simply avoid whatever hassles you're encountering with your distribution's version of the software

Re: distribution issues with Postfix

2010-07-07 Thread Phil Howard
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 15:00, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Wednesday, July 07, 2010 14:42:29 Phil Howard wrote: > >> Ubuntu works reasonably OK with everything else I've used on it. >> Problem exist with Postfix on it.  They've said to address it with >> Postfix.  I personally think the specific pr

Re: distribution issues with Postfix

2010-07-07 Thread Joe
Phil Howard wrote: > > No. Clearly not the case. Ubuntu is an example which interferes with > Postfix. I'm trying to determine if others are more or less so. I > suspect at least some surely must be less so. > No FUD please. I've deployed smtp servers running hpux, solaris, slackware, redha

Re: distribution issues with Postfix

2010-07-07 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, July 07, 2010 14:42:29 Phil Howard wrote: > Ubuntu works reasonably OK with everything else I've used on it. > Problem exist with Postfix on it. They've said to address it with > Postfix. I personally think the specific problems are more of how > Ubuntu handles Postfix poorly. On

Re: distribution issues with Postfix

2010-07-07 Thread Phil Howard
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 14:30, Charles Marcus wrote: > On 2010-07-07 2:02 PM, Phil Howard wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:48, Jeroen Geilman wrote: >>> I would suggest using a distribution or OS that allows you to configure >>> postfix properly. > >> Name it. > > All of them? No. Clearly not

Re: distribution issues with Postfix

2010-07-07 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-07-07 2:02 PM, Phil Howard wrote: > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:48, Jeroen Geilman wrote: >> I would suggest using a distribution or OS that allows you to configure >> postfix properly. > Name it. All of them? >> Anything that interferes with that is not worth the effort. > Which do you

Re: distribution issues with Postfix

2010-07-07 Thread Phil Howard
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:48, Jeroen Geilman wrote: > I would suggest using a distribution or OS that allows you to configure > postfix properly. Name it. > Anything that interferes with that is not worth the effort. Which do you use? > Regardless, no specific distribution will be supported

Re: distribution issues with Postfix

2010-07-07 Thread Jeroen Geilman
On 07/07/2010 05:25 PM, Phil Howard wrote: I am finally putting together a test mail server (something I wish I had when putting together the first mail server, but lack of hardware due to lack of funding flow limited that). But now I have another machine. But I am still seeing all the issues I

distribution issues with Postfix

2010-07-07 Thread Phil Howard
I am finally putting together a test mail server (something I wish I had when putting together the first mail server, but lack of hardware due to lack of funding flow limited that). But now I have another machine. But I am still seeing all the issues I had before with Ubuntu. At first I tried to