Re: [OT] Using [EMAIL PROTECTED] [was: best way for website sending emails]

2008-08-27 Thread Roman Medina-Heigl Hernandez
mouss escribió: > Roman Medina-Heigl Hernandez wrote: >> What about creating a REJECT recipient rule for "abuse@", etc, with a >> message like: "Mailbox disabled due to spam. Please, contact us by: >> http://xxx/contact.php";. > > This defeats the purpose of [EMAIL PROTECTED] if I get attacks fro

Re: [OT] Using [EMAIL PROTECTED] [was: best way for website sending emails]

2008-08-26 Thread mouss
Charles Marcus wrote: On 8/26/2008, Robert Schetterer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: as far i know blacklist reputation is only related to answering hostmaster@ postmaster@ abuse@ webmaster@ by rfc My understanding is the RFC only requires postmaster and abuse to be valid, NOT webmaster - and I'v

Re: [OT] Using [EMAIL PROTECTED] [was: best way for website sending emails]

2008-08-26 Thread mouss
Roman Medina-Heigl Hernandez wrote: What about creating a REJECT recipient rule for "abuse@", etc, with a message like: "Mailbox disabled due to spam. Please, contact us by: http://xxx/contact.php";. This defeats the purpose of [EMAIL PROTECTED] if I get attacks from your networks, and if you

Re: [OT] Using [EMAIL PROTECTED] [was: best way for website sending emails]

2008-08-26 Thread Jorey Bump
Robert Schetterer wrote, at 08/26/2008 09:04 AM: you may be right but having webmaster an hostmaster does not harm, webmaster is an arbitrary support address you can use however you like, for any of your sites. But there is a convention that hostmaster is for DNS issues, so you might want to

Re: [OT] Using [EMAIL PROTECTED] [was: best way for website sending emails]

2008-08-26 Thread Jorey Bump
Charles Marcus wrote, at 08/26/2008 08:57 AM: On 8/26/2008, Robert Schetterer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: as far i know blacklist reputation is only related to answering hostmaster@ postmaster@ abuse@ webmaster@ by rfc My understanding is the RFC only requires postmaster and abuse to be valid,

Re: [OT] Using [EMAIL PROTECTED] [was: best way for website sending emails]

2008-08-26 Thread Roman Medina-Heigl Hernandez
What about creating a REJECT recipient rule for "abuse@", etc, with a message like: "Mailbox disabled due to spam. Please, contact us by: http://xxx/contact.php";. And then having some kind of ticket system in contact.php requiring at least a Turing test -aka Captcha- to accept the new request? In

Re: [OT] Using [EMAIL PROTECTED] [was: best way for website sending emails]

2008-08-26 Thread Robert Schetterer
Charles Marcus schrieb: On 8/26/2008, Robert Schetterer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: as far i know blacklist reputation is only related to answering hostmaster@ postmaster@ abuse@ webmaster@ by rfc My understanding is the RFC only requires postmaster and abuse to be valid, NOT webmaster - and I

Re: [OT] Using [EMAIL PROTECTED] [was: best way for website sending emails]

2008-08-26 Thread Charles Marcus
On 8/26/2008, Robert Schetterer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > as far i know > blacklist reputation > is only related to > answering hostmaster@ > postmaster@ > abuse@ > webmaster@ > by rfc My understanding is the RFC only requires postmaster and abuse to be valid, NOT webmaster - and I've NEVER us

Re: [OT] Using [EMAIL PROTECTED] [was: best way for website sending emails]

2008-08-26 Thread Jorey Bump
Jeff wrote, at 08/25/2008 08:50 PM: On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Tony Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I want the From address to be set to something like [EMAIL PROTECTED] A mail sent to this address will cause no error, but nobody will read those emails. That is a very very bad idea and

Re: [OT] Using [EMAIL PROTECTED] [was: best way for website sending emails]

2008-08-26 Thread Robert Schetterer
Stefan Palme schrieb: Hi Robert, there is nothing you can do against people writing/reply mails to adresses what ever, so i think this problem is not really total solvable by tec stuff , also there is less what you can do about what people think about your reputation, so you better dont care

Re: [OT] Using [EMAIL PROTECTED] [was: best way for website sending emails]

2008-08-26 Thread Stefan Palme
Hi Robert, > there is nothing you can do against people > writing/reply mails to adresses what ever, so i think > this problem is not really total solvable by > tec stuff , also there is less what you can do about > what people think about your reputation, so you better dont care It's not MY repu

Re: [OT] Using [EMAIL PROTECTED] [was: best way for website sending emails]

2008-08-26 Thread Robert Schetterer
Stefan Palme schrieb: On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 10:51 +0200, Robert Schetterer wrote: Jeff schrieb: On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Tony Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I want the From address to be set to something like [EMAIL PROTECTED] A mail sent to this address will cause no error, but nob

Re: [OT] Using [EMAIL PROTECTED] [was: best way for website sending emails]

2008-08-26 Thread Stefan Palme
On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 10:51 +0200, Robert Schetterer wrote: > Jeff schrieb: > > On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Tony Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> I want the From address to be set to something like [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> A mail sent to this address will cause no error, but nobody will

Re: [OT] Using [EMAIL PROTECTED] [was: best way for website sending emails]

2008-08-26 Thread Robert Schetterer
Jeff schrieb: On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Tony Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I want the From address to be set to something like [EMAIL PROTECTED] A mail sent to this address will cause no error, but nobody will read those emails. That is a very very bad idea and the best way to have y

Re: [OT] Using [EMAIL PROTECTED] [was: best way for website sending emails]

2008-08-25 Thread mouss
Jeff wrote: I'm afraid I don't see how sending mail with an unmonitored return address (i.e., accepted and delivered locally to /dev/null) will get you on an RBL. I get mail of that type from big companies all the time. They usually have something in the message that explains that you should not

[OT] Using [EMAIL PROTECTED] [was: best way for website sending emails]

2008-08-25 Thread Jeff
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Tony Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I want the From address to be set to something like [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> A mail sent to this address will cause no error, but nobody will >> read those emails. > > That is a very very bad idea and the best way to have your s

Re: best way for website sending emails

2008-08-25 Thread Stefan Palme
> Instead of adding an ever-increasing list of features to Postfix > (or throwing in a Turing-complete scripting language) I decided > around 2000 to allow people to plug stuff into Postfix: content > filters, policy daemons, and Milter applications. This is absolutely ok - I've just asked to be

Re: best way for website sending emails

2008-08-25 Thread Wietse Venema
Stefan Palme: [ Charset UTF-8 unsupported, converting... ] > Thanks for all your answers. My first approach to just throw > away all bounces caused by senseless data entered into a web > form is obviously too naive ;-) > > I guess I will go the way to collect bounces by a script and > establish an

Re: best way for website sending emails

2008-08-25 Thread Stefan Palme
Thanks for all your answers. My first approach to just throw away all bounces caused by senseless data entered into a web form is obviously too naive ;-) I guess I will go the way to collect bounces by a script and establish an smtpd_recipient_restrictions based on this list of bouncing addresses.

Re: best way for website sending emails

2008-08-25 Thread mouss
Stefan Palme wrote: I want the From address to be set to something like [EMAIL PROTECTED] A mail sent to this address will cause no error, but nobody will read those emails. That is a very very bad idea and the best way to have your server added to many RBLs. You want to look at and process all

Re: best way for website sending emails

2008-08-25 Thread mouss
Stefan Palme wrote: Hmmm. Maybe I did not understand you, or you me... ;-) I want the From address to be set to something like [EMAIL PROTECTED] A mail sent to this address will cause no error, but nobody will read those emails. The Reply-To-address will become a really existing address which i

Re: best way for website sending emails

2008-08-25 Thread Tony Holmes
> On this special server the one and only client is the web application, > where anonymous users can use a web form to ask for an account. They > have to fill in their email address. The web application sends a > mail to this address with a dynamically generated link the user has > to follow to rea

Re: best way for website sending emails

2008-08-25 Thread Stefan Palme
> > I want the From address to be set to something like [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > A mail sent to this address will cause no error, but nobody will > > read those emails. > > That is a very very bad idea and the best way to have your server added to > many RBLs. > > You want to look at and process al

Re: best way for website sending emails

2008-08-25 Thread Tony Holmes
> I want the From address to be set to something like [EMAIL PROTECTED] > A mail sent to this address will cause no error, but nobody will > read those emails. That is a very very bad idea and the best way to have your server added to many RBLs. You want to look at and process all bounce messages

Re: best way for website sending emails

2008-08-25 Thread Stefan Palme
Hi, > > It happens very very often that users enter an invalid email > > address or just senseless texts. So the webmaster-address > > receives all the backscatter from undeliverable mail. > > This is not backscatter. this is a legitimate bounce. Ok, sorry, I've used the wrong term - I'm talking

Re: best way for website sending emails

2008-08-25 Thread mouss
Stefan Palme wrote: Hello, a little bit off topic - but maybe someone can comment this... We are running a website where users can register themself, use features like "send this page to a friend" etc. Those features make the web application send an email to a user. The from addresses (envelope

best way for website sending emails

2008-08-25 Thread Stefan Palme
Hello, a little bit off topic - but maybe someone can comment this... We are running a website where users can register themself, use features like "send this page to a friend" etc. Those features make the web application send an email to a user. The from addresses (envelope FROM and header From: