Re: Google and UK.COM domains

2021-12-15 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 09:46:52PM +0100, Jaroslaw Rafa wrote: I'm not sure how exactly PSL is maintained, but I guess that if you'd want scconsult.com to be included in PSL (so that you could somehow back up your claim that it's a registry) Every operator of any domain is a registry operator:

Re: Google and UK.COM domains

2021-12-14 Thread Frank Hwa
if you have made successfully a DIY registry you could benefit from it by finance. such as what "de.com", "uk.net", "in.com" does. :) I always have a dream to buy a top-level domain from IANA and run my own registry biz. For instance ".tomato" is my gTLD, welcome you to become the registrar for

Re: Google and UK.COM domains

2021-12-14 Thread Fred Morris
Let's all take a deep breath and recall that the origins of the PSL are in web browsing, and directly tied to that invention so necessary to our collective privacy: the cookie. It was a list, originally maintained by Mozilla, of domains (or stems) that you can't set cookies for. -- Fred Mor

Re: Google and UK.COM domains

2021-12-14 Thread Bill Cole
On 2021-12-14 at 15:46:52 UTC-0500 (Tue, 14 Dec 2021 21:46:52 +0100) Jaroslaw Rafa is rumored to have said: Dnia 14.12.2021 o godz. 13:34:06 Bill Cole pisze: For example, I could *CLAIM* to be an independent customer of whoever runs scconsult.com as a registry, and I just "registered" billmai

Re: Google and UK.COM domains

2021-12-14 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa
Dnia 14.12.2021 o godz. 13:06:49 Andrew Sullivan pisze: > On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 12:31:07PM +0100, Jaroslaw Rafa wrote: > >That's exactly what Public Suffix List is for. It lists all such domains. > > Well, to be a little more pointed about it, it attempts to provide a > volunteer-curated list of

Re: Google and UK.COM domains

2021-12-14 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa
Dnia 14.12.2021 o godz. 13:34:06 Bill Cole pisze: > > For example, I could *CLAIM* to be an independent customer of > whoever runs scconsult.com as a registry, and I just "registered" > billmail.scconsult.com with them, and therefore am completely > innocent of the bad behavior by some evil guy wh

Re: Google and UK.COM domains

2021-12-14 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 01:34:06PM -0500, Bill Cole wrote: For example, I could *CLAIM* to be an independent customer of whoever runs scconsult.com as a registry, and I just "registered" billmail.scconsult.com with them, and therefore am completely innocent of the bad behavior by some evil gu

Re: Google and UK.COM domains

2021-12-14 Thread Bill Cole
On 2021-12-14 at 12:52:06 UTC-0500 (Tue, 14 Dec 2021 17:52:06 +) Chris Green is rumored to have said: I have a mix of .co.uk, .com, .net, .org, .biz, .uk, .be and .eu domains. All of which are subject as domains to ICANN and/or governmental registry rules. Surely it's the provider of t

Re: Google and UK.COM domains

2021-12-14 Thread Bill Cole
On 2021-12-14 at 13:10:36 UTC-0500 (Tue, 14 Dec 2021 13:10:36 -0500) Andrew Sullivan is rumored to have said: Hi, On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 12:35:17PM -0500, Bill Cole wrote: On the other hand, anyone who wants to do so can buy a 2nd-level domain in a gTLD and run a pseudo-registry like uk.co

Re: Google and UK.COM domains

2021-12-14 Thread Andrew Sullivan
Hi, On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 12:35:17PM -0500, Bill Cole wrote: On the other hand, anyone who wants to do so can buy a 2nd-level domain in a gTLD and run a pseudo-registry like uk.com or eu.org for subdomains. Not any more in new TLDs. There's an ICANN consensus policy that is designed to p

Re: Google and UK.COM domains

2021-12-14 Thread postfix
> Surely it's the provider of the hosting who gets blacklisted not the > 'name' of the host. RBL public black list companies keep a database of both IP's and domain names. While banning the IP does blacklist the hosting provider, banning the domain name follows them no matter where they host. Spa

Re: Google and UK.COM domains

2021-12-14 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 12:31:07PM +0100, Jaroslaw Rafa wrote: That's exactly what Public Suffix List is for. It lists all such domains. Well, to be a little more pointed about it, it attempts to provide a volunteer-curated list of such domains. It does an amazing job for what it is, but it'

Re: Google and UK.COM domains

2021-12-14 Thread Chris Green
On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 12:35:17PM -0500, Bill Cole wrote: > On 2021-12-13 at 06:19:47 UTC-0500 (Mon, 13 Dec 2021 19:19:47 +0800) > Frank Hwa > is rumored to have said: > > > for the second level domain, some are "com.au", "com.hk" (the com one), > > some are "co.uk", "co.jp" (the co one). I am n

Re: Google and UK.COM domains

2021-12-14 Thread Bill Cole
On 2021-12-13 at 06:19:47 UTC-0500 (Mon, 13 Dec 2021 19:19:47 +0800) Frank Hwa is rumored to have said: for the second level domain, some are "com.au", "com.hk" (the com one), some are "co.uk", "co.jp" (the co one). I am not sure, isn't there a standard for this naming? No. The 2-letter TLDs

Re: Google and UK.COM domains

2021-12-13 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa
Dnia 13.12.2021 o godz. 10:10:07 jdebert pisze: > On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 19:19:47 +0800 > Frank Hwa wrote: > > > for the second level domain, some are "com.au", "com.hk" (the com > > one), some are "co.uk", "co.jp" (the co one). I am not sure, isn't > > there a standard for this naming? > > > > A

Re: Google and UK.COM domains

2021-12-13 Thread jdebert
On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 19:19:47 +0800 Frank Hwa wrote: > for the second level domain, some are "com.au", "com.hk" (the com > one), some are "co.uk", "co.jp" (the co one). I am not sure, isn't > there a standard for this naming? > A long-standing convention to use ISO 2-letter country codes as TLD

Re: Google and UK.COM domains

2021-12-13 Thread Bill Cole
On 2021-12-12 at 05:09:00 UTC-0500 (Sun, 12 Dec 2021 10:09:00 +) Linkcheck is rumored to have said: b) The customer's domain is one of the hugely expensive UK.COM pseudo-TLDs. UK.COM has been reported as being spammy; I assume due to bad apples amongst a high number of otherwise ok subdoma

Re: Google and UK.COM domains

2021-12-13 Thread Frank Hwa
aha, you were smart.:) On 2021/12/13 7:32, Benny Pedersen wrote: i can make subdomain nameserver delegations if it was a good idear in the first place

Re: Google and UK.COM domains

2021-12-13 Thread Benny Pedersen
On 2021-12-13 12:19, Frank Hwa wrote: for the second level domain, some are "com.au", "com.hk" (the com one), some are "co.uk", "co.jp" (the co one). I am not sure, isn't there a standard for this naming? i can make subdomain nameserver delegations if it was a good idear in the first place i

Re: Google and UK.COM domains

2021-12-13 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa
Dnia 13.12.2021 o godz. 19:19:47 Frank Hwa pisze: > for the second level domain, some are "com.au", "com.hk" (the com > one), some are "co.uk", "co.jp" (the co one). I am not sure, isn't > there a standard for this naming? That's exactly what Public Suffix List is for. It lists all such domains. -

AW: Google and UK.COM domains

2021-12-13 Thread Ludi Cree
On a side note, I see fraud and nigeria spam directly from Gmail accounts on the rise for some time now. Not only the Reply-To hosting, that they happily provide for many years to the criminal world. > If so, given they allow spammers virtually free range to send FROM gmail this > is a bit hy

Re: Google and UK.COM domains

2021-12-13 Thread Frank Hwa
for the second level domain, some are "com.au", "com.hk" (the com one), some are "co.uk", "co.jp" (the co one). I am not sure, isn't there a standard for this naming? regards. Frank On 2021/12/13 6:59, Benny Pedersen wrote: co.uk co.dk

Re: Google and UK.COM domains

2021-12-13 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa
Dnia 13.12.2021 o godz. 11:59:28 Benny Pedersen pisze: > > publicsiffix is poinsende :=) > > co.uk co.dk > > later is now non existing or just marketing > > note imho dmarc see tld uk, and dmarc subdomains is not on co.uk, so > maybe google is not that dumb ? What does co.uk have to do wi

Re: Google and UK.COM domains

2021-12-13 Thread Benny Pedersen
On 2021-12-13 11:41, Jaroslaw Rafa wrote: Both eu.org and uk.com are on the Public Suffix List (https://publicsuffix.org/list/public_suffix_list.dat ) which clearly indicates that different subdomains of these domains should NOT be treated as a part of the same entity. But yes, Google IS dumb

Re: Google and UK.COM domains

2021-12-13 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa
Dnia 12.12.2021 o godz. 10:09:00 Linkcheck pisze: > > My suspicion is that google is delaying the mail based on the > reputation of the generic UK.COM domain name. Is this likely? Is > google really dumb enough to treat all UK.COM subdomains as part of > the same single domain? Same happened for

Google and UK.COM domains

2021-12-12 Thread Linkcheck
I run a small postfix/dovecot mail service for my website customers. For the past several months one of my customers has had mail to gmail addresses delayed by approx 12 hours. The delaying/rejecting messages returned by google are on the lines of: (host alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[142.250