Re: Modular fetch design proposal: Was: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

On 24.01.22 16:37, Freddie Cash wrote: Isn't that just reinventing libfetch which is already in the base install? My proposal is about empowering users to hook in their own loosely fetch helpers instead of implementing a common API to fetch from a handful of preselected URL schemas, but it wo

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 09:29:45 -0800 Chris wrote: > FWIW I'd also like to vote +1 on NO additions. I only vote in favor of ftp in > this thread because we have a million year... OK 30 plus years of track > record for it and it just works. For me, FTP does not just work. Pkg over FTP hangs for 3

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

On 2022-01-24 10:16, Chris wrote: On 2022-01-24 10:08, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 09:29:45AM -0800, Chris wrote: On 2022-01-24 03:00, Daniel Engberg wrote: > Hi, > > I just wanted to chime in on Alexander's (netchild@) mail and I fully agree. > Looking at base we already

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

On Mon, 24 Jan 2022, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > [...] Tho I must admit I find @bapt's recent tcp proposal an > > interesting and appealing idea. :-) > > The proposal is now in anyway ;) That was fast; excellent service, sir! I now have even more reason to upgrade my ancient server (FTP is

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

On 2022-01-24 10:08, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 09:29:45AM -0800, Chris wrote: On 2022-01-24 03:00, Daniel Engberg wrote: > Hi, > > I just wanted to chime in on Alexander's (netchild@) mail and I fully agree. > Looking at base we already have a lot of contrib and since we

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 09:29:45AM -0800, Chris wrote: > On 2022-01-24 03:00, Daniel Engberg wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I just wanted to chime in on Alexander's (netchild@) mail and I fully agree. > > Looking at base we already have a lot of contrib and since we need to > > adapt each > > software pro

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

On 2022-01-24 03:00, Daniel Engberg wrote: Hi, I just wanted to chime in on Alexander's (netchild@) mail and I fully agree. Looking at base we already have a lot of contrib and since we need to adapt each software project to our build framework a lot tends to get dated quickly and currently is

Re: Modular fetch design proposal: Was: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

Isn't that just reinventing libfetch which is already in the base install? Cheers, Freddie Typos due to smartphone keyboard.

Re: Modular fetch design proposal: Was: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 03:46:39PM +0100, Jan Bramkamp wrote: > On 24.01.22 09:12, Chris wrote: > > On 2022-01-23 10:19, Patrick M. Hausen wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I did not really have an opinion on this, since we never used FTP, > > > but I was a bit surprised by the suggestion to use SS

Modular fetch design proposal: Was: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

On 24.01.22 09:12, Chris wrote: On 2022-01-23 10:19, Patrick M. Hausen wrote: Hi all, I did not really have an opinion on this, since we never used FTP, but I was a bit surprised by the suggestion to use SSH instead. It never occurred to us that anything but HTTP(S) was possible. We simply run

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 12:10:11PM +, Vincent Hoffman-Kazlauskas wrote: > > > On 24/01/2022 08:59, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 12:12:20AM -0800, Chris wrote: > > > On 2022-01-23 10:19, Patrick M. Hausen wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > based o

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

On 24/01/2022 08:59, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 12:12:20AM -0800, Chris wrote: On 2022-01-23 10:19, Patrick M. Hausen wrote: Hi all, based on the discussion I am adding right now, a new protocol: tcp:// which uses the protocol we made on top of ssh way simple

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

Hi, I just wanted to chime in on Alexander's (netchild@) mail and I fully agree. Looking at base we already have a lot of contrib and since we need to adapt each software project to our build framework a lot tends to get dated quickly and currently is so I don't see the benefit importing more

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 12:12:20AM -0800, Chris wrote: > On 2022-01-23 10:19, Patrick M. Hausen wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I did not really have an opinion on this, since we never used FTP, > > but I was a bit surprised by the suggestion to use SSH instead. > > > > It never occurred to us that an

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

On 2022-01-23 23:06, Alexander Leidinger wrote: Quoting "Patrick M. Hausen" (from Sun, 23 Jan 2022 19:19:57 +0100): Am 22.01.2022 um 09:35 schrieb Chris : I find it's less "housekeeping" to use ftp(1) setup through inetd(8) for pkg repos, than via ssh. I understand the appeal of FTP. Ma

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

On 2022-01-23 12:08, Stefan Esser wrote: Am 23.01.22 um 18:12 schrieb Jose Quinteiro: On 1/23/22 09:06, tech-lists wrote: On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 08:55:09AM -0800, Jose Quinteiro wrote: You can run HTTP on a non-standard port. For example, 8080 is commonly used. As an added bonus, this means

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

On 2022-01-23 10:19, Patrick M. Hausen wrote: Hi all, I did not really have an opinion on this, since we never used FTP, but I was a bit surprised by the suggestion to use SSH instead. It never occurred to us that anything but HTTP(S) was possible. We simply run Nginx in a jail serving the pack

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

Quoting "Patrick M. Hausen" (from Sun, 23 Jan 2022 19:19:57 +0100): Am 22.01.2022 um 09:35 schrieb Chris : I find it's less "housekeeping" to use ftp(1) setup through inetd(8) for pkg repos, than via ssh. I understand the appeal of FTP. Maybe this discussion is focusing on the wrong topi

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 3:15 AM Mark Millard wrote: > Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote on > Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 00:41:34 +0300 : > > > I checked all of the sources by downloading related compressed sources , > > by reading all of the web pages in the shown website , I could not find > > any licen

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote on Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 00:41:34 +0300 : > I checked all of the sources by downloading related compressed sources , > by reading all of the web pages in the shown website , I could not find > any license information . > > If it is possible for you , would you pleas

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

Am 23.01.22 um 22:41 schrieb Mehmet Erol Sanliturk:> On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 11:27 PM Stefan Esser > wrote: > > Am 23.01.22 um 18:12 schrieb Jose Quinteiro: > > On 1/23/22 09:06, tech-lists wrote: > >> On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 08:55:09AM -0800, Jose Quinteiro w

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 11:27 PM Stefan Esser wrote: > Am 23.01.22 um 18:12 schrieb Jose Quinteiro: > > On 1/23/22 09:06, tech-lists wrote: > >> On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 08:55:09AM -0800, Jose Quinteiro wrote: > >> > >>> You can run HTTP on a non-standard port. For example, 8080 is commonly > >>>

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

Am 23.01.22 um 18:12 schrieb Jose Quinteiro: > On 1/23/22 09:06, tech-lists wrote: >> On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 08:55:09AM -0800, Jose Quinteiro wrote: >> >>> You can run HTTP on a non-standard port. For example, 8080 is commonly >>> used. As an added bonus, this means that the HTTP server need not r

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

Hi all, I did not really have an opinion on this, since we never used FTP, but I was a bit surprised by the suggestion to use SSH instead. It never occurred to us that anything but HTTP(S) was possible. We simply run Nginx in a jail serving the packages that Poudriere produces for us. Setup time/

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

On 1/23/22 09:06, tech-lists wrote: > On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 08:55:09AM -0800, Jose Quinteiro wrote: > >> You can run HTTP on a non-standard port. For example, 8080 is commonly >> used. As an added bonus, this means that the HTTP server need not run as >> root. > > Unless I'm mistaken, there is

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 08:55:09AM -0800, Jose Quinteiro wrote: You can run HTTP on a non-standard port. For example, 8080 is commonly used. As an added bonus, this means that the HTTP server need not run as root. Unless I'm mistaken, there is no web server in base. There is though, an ftp se

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 03:25:19PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: Hello everyone, We plan to remove the support for fetching packages over ftp for the next releases of pkg (probably 1.18) if you have a strong reason to use ftp which cannot be fixed by switching to any other supported protocols

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

On 1/23/22 08:47, tech-lists wrote: > On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 05:32:26PM +0800, Li-Wen Hsu wrote: >> >> If this is due to security considerations, I don't think a place >> disallowing ssh and https would allow plain ftp. > > Some places either might not have or might not allow egress. > Some netwo

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 05:32:26PM +0800, Li-Wen Hsu wrote: If this is due to security considerations, I don't think a place disallowing ssh and https would allow plain ftp. Some places either might not have or might not allow egress. Some networks are closed at install time. An ftp server on

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 12:32 PM Li-Wen Hsu wrote: > On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 5:30 AM tech-lists wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 03:25:19PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > >Hello everyone, > > > > > >We plan to remove the support for fetching packages over ftp for the > next > > >rele

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 5:30 AM tech-lists wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 03:25:19PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > >Hello everyone, > > > >We plan to remove the support for fetching packages over ftp for the next > >releases of pkg (probably 1.18) if you have a strong reason to use ftp wh

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 03:25:19PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: Hello everyone, We plan to remove the support for fetching packages over ftp for the next releases of pkg (probably 1.18) if you have a strong reason to use ftp which cannot be fixed by switching to any other supported protocols

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

On 1/22/22 01:35, Chris wrote: On 2022-01-22 00:09, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: 22 janv. 2022 08:47:57 Chris : On 2022-01-21 23:31, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: 22 janv. 2022 08:25:47 Chris : On 2022-01-20 06:25, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: Hello everyone, We plan to remove the support for fetching

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

On 2022-01-22 00:09, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: 22 janv. 2022 08:47:57 Chris : On 2022-01-21 23:31, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: 22 janv. 2022 08:25:47 Chris : On 2022-01-20 06:25, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: Hello everyone, We plan to remove the support for fetching packages over ftp for the next

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

22 janv. 2022 08:47:57 Chris : > On 2022-01-21 23:31, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >> 22 janv. 2022 08:25:47 Chris : >> On 2022-01-20 06:25, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: Hello everyone, We plan to remove the support for fetching packages over ftp for the next releases of pkg (probably 1

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

On 2022-01-21 23:31, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: 22 janv. 2022 08:25:47 Chris : On 2022-01-20 06:25, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: Hello everyone, We plan to remove the support for fetching packages over ftp for the next releases of pkg (probably 1.18) Must be a stupid question. But I'll ask anyway;

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

22 janv. 2022 08:25:47 Chris : > On 2022-01-20 06:25, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> We plan to remove the support for fetching packages over ftp for the next >> releases of pkg (probably 1.18) > Must be a stupid question. But I'll ask anyway; Why the effort to start > removing

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

On 2022-01-20 06:25, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: Hello everyone, We plan to remove the support for fetching packages over ftp for the next releases of pkg (probably 1.18) Must be a stupid question. But I'll ask anyway; Why the effort to start removing transports? if you have a strong reason to u

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 10:22:27PM +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > 20.01.2022 21:47, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 09:43:38AM -0500, James E Keenan wrote: > >> On 1/20/22 9:25 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > >>> Hello everyone, > >>> > >>> We plan to remove the support fo

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

20.01.2022 21:47, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 09:43:38AM -0500, James E Keenan wrote: >> On 1/20/22 9:25 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> We plan to remove the support for fetching packages over ftp for the next >>> releases of pkg (probably 1.18) i

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 09:43:38AM -0500, James E Keenan wrote: > On 1/20/22 9:25 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > > > We plan to remove the support for fetching packages over ftp for the next > > releases of pkg (probably 1.18) if you have a strong reason to use ftp which > >

Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

On 1/20/22 9:25 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: Hello everyone, We plan to remove the support for fetching packages over ftp for the next releases of pkg (probably 1.18) if you have a strong reason to use ftp which cannot be fixed by switching to any other supported protocols like ssh or http, ple

[HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg

Hello everyone, We plan to remove the support for fetching packages over ftp for the next releases of pkg (probably 1.18) if you have a strong reason to use ftp which cannot be fixed by switching to any other supported protocols like ssh or http, please do share. Best regards, Bapt