Re: [PLUG] Firmware, tainted code etc [was Re: [X-Post] [ilugd] linux-libre kernel. fork?]

2008-05-28 Thread ഓം
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Rahul Sundaram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ഓം wrote: >> >> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Rahul Sundaram >> < wrote: >>> >>> ഓം wrote: Whosoever calls for *clear separation* (i think) has a burden upon self to define what is *clear* and what is

Re: [PLUG] Asus EeePC

2008-05-28 Thread Arun Khan
On Thursday 29 May 2008, Desi Penguin wrote: > Hello, > > I happened to look at one at croma store in Ishanya mall. I was > impressed. I have one. It is kick ass. It comes with a customized version of Xandros. All the components work in the installed OS - no driver issues. Asus has announced

Re: [PLUG] Firmware, tainted code etc [was Re: [X-Post] [ilugd] linux-libre kernel. fork?]

2008-05-28 Thread Rahul Sundaram
ഓം wrote: > On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Rahul Sundaram > < wrote: >> ഓം wrote: >>> Whosoever calls for *clear separation* (i think) has a burden upon >>> self to define what is *clear* and what is *separation* and also what >>> is *clear separation* as it applies to the work giving enough >

Re: [PLUG] Firmware, tainted code etc [was Re: [X-Post] [ilugd] linux-libre kernel. fork?]

2008-05-28 Thread ഓം
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Rahul Sundaram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ഓം wrote: >> >> Whosoever calls for *clear separation* (i think) has a burden upon >> self to define what is *clear* and what is *separation* and also what >> is *clear separation* as it applies to the work giving enoug

Re: [PLUG] Firmware, tainted code etc [was Re: [X-Post] [ilugd] linux-libre kernel. fork?]

2008-05-28 Thread Rahul Sundaram
ഓം wrote: > > Whosoever calls for *clear separation* (i think) has a burden upon > self to define what is *clear* and what is *separation* and also what > is *clear separation* as it applies to the work giving enough > examples on both the sides... I am not calling for "clear separation". I am

Re: [PLUG] Firmware, tainted code etc [was Re: [X-Post] [ilugd] linux-libre kernel. fork?]

2008-05-28 Thread ഓം
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Rahul Sundaram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ഓം wrote: >> >> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Rahul Sundaram >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> श्रीधर नारायण दैठणकर wrote: The kernel is GPLed, but the firmware may not be. >>> >>> There is in fact a pote

Re: [PLUG] Firmware, tainted code etc [was Re: [X-Post] [ilugd] linux-libre kernel. fork?]

2008-05-28 Thread Rahul Sundaram
ഓം wrote: > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Rahul Sundaram > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> श्रीधर नारायण दैठणकर wrote: >>> The kernel is GPLed, but the firmware may not be. >> There is in fact a potential license violation here. Refer "mere >> aggregation" clauses in the license. >> >> Rahul > >

Re: [PLUG] Firmware, tainted code etc [was Re: [X-Post] [ilugd] linux-libre kernel. fork?]

2008-05-28 Thread ഓം
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Rahul Sundaram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > श्रीधर नारायण दैठणकर wrote: >> The kernel is GPLed, but the firmware may not be. > > There is in fact a potential license violation here. Refer "mere > aggregation" clauses in the license. > > Rahul There is either a vio

[PLUG] Asus EeePC

2008-05-28 Thread Desi Penguin
Hello, I happened to look at one at croma store in Ishanya mall. I was impressed. Please share your experience if you own one. Is the price justified ? Other comments also welcome -DP -- On the internet, no one knows you are a penguin -- ___

Re: [PLUG] Firmware, tainted code etc [was Re: [X-Post] [ilugd] linux-libre kernel. fork?]

2008-05-28 Thread Rahul Sundaram
श्रीधर नारायण दैठणकर wrote: > Hi, > > This topic has numerous aspects e.g. an open firmware allows to boost powers > of wireless signals which violates FCC mandates and can cause problems. You are confining yourself to wireless firmware and FCC has hardly global jurisdiction and there is no cl

Re: [PLUG] [X-Post] [ilugd] linux-libre kernel. fork?

2008-05-28 Thread ഓം
Thanks for the update.. just a thought :-) that anybody following commitment would have called it Libre-Linux... without showing any flexibility what-so-ever in terminology *Termina*ting this comment *logi*cally :-) Next time you clean my car, don't forget to remove the non-free eng

[PLUG] Alarming Open-Source Security Holes (MIT Technology Review, Debian/Ubuntu SSH Key sec. hole)

2008-05-28 Thread Santosh Dawara
http://www.technologyreview.com/Infotech/20801/ Also see, "Vendors are bad for Security" http://www.links.org/?p=327 -- Quote -- /I’ve ranted about this at length before, I’m sure - even in print, in O’Reily’s Open Sources 2. But now Debian have proved me right (again) beyond my wildest expecta

Re: [PLUG] Firmware, tainted code etc [was Re: [X-Post] [ilugd] linux-libre kernel. fork?]

2008-05-28 Thread श्रीधर नारायण दैठणकर
On Wednesday 28 May 2008 17:33:13 Arun Khan wrote: > On Wednesday 28 May 2008, श्रीधर नारायण दैठणकर wrote: > ... snip ... > > > The kernel is GPLed, but the firmware may not be. > The purists would have us less mortals go look for *all* components in > our systems that have open source drivers, fir

Re: [PLUG] Firmware, tainted code etc [was Re: [X-Post] [ilugd] linux-libre kernel. fork?]

2008-05-28 Thread Arun Khan
On Wednesday 28 May 2008, श्रीधर नारायण दैठणकर wrote: ... snip ... > > The kernel is GPLed, but the firmware may not be. The purists would have us less mortals go look for *all* components in our systems that have open source drivers, firmware et al. My 2 paise. -- Arun Khan -- ___

Re: [PLUG] [X-Post] [ilugd] linux-libre kernel. fork?

2008-05-28 Thread Arun Khan
On Wednesday 28 May 2008, sudhanwa Jogalekar wrote: > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Linux Lingam > Date: Wed, May 28, 2008 at 1:49 AM > Subject: [ilugd] linux-libre kernel. fork? > To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > dear all, > > dr g nagarjuna of fsfindi

[PLUG] Firmware, tainted code etc [was Re: [X-Post] [ilugd] linux-libre kernel. fork?]

2008-05-28 Thread श्रीधर नारायण दैठणकर
Hi, This topic has numerous aspects e.g. an open firmware allows to boost powers of wireless signals which violates FCC mandates and can cause problems. Other than burrying it in binary blob(worse than a hex dump), there is no other effective measure. More importantly, tainted kernels are ille

[PLUG] [X-Post] [ilugd] linux-libre kernel. fork?

2008-05-28 Thread sudhanwa Jogalekar
Forwarded message: -- Forwarded message -- From: Linux Lingam Date: Wed, May 28, 2008 at 1:49 AM Subject: [ilugd] linux-libre kernel. fork? To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dear all, dr g nagarjuna of fsfindia.org was in delhi tuesday, we met for coffee and