Luke wrote:
I can't say I've ever used a framework.
I like to be in control of all of my code, plus it's much more satisfying
when you write everything yourself (I've found anyway)...
If I want to make use of existing code, I rather have a good
understanding and a grasp of the philosophy behind
I can't say I've ever used a framework.
I like to be in control of all of my code, plus it's much more satisfying
when you write everything yourself (I've found anyway)...
2008/10/8 paragasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > PHP framework vs just php ?
> > http://paul-m-jones.com/?p=315
>
> according to t
> PHP framework vs just php ?
> http://paul-m-jones.com/?p=315
according to the benchmark.Just PHP win by more than 100% to average framework.
even the fastest solar only manage to serve 154pages/sec compare to
just php 1320pages/sec
call me outdated. but i stay with just php!
On 10/8/08, Eric
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Ashley Sheridan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-10-07 at 11:20 -0300, uaca man wrote:
>> Farid,
>>
>> I like to use PRADO(www.pradosoft.com), it is very easy to use for
>> those who are coming from Microsoft .Net platform as it uses the same
>> architecture
On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:47:54 +0100, Ashley Sheridan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Don't frameworks introduce a lot more overhead to projects though?
>
>
> Ash
> www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Any generic code library adds overhead. How much and whether or not it's
acceptable depends on the framewor
On Tue, 2008-10-07 at 11:20 -0300, uaca man wrote:
> Farid,
>
> I like to use PRADO(www.pradosoft.com), it is very easy to use for
> those who are coming from Microsoft .Net platform as it uses the same
> architecture. I did not like symfony, too much to read before the
> first example.
>
> Angel
Farid,
I like to use PRADO(www.pradosoft.com), it is very easy to use for
those who are coming from Microsoft .Net platform as it uses the same
architecture. I did not like symfony, too much to read before the
first example.
Angelo
2008/10/6 farid lópez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> what is your framew
what is your framework??? uacaman.
i'm using symfony, but i'm reading the book. it's hard but there are so many
things you can do easily with symfony!
2008/10/7 uaca man <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To be or not to be dump it your choice.
>
> My framework it not just awesome it is super awesome.
>
> An
To be or not to be dump it your choice.
My framework it not just awesome it is super awesome.
Angelo
2008/10/6 Dan Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Jason Pruim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>
>> But... Which framework is better? :P
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Oh my.. now we're gon
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Jason Pruim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> But... Which framework is better? :P
>
>
>
>
Oh my.. now we're gonna get all those guys popping back up telling us how
dumb we are and how awesome their frameworks are again!
--
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www.canishosting.com - Plans s
Lets raise the dead once more.
I have been using the Prado framework, prado uses the .net
architecture, so it is easy and fast to learn for those who came from
a Microsoft platform, anyway prado is very good to build UI, but there
is always a *but*!! Prado database abstraction model it is just bad
On Oct 6, 2008, at 12:57 PM, Daniel Brown wrote:
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 11:41 AM, clive <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
I agree with Tony.
And you raise the dead. That thread died five and a half months
ago Let it rest in peace! ;-P
But... Which framework is better? :P
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On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 11:41 AM, clive <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I agree with Tony.
And you raise the dead. That thread died five and a half months
ago Let it rest in peace! ;-P
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Tony Marston wrote:
I agree that finding the right framework to use can be very difficult, which
is why a lot of programmers (like me) prefer to roll their own. But if you
can find an off-the-shelf framework that does the job it can save you an
awful amount of time.
I agree with Tony.
I
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 01:46:14PM +0200, Aschwin Wesselius wrote:
> Lester Caine wrote:
>> 'If it isn't broken don't fix it' causes a problem when YOU know that the
>> step change will make future development easier, but the customers keep
>> asking - 'Can you just add XXX' :(
>
> So they ac
[snip]
...laugh...
[/snip]
I did a quick and dirty of just one of those functions. This function
takes a table and creates a form based on the table. It needs quite a
bit of refining, but I am willing to share and let you guys and gals
throw suggestions;
function formCreate($database, $table, $ac
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Sancar Saran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks, with your answer my mind flashes
I wish I shared your passion on things! I started out with functional
programming using various languages. PHP was the first time I
attempted writing classes. The reason I wanted
On Thursday 24 April 2008 14:52:12 Eric Butera wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 2:42 AM, Sancar Saran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > It works. It needs to read tons of docs before writing someting useful
> > and it was [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ to writing programs with zend framework.
>
> It has tons of
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 2:42 AM, Sancar Saran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It works. It needs to read tons of docs before writing someting useful and it
> was [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ to writing programs with zend framework.
It has tons of real unit tests to know it really works. Plus there
are a lot
On Wednesday 23 April 2008 21:29:40 tedd wrote:
> At 5:24 PM +0300 4/22/08, Sancar Saran wrote:
> >Hello there,
> >
> >Is anyone looking jQuery recently ?. Thas what I call framework...
>
> Yes, and I'm programming with it.
>
> But, that's what jQuery and I call a library.
>
> Cheers,
>
Name it wh
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 20:32 -0500, Shawn McKenzie wrote:
>
> Robert Cummings wrote:
> > On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 16:50 -0500, Shawn McKenzie wrote:
> >
> >> Robert Cummings wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 19:05 -0500, Shawn McKenzie wrote:
> >>>
> Tony Marston wrote:
> >>
Robert Cummings wrote:
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 16:50 -0500, Shawn McKenzie wrote:
Robert Cummings wrote:
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 19:05 -0500, Shawn McKenzie wrote:
Tony Marston wrote:
""Jay Blanchard"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 16:50 -0500, Shawn McKenzie wrote:
> Robert Cummings wrote:
> > On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 19:05 -0500, Shawn McKenzie wrote:
> >> Tony Marston wrote:
> >>> ""Jay Blanchard"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> [snip]
> > You haven't answer
Robert Cummings wrote:
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 19:05 -0500, Shawn McKenzie wrote:
Tony Marston wrote:
""Jay Blanchard"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
You haven't answered the question. Where can this piece of wizardry be
downloaded so that it can be reviewed
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 13:14 -0600, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Eric Butera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wro
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 13:14 -0600, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Eric Butera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > interestingly, prototype claims it is a framework.
> >
> > http://www.google.c
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Eric Butera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > interestingly, prototype claims it is a framework.
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3A+framework&btnG=Google+Search
>
> Lots of d
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> interestingly, prototype claims it is a framework.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3A+framework&btnG=Google+Search
Lots of differing opinions. :) Seeing as script.aculo.us and all
that stuff is written on Pr
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:29 PM, tedd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 5:24 PM +0300 4/22/08, Sancar Saran wrote:
>
>> Hello there,
>>
>> Is anyone looking jQuery recently ?. Thas what I call framework...
>>
>
> Yes, and I'm programming with it.
>
> But, that's what jQuery and I call a library.
At 5:24 PM +0300 4/22/08, Sancar Saran wrote:
Hello there,
Is anyone looking jQuery recently ?. Thas what I call framework...
Yes, and I'm programming with it.
But, that's what jQuery and I call a library.
Cheers,
tedd
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At 3:35 PM +0100 4/22/08, Stut wrote:
Tony Marston wrote:
No I'm not.
Shocking and unexpected opinion from the developer of a framework. NOT!
Anyway, I can see this falling into another lengthy discussion so
I'll get my contribution in early to avoid disappointment.
As others have mentione
At the risk of extending this already looong thread...
Ah, screw it.
I actually read all of the Radicore documentation on Monday following
someone's suggestion last week about module access control. That was
before this thread got started, BTW. Now I'm not a Framework guy at
all, and I don't know
[snip]
Let me know when as I could do with a good laugh.
[/snip]
Fair enough, you have already given me several! :)
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On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 13:46 +0200, Aschwin Wesselius wrote:
> Lester Caine wrote:
> > 'If it isn't broken don't fix it' causes a problem when YOU know that
> > the step change will make future development easier, but the customers
> > keep asking - 'Can you just add XXX' :(
>
> So they actu
Lester Caine wrote:
'If it isn't broken don't fix it' causes a problem when YOU know that
the step change will make future development easier, but the customers
keep asking - 'Can you just add XXX' :(
So they actually ask for a porn site?
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Tony Marston wrote:
Audit logging - http://www.tonymarston.net/php-mysql/auditlog.html
Workflow - http://www.tonymarston.net/php-mysql/workflow.html
Yuck - MySQL :(
A decent database has it's own logging stuff built in ;)
And a decent database library does not care which database you use :)
I
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 19:05 -0500, Shawn McKenzie wrote:
> Tony Marston wrote:
> > ""Jay Blanchard"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [snip]
> >>> You haven't answered the question. Where can this piece of wizardry be
> >>> downloaded so that it can be reviewed
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 01:02 +0800, paragasu wrote:
> > imagine a cms, like drupal or joomla. you install the thing w/ the web
> > based installer then go through adding content via the web interface; u
> > can
> > do it :D
> >
> > -nathan
> >
>
> i am going to miss the fun doing programming then
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 10:07 -0600, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:54 AM, paragasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > i can only think of copy & paste method if i were required to write a PHP
> > application
> > without a single line of code even a simple "hello world!" application.
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 22:11 +0800, paragasu wrote:
> >I'm guessing, since you quoted os-commerce and phpBB, you don't know
> >shit code when you see it. Just because it's popular doesn't mean the
> >code is good. Have you ever tried to modify either of these? What a
> >mess.
> honestly, i don't an
Tony Marston wrote:
""Jay Blanchard"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
You haven't answered the question. Where can this piece of wizardry be
downloaded so that it can be reviewed by your peers?
[/snip]
It is not available for download
So your claims canno
""Jay Blanchard"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
>> You haven't answered the question. Where can this piece of wizardry be
>> downloaded so that it can be reviewed by your peers?
[/snip]
> It is not available for download
So your claims cannot be substantiate
""Dan Joseph"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Tony Marston
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> You haven't answered the question. Where can this piece of wizardry be
>> downloaded so that it can be reviewed by your peers?
>>
>>
>>
>
"Shawn McKenzie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Tony Marston wrote:
>> ""Jay Blanchard"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [snip]
But can you create a database table, then generate the PHP scripts
which
generate the
[snip]
You haven't answered the question. Where can this piece of wizardry be
downloaded so that it can be reviewed by your peers?
[/snip]
It is not available for download but it has been reviewed by peers on
several project teams who have used it. It was developed specifically
for a company who
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Tony Marston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> You haven't answered the question. Where can this piece of wizardry be
> downloaded so that it can be reviewed by your peers?
>
>
>
>
I didn't originally want to get in the middle of a fist fight, but I've been
reading thi
Frameworks not only are great for piecing together an application quickly
with user management, content filtering, access control, etc..., there is
another HUGE advantage to using a framework.
If the framework you are using has a thriving community behind it, the
framework will constantly get bett
""Jay Blanchard"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
>>> Yes, and it doesn't take 5 minutes.
>> Then where can us mere mortals download this wonderful framework so that
>> we can all share in your wizardry?
[/snip]
> It is not a framework, it is a set of function
Tony Marston wrote:
""Jay Blanchard"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
But can you create a database table, then generate the PHP scripts which
generate the HTML and SQL which allow an online user to read, write,
update
and delete records from this table withou
[snip]
> Yes, and it doesn't take 5 minutes.
Then where can us mere mortals download this wonderful framework so that
we
can all share in your wizardry?
[/snip]
It is not a framework, it is a set of functions. But since we are in a
semantical discussion about frameworks then this re-usable code
> > But then, this debate comes up about once a month because people don't
> > know how to RTFA of this list.
> >
> > And I don't know about you, but I've written a BASH script to work with my
> > PHP script to work with an API to deal with relational and flat files and
> > mail interfaces that
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:02 AM, paragasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> imagine a cms, like drupal or joomla. you install the thing w/ the web
> > based installer then go through adding content via the web interface; u
> > can
> > do it :D
> >
> > -nathan
> >
>
> i am going to miss the fun doin
> imagine a cms, like drupal or joomla. you install the thing w/ the web
> based installer then go through adding content via the web interface; u
> can
> do it :D
>
> -nathan
>
i am going to miss the fun doing programming then.
As a comparison, framework is like a canned food. available anytime
""Jay Blanchard"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [snip]
>> But can you create a database table, then generate the PHP scripts which
>> generate the HTML and SQL which allow an online user to read, write,
>> update
>> and delete records from this table without writin
[snip]
But can you create a database table, then generate the PHP scripts which
generate the HTML and SQL which allow an online user to read, write,
update
and delete records from this table without writing even a single line of
code? Can you do this with immediate access to a role based access
"Wolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >I had never heard this before. Silly me I thought the "real
>> > measure of a good framework" was how much of the monotony of coding
>> > was removed, how many problems solved, et cetera.
>> >
>> >So I guess the B
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:54 AM, paragasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I can do this in 5 minutes without having to write a
> >single line of PHP, HTML or SQL. If you can't match this then you're not in
> >the same league.
> >-Tony Marston
>
> i can only think of copy & paste method if i were
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:54 AM, paragasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i can only think of copy & paste method if i were required to write a PHP
> application
> without a single line of code even a simple "hello world!" application.
> i am really cannot be in the same league :( . well, i might ha
"Stut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Tony Marston wrote:
>> "Stut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Tony Marston wrote:
""Jay Blanchard"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [snip]
> If
>I can do this in 5 minutes without having to write a
>single line of PHP, HTML or SQL. If you can't match this then you're not in
>the same league.
>-Tony Marston
i can only think of copy & paste method if i were required to write a PHP
application
without a single line of code even a simple "hel
an Nobbe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:17 AM
> To: Jay Blanchard
> Cc: Tony Marston; php-general@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: php framework vs just php?
>
> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Jay Blanchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
&g
> >I had never heard this before. Silly me I thought the "real
> > measure of a good framework" was how much of the monotony of coding
> > was removed, how many problems solved, et cetera.
> >
> >So I guess the BASh script I just whipped up a few seconds ago
> > could be classified as
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Jay Blanchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> This is not the only real measure of a good framework, it is just one of
> many. I wrote a tool a long time ago that does the table/form/query bit
> in well under 5 minutes with several permutations. A good framework is
>
Tony Marston wrote:
"Stut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tony Marston wrote:
""Jay Blanchard"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wou
""Daniel Brown"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Tony Marston
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [snip!]
>>
>> The real measure of a good framework is the length of time it takes to
>> create a new database table, then write the compon
[snip]
The real measure of a good framework is the length of time it takes to
create a new database table, then write the components to maintain the
contents of that table. I can do this in 5 minutes without having to
write a
single line of PHP, HTML or SQL. If you can't match this then you're n
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Tony Marston
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip!]
>
> The real measure of a good framework is the length of time it takes to
> create a new database table, then write the components to maintain the
> contents of that table. I can do this in 5 minutes without havin
"Stut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Tony Marston wrote:
>> ""Jay Blanchard"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [snip]
>>> If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
>>> mickey mouse programs, and would
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Jay Blanchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> [snip]
> > [snip]
> > If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing
> but
> > mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
> > writing a proper application.
> >..If you thin
On 4/22/08, Jay Blanchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [snip]
> > [snip]
> > If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing
> but
> > mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
> > writing a proper application.
> >..If you think you can achieve th
[snip]
> [snip]
> If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing
but
> mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
> writing a proper application.
>..If you think you can achieve the same
> level of productivity WITHOUT a framework then you are livin
> Try looking in my signature at http://www.radicore.org
wow! i read your personal website and have it on my bookmark list. i salute
you =)
On Apr 22, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Sancar Saran wrote:
Hello there,
Is anyone looking jQuery recently ?. Thas what I call framework...
You are really doing tons of things with much less code.
And jQuery was javaScript thingy and in php world nothing was
comperable.
My toughts about php frame
Tony Marston wrote:
""Jay Blanchard"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
writing a proper application.
..If you think yo
> All those frameworks claim their way was perfect for making love
good joke sancar. i do not see any connection between framework and making
love.
if making love what you looking for. Porn might be a good answer for you.
> And I say, I'm 34 years old, and I got enough knowladge to how to make
lov
Hello there,
Is anyone looking jQuery recently ?. Thas what I call framework...
You are really doing tons of things with much less code.
And jQuery was javaScript thingy and in php world nothing was comperable.
My toughts about php frame work was;
All those frameworks claim their way was perfe
>I'm guessing, since you quoted os-commerce and phpBB, you don't know
>shit code when you see it. Just because it's popular doesn't mean the
>code is good. Have you ever tried to modify either of these? What a
>mess.
honestly, i don't and not really interested to dig inside thus code. but i
guess,
""Jay Blanchard"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [snip]
> If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
> mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
> writing a proper application.
>..If you think you can achiev
"paragasu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
>> mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
>> writing
>> a proper application. For example, I have just completed an ERP
>>
[snip]
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
writing
a proper application. ..If you think you can achieve the same
level of productivity WITHOUT a framework then you are living in cloud
cuc
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 21:25 +0800, paragasu wrote:
> > If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
> > mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
> > writing
> > a proper application. For example, I have just completed an ERP
> > application
> >
At 9:06 PM +0800 4/22/08, Kinch Zhang wrote:
On 4/22/08, Tony Marston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
> mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
writing
> a proper application.
I agree , you
> If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
> mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
> writing
> a proper application. For example, I have just completed an ERP
> application
> which contains 130 database tables, 230 relationships and 1000
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 21:06 +0800, Kinch Zhang wrote:
> On 4/22/08, Tony Marston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
> > mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
> > writing
> > a proper application.
>
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Tony Marston
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
> mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to writing
> a proper application. For example, I have just completed an ERP applic
On 4/22/08, Tony Marston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
> mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
> writing
> a proper application.
I agree , you couldn't avoid using a framework unless you're wri
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to writing
a proper application. For example, I have just completed an ERP application
which contains 130 database tables, 230 relationships and 1000 transacti
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didn't your mother ever tell not to eat the crayons? :-)
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On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 10:21 -0700, Jim Lucas wrote:
> Robert Cummings wrote:
> >
> > I bothered to jump into the thread in the first place because I dislike
> > when someone jumps on a question with an answer that belittles the
> > attempt to do something for which a person is requesting help. Sinc
Robert Cummings wrote:
On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 09:15 -0700, Jim Lucas wrote:
Since this has really nothing to do with helping the OP with his original question, and honestly
sounds like a bitch fest from hell. Why don't you take your disagreement of list Please.
The one thing I hate is whe
On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 09:15 -0700, Jim Lucas wrote:
> Since this has really nothing to do with helping the OP with his original
> question, and honestly
> sounds like a bitch fest from hell. Why don't you take your disagreement of
> list Please.
>
> The one thing I hate is when I see emai
Since this has really nothing to do with helping the OP with his original question, and honestly
sounds like a bitch fest from hell. Why don't you take your disagreement of list Please.
The one thing I hate is when I see emails from one person telling them that their opinion is more
corre
On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 22:41 +0800, Crayon Shin Chan wrote:
> On Wednesday 20 June 2007 03:27, Robert Cummings wrote:
>
> > > 1) study a selection of frameworks and learn from their strengths and
> > > weaknesses then go on to create a kickass framework based on what
> > > you've learnt
> >
> > Now
On Wednesday 20 June 2007 03:27, Robert Cummings wrote:
> > 1) study a selection of frameworks and learn from their strengths and
> > weaknesses then go on to create a kickass framework based on what
> > you've learnt
>
> Now, now, let's not pretend that you even nearly suggested that in your
> or
At 4:05 PM +0200 6/19/07, Jochem Maas wrote:
Robert Cummings wrote:
Some of the greatest science comes from those unaware of established
rules and theories.
Third.
not that my complete lack of knowledge theory and complete lack of respect
for rules has come to any kind of fruition :-P
PS -
At 2:20 AM +0800 6/20/07, Crayon Shin Chan wrote:
On Tuesday 19 June 2007 06:58, tedd wrote:
> the *majority* of patents for
inventions are due to the efforts of a lone risk taker putting his
money, time, and effort on the line trying to invent something.
I've no idea what the figures are b
On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 02:20 +0800, Crayon Shin Chan wrote:
> On Tuesday 19 June 2007 13:47, Robert Cummings wrote:
>
> > No, it's simple probability.
>
> So it's probability now? Which has the greater probability:
>
> 1) study a selection of frameworks and learn from their strengths and
> weakn
On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 02:20 +0800, Crayon Shin Chan wrote:
> On Tuesday 19 June 2007 09:26, Robert Cummings wrote:
>
> > Making up phrases and passing them off as though they are common adages
> > only goes towards showing that you have no steam to your argument.
>
> I really wish you would make
On Tuesday 19 June 2007 06:58, tedd wrote:
> Yes, but the fact still remains, for the exception of drug companies
> passing DNA sequences off as patents,
In the bad old U S of A you can patent your own grandmother (or at least
someone somewhere thinks you ought be able to).
> the *majority* of
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