On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 6:47 PM, horrido wrote:
> hernanmd wrote
>> I am not that convinced Smalltalk should be popular. Surely any
>> smalltalker
>> could find easily (more) job offers, that would be the only determinant
>> factor because we need desperately more Smalltalk positions. But
>> popul
hernanmd wrote
> I am not that convinced Smalltalk should be popular. Surely any
> smalltalker
> could find easily (more) job offers, that would be the only determinant
> factor because we need desperately more Smalltalk positions. But
> popularity
> has many drawbacks some smalltalkers are afr
> On Jan 22, 2015, at 9:02 PM, off...@riseup.net wrote:
>
> Trying to listen the community __before__ tracing the goals for SRP is my
> main message here. A more "etnographer" approach instead of the "saleman"
> one, if I can make the analogy.
This is good advice. Also Ben’s.
Richard that att
Hi,
On 2015-01-22 16:27, horrido wrote:
Offray wrote
I think that SRP has a "flaw" of showing itself as some kind of way to
save Smalltalk of its unpopular destiny, not being on top 10 of TIOBE
or
being a niche platform, but for me that's not a cruel destiny and if
it
were that's not the best
Offray wrote
> I think that SRP has a "flaw" of showing itself as some kind of way to
> save Smalltalk of its unpopular destiny, not being on top 10 of TIOBE or
> being a niche platform, but for me that's not a cruel destiny and if it
> were that's not the best way to fight against it, but by bu
We changed a lot between 20 and 30 and still mariano migrated all its
development in one afternoon.
So changing does not mean breaking systematically api.
Stef
In fact, I did look for previous attempts to "market" Smalltalk. I found
nothing. All previous attempts to popularize Smalltalk have been grassroots,
ie, using word of mouth; giving talks and seminars at conferences and local
user groups; a scattered (and somewhat chaotic) collection of blogs and
w
Hi,
I don't care about popularity, jvm or javascript now. I'm a newbie, but
I was not drawn to Pharo/Smalltalk because of that. If that were the
case I would choose an already popular language with javascript and/or
jvm support. It's not about fear of the unpopular but doesn't caring
about it
>>Without the ability to address the largest number of Smalltalkers, the SRP
cannot make any progress.<<
Did you do any research on this before embarking? You may not be the first
person who has attempted what you're trying.
Often when I'm trying to accomplish something that hasn't previously be
Any language that has a significant user base, ie, a large number of
applications, will experience resistance to change. The only way to avoid
this is for people NOT to use the language.
The fear of popularization will condemn a language to permanent niche
status. That's fine, if that's what the u
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:12 AM, horrido wrote:
> Okay, so far, I've made two mistakes. First was my lack of sensitivity to
> cultural differences around the world. Now that I know better, I shall do
> better.
>
> Second was my failure to distinguish between different subgroups within the
> Pharo
hernanmd wrote
> I am not that convinced Smalltalk should be popular
For me, the goal is "critical mass" - big enough where issues and new
projects move forward with ease. And this is probably just a few hundred
percent. Mass popularity brings in people disconnected from the vision.
Smalltalk for
I don't think there is a need for new lists.
We've had comp.lang.smalltalk.advocacy and comp.lang.smalltalk. Currently we
leave them to the spammers, and trolls, which is a bad sign for outsiders.
Always moving somewhere new and leave old trash around doesn't improve
anything, does it?
Joachim
Hey Richard,
I believe the only alive cross-dialect space is the #smalltalk IRC channel
in FreeNode. There's an average of 25~30 people online in that channel,
which is not _too_ bad considering the size of our community. Still,
compare that to, say, #lisp, with ~400 users and also being a cross-d
Excerpts from kilon alios's message of 2015-01-22 08:13:57 +0100:
> Popularity indeed comes with a high price. Guido the creator of python he
> has said in one of his presentation that there many people who want to add
> their libraries to python distribution but they should not want to do that,
>
Popularity indeed comes with a high price. Guido the creator of python he
has said in one of his presentation that there many people who want to add
their libraries to python distribution but they should not want to do that,
because once a library is added it become very difficult to change since s
hernanmd wrote
>> It is unfortunate that I must use the Pharo forum for this purpose. The
>> Smalltalk community is so terribly fragmented that there is no universal
>> Smalltalk forum to address, at least, none that is actually *inhabited*.
>> Without the ability to address the largest number of S
Hello Richard,
2015-01-21 17:12 GMT-03:00 horrido :
> Okay, so far, I've made two mistakes. First was my lack of sensitivity to
> cultural differences around the world. Now that I know better, I shall do
> better.
You better take a lot of care writing about politics, sports, or whatever
that co
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