Popularity indeed comes with a high price. Guido the creator of python he has said in one of his presentation that there many people who want to add their libraries to python distribution but they should not want to do that, because once a library is added it become very difficult to change since so many people depend on it to keep backward compatibility. He claimed that even simple bug fixes have to go through lengthy review process. This can be expanded to the entirety of the IDE and the language.
This the most important reason why pharo has been moving forward so fast and why popular languages move at glacial speed. I dont want to lose that so yes I dont want for pharo to become popular. On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Hernán Morales Durand < hernan.mora...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello Richard, > > 2015-01-21 17:12 GMT-03:00 horrido <horrido.hobb...@gmail.com>: > >> Okay, so far, I've made two mistakes. First was my lack of sensitivity to >> cultural differences around the world. Now that I know better, I shall do >> better. > > > You better take a lot of care writing about politics, sports, or whatever > that could be considered Off-Topic. Some people is always looking for > excuses to kick out offenders. And some others are monitoring with eagle > eyes any out-of-order comment you can possibly write. Rules of the game. > > >> Second was my failure to distinguish between different subgroups within >> the >> Pharo forum. > > > Welcome to Smalltalk :) > > >> The reason I chose Pharo forum to discuss my campaign was the >> fact that it is the most active Smalltalk forum there is. People who are >> > interested in Smalltalk join the most active forum generally, and this >> includes not only Pharoers, but people from ESUG, Squeak, Cincom, Amber, >> Redline, etc. >> >> > Yes, this is parasitic behavior and well-known for biologists. > Unfortunately I haven't seen many smalltalkers interested in on-line social > behavior, probably because in such small community the most valuable asset > is The Code, followed by The Documentation. Which of course, are excuses to > get The Money. > > >> So, for example, when I appealed for contributors to the Redline project, >> I >> should've distinguished the target audience as those groups other than >> Pharoers. This was my failure and I own up to it. >> >> It is unfortunate that I must use the Pharo forum for this purpose. The >> Smalltalk community is so terribly fragmented that there is no universal >> Smalltalk forum to address, at least, none that is actually *inhabited*. >> Without the ability to address the largest number of Smalltalkers, the SRP >> cannot make any progress. I'm sorry, but I have to be blunt. >> >> > Then maybe you should start your own Smalltalk mailing-list? > > For spanish language we have ClubSmalltalk. Is a cross-smalltalk mailing > list where people may write in other languages, but has become really low > volume in the last years. And Smalltalk was (is?) very popular in > Argentina, so you can get a dimension of how terribly small the community > is. > > >> If anyone can offer a practical alternative, I'd like to hear it. >> Otherwise, >> the SRP has only two choices: >> >> 1) Continue what it is doing on the Pharo forum, and be mindful of which >> group(s) I am addressing. >> >> 2) Fold up the campaign and leave the destiny of Smalltalk to the Fates. >> Without the ability to reach out to Smalltalkers everywhere, I am >> hopelessly >> disadvantaged. >> >> > I am not that convinced Smalltalk should be popular. Surely any > smalltalker could find easily (more) job offers, that would be the only > determinant factor because we need desperately more Smalltalk positions. > But popularity has many drawbacks.... some smalltalkers are afraid to > competition, and we all read the StackOverflow 'popular' questions... > > So, my alternative is: Instead of broadcasting Smalltalk by traditional > internet advertising, go and get them. I suspect you won't get much from > us, we are some kind of Loyal Customers. But there are tons of > unexperienced developers lacking of fear to change, which are reading > Quora, StackExchange, Wikipedia, etc. And unexperienced developers are the > next business decision makers. > > For example, see this articles which CS students read every day: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-ended_queue > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit_array > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_search_algorithm > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash_function > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_%28computer_science%29 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artificial_intelligence_projects > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_expression > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorting_algorithm > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_machine > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XML > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software > > No Smalltalk mention there. There you have it, the Library of Alexandria > of our time, and people do not read about us. > > Cheers, > > Hernán > > > >> Regards, >> Richard >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/Mea-Culpa-tp4800840.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> >
