Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-29 Thread Ferlicot D. Cyril
Le 29/12/2015 13:18, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas a écrit : > Hi, > > > If you're on Mac/Linux. Windows is another story. > Hi, since Pillar 1.0.0 the only difference is that Pillar doesn't generate a Windows script to compile the .tex into pdf. Else Pillar should works on Windows. > Cheers

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-29 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
Hi, On 29/12/15 06:01, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: I think in case of Pillar makes sense to create something in Pharo because the existing solutions are not that powerful anyway with the notable exception of Latex which is something that Pillar can use and inline anyway. Personally I love Pilla

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-29 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
I am a huge supporter of Pharo being directly connected to the outside world and not just recreate (I wont use the term "reinvent the wheel" because I was always found it a stupid remark anyway) something that it exists out there without an obvious advantage. However it makes sense in many cases be

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-28 Thread Saša Janiška
On Pon, 2015-12-28 at 21:41 -0500, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote: > Skeletons go beyond themes (grav also have them). They're like  > mini-sites ready to be filled out with your own content. Like demo-sites or with empty slots to add content? > The fact that I don't need to compile the sit

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-28 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
On 28/12/15 13:28, Saša Janiška wrote: On Pon, 2015-12-28 at 11:09 -0500, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote: but themes, skeletons and interactivity. (Details in the referred blog post). I agree that there could be more themes available, although I'm not 100% sure I understand what is spec

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-28 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
On 28/12/15 17:05, stepharo wrote: Yes, that is true. That is a cost of a smaller community. But the problem here is that your solution creates a self fulfilling situation. If everybody who comes to Pharo is encouraged to use tools outside of Pharo rather than using, improving and extending

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-28 Thread stepharo
Yes, that is true. That is a cost of a smaller community. But the problem here is that your solution creates a self fulfilling situation. If everybody who comes to Pharo is encouraged to use tools outside of Pharo rather than using, improving and extending the tools in Pharo. Then the communi

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-28 Thread Saša Janiška
On Pon, 2015-12-28 at 12:19 -0600, Jimmie Houchin wrote: > There are so many advantages to using tools in Pharo when using > Pharo.  I agree with it and that's why I asked what might be some advantages of using Pillar as documentation tool. > Do we now adopt yet another  language, environment, e

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-28 Thread Saša Janiška
On Pon, 2015-12-28 at 18:03 +0100, stepharo wrote: Hello Stef, > have a look at Pillar and you can add footnotes and we will review > your code and integrate it. Don't you think it's too early for me to add such feature. ;) > We are just really busy right now. Don't worry. I tried Pillar, but

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-28 Thread Saša Janiška
On Pon, 2015-12-28 at 11:09 -0500, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote: > but themes, skeletons and interactivity. (Details in the referred blog > post). I agree that there could be more themes available, although I'm not 100% sure I understand what is special about grav's skeleton's since it see

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-28 Thread Jimmie Houchin
On 12/28/2015 09:21 AM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote: b. It has support for bibliographic references, footnotes a a more complete feature set. I wonder how is it that despite being present for so long, it does miss such features... Well that's the cost of being part of a small communi

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-28 Thread stepharo
Saša have a look at Pillar and you can add footnotes and we will review your code and integrate it. We are just really busy right now. Stef

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-28 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
Hi, On 28/12/15 10:43, Saša Janiška wrote: On Pon, 2015-12-28 at 10:21 -0500, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote: That's why I recommending you pandoc's markdown variant. It has extensive support for footnotes, bibliographic references, tables, latex, a lot of exporting formats and extensibil

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-28 Thread Saša Janiška
On Pon, 2015-12-28 at 10:21 -0500, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote: > That's why I recommending you pandoc's markdown variant. It has  > extensive support for footnotes, bibliographic references, tables,  > latex, a lot of exporting formats and extensibility via exporting and  > manipulating t

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-28 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
Hi, On 28/12/15 06:16, Saša Janiška wrote: On Ned, 2015-12-27 at 18:50 -0500, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote: Hiya, Seems that the reasons exposed in this tread are: It predated markdown, so was already used inside the community, and gives us finer control on the overall markup languag

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-28 Thread Saša Janiška
On Ned, 2015-12-27 at 18:50 -0500, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote: Hiya, > Seems that the reasons exposed in this tread are: It predated > markdown,  so was already used inside the community, and gives us > finer control on  the overall markup language, including exporting > formats.  Nothi

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-27 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
Hi Gour, It seems that I have some similar quest to you, so I will try to answer about my approximation to documentation in the Pharo worl, even with the existance of Pillar (but being by no means any kind of expert on it, and of course this is my own experience, your mileage may vary). On 2

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-25 Thread Saša Janiška
On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 15:59 -0500, Robert Withers wrote: Hello Robert, > Welcome to Pharo!  I view use of Pharo (squeak) as a knowledge > sacrifice eliminating bondage to Karma. This is not the mainstream and > a good thing too. Nice comparison...although, being at the beginning I still do not u

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-25 Thread Robert Withers
Sorry, that was meant to be private. --- robert > On Dec 25, 2015, at 3:59 PM, Robert Withers > wrote: > > >> On Dec 25, 2015, at 1:58 PM, Saša Janiška wrote: >> -- >> As a blazing fire turns firewood to ashes, O Arjuna, so does the >> fire of knowledge burn to ashes all reactions to mater

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-25 Thread Robert Withers
> On Dec 25, 2015, at 1:58 PM, Saša Janiška wrote: > -- > As a blazing fire turns firewood to ashes, O Arjuna, so does the > fire of knowledge burn to ashes all reactions to material activities. --- The knowledge sacrifice is superior To any material sacrifice, O Arjuna. Because, all actions

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-25 Thread Saša Janiška
On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 18:07 +0100, Damien Cassou wrote: > We wanted to generate slides, Cyril changed Pillar to generate slides. > We want to generate exercises and questions, we will change Pillar to > generate questions in a dedicated format for a specific MOOC platform. > Because Pillar is in P

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-25 Thread Saša Janiška
On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 18:10 +0100, Damien Cassou wrote: > I don't like footnotes so I never added them. Heh, that's *you*, but I still wonder about all other Pillar users. > If you like them, Let me say that I *need* them - that's the nature of the content I write... > I guess it's less tha

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-25 Thread Damien Cassou
On December 25, 2015 6:02:05 PM GMT+01:00, "Saša Janiška" wrote: >Can Pillar handle footnotes? (I can't see on the cheetsheet.) I don't like footnotes so I never added them. If you like them, I guess it's less than a hundred lines of code using annotations. >Seeing that quotes are used for *

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-25 Thread Damien Cassou
On December 25, 2015 5:02:13 PM GMT+01:00, "Saša Janiška" wrote: >Hiya, > >I see that Pharo project has embraced Pillar system for documentation >purposes and my first question was "Why Pillar?" since, iirc, >comparison >was made with e.g Markdown which is, obviously, not sufficient for eg. >auth

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-25 Thread Saša Janiška
On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 17:36 +0100, stepharo wrote: > Pillar exists before Markdown. > We did pillar syntax back in 2002. Heh, it's interesting that both rst & AsciiDoc are also, according to Wikipedia from 2002. :-) What about Pillar and Pharo? Any additional advantage to use it? > We do that w

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-25 Thread stepharo
Le 25/12/15 17:02, Saša Janiška a écrit : Hiya, I see that Pharo project has embraced Pillar system for documentation purposes and my first question was "Why Pillar?" since, iirc, comparison was made with e.g Markdown which is, obviously, not sufficient for eg. authoring books, but there are m

[Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-25 Thread Saša Janiška
Hiya, I see that Pharo project has embraced Pillar system for documentation purposes and my first question was "Why Pillar?" since, iirc, comparison was made with e.g Markdown which is, obviously, not sufficient for eg. authoring books, but there are more capable markups with 'standard' implementa