[Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

Have a look at I18N project: http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~TorstenBergmann/I18N/ The docu with examples and all is on the same page.

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

On 14 Sep 2014, at 19:16, stepharo wrote: > Marcus I think that we should sync because personally I do not want to giant > kernel. I want a bootstrap and modular packages. > I think that making all the packages internal to the image is a recipe to get > a monolithic system. > I do not see why

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

QCMagritte provides a visitor that walks your magritte descriptions and knows properties that might need translation. With those (and any extra terms you add directly) it builds up a dictionary of terms to translate. It provides a web UI where the translations can be entered and supports loading

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

Marcus I think that we should sync because personally I do not want to giant kernel. I want a bootstrap and modular packages. I think that making all the packages internal to the image is a recipe to get a monolithic system. I do not see why loading a package would hurt. Stef On 14/9/14 12:5

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

On 14/9/14 16:39, Johan Brichau wrote: Peter, Gettext works. See DrGeo, for example. Also, the Seaside-Gettext extension works just fine. If I understand correctly, the Pharo IDE (and rest of the system) has not been working with ant localization implementation. the fallback was simply to n

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

On 14/9/14 16:18, Peter Schorsch wrote: Localization is very basic functionality that should be provided by the platform itself. We are in the situation that we are in only because people see Pharo as something “to build on top”. This way everyone does their own I18N stuff, while the right thin

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

So I'm checking and when we load Gettext, System-Localization only contains ISOLanguageDefinition Locale Locale is used by LanguageEnvironment, LocalID, TimeZone, Unicode When we will clean leadingChar some of these will go away. So not all the package System-Localisation can be moved

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

Le 14/09/2014 16:49, Johan Brichau a écrit : Yes, and actually, Gettext is just about the support for the Gettext format [1]. So, you can see it as an extension of the existing Localization system that is already in the image and it’s probably a good idea to internalize it completely. The Local

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

On 14 Sep 2014, at 12:59, Marcus Denker wrote: > Just think about it: Pharo itself should have translated menus. So we need > *something* in the system anyway. > Why then not make it good and make it the one that everyone is using? Yes, and actually, Gettext is just about the support for the G

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

Peter, Gettext works. See DrGeo, for example. Also, the Seaside-Gettext extension works just fine. If I understand correctly, the Pharo IDE (and rest of the system) has not been working with ant localization implementation. Johan On 14 Sep 2014, at 16:18, Peter Schorsch wrote: >> Localizatio

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

> Localization is very basic functionality that should be provided by > the platform itself. We are in the situation that we are in only > because people see Pharo as something “to build on top”. > > This way everyone does their own I18N stuff, while the right thing > would be to have *one* that i

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

On 13 Sep 2014, at 19:54, stepharo wrote: > > On 13/9/14 15:57, Hilaire wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I guess the gettext package on the seaside repo depends on the gettext >> package at PharoExtra and it adds some glue code for Seaside use. Is it >> correct? > > I did not check but I think so Ye

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

On 14 Sep 2014, at 12:59, Marcus Denker wrote: > > On 13 Sep 2014, at 20:51, stepharo wrote: > >> So I'm checking and when we load Gettext, >> System-Localization only contains >> ISOLanguageDefinition >> Locale >> >> Locale is used by LanguageEnvironment, LocalID, TimeZone, Unicode >>

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

On 13 Sep 2014, at 20:51, stepharo wrote: > So I'm checking and when we load Gettext, > System-Localization only contains >ISOLanguageDefinition >Locale > > Locale is used by LanguageEnvironment, LocalID, TimeZone, Unicode > > When we will clean leadingChar some of these will go away.

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

So I'm checking and when we load Gettext, System-Localization only contains ISOLanguageDefinition Locale Locale is used by LanguageEnvironment, LocalID, TimeZone, Unicode When we will clean leadingChar some of these will go away. So not all the package System-Localisation can be moved o

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

On 13/9/14 15:57, Hilaire wrote: Hello, I guess the gettext package on the seaside repo depends on the gettext package at PharoExtra and it adds some glue code for Seaside use. Is it correct? I did not check but I think so Le 13/09/2014 12:43, Johan Brichau a écrit : On 13 Sep 2014, at

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

Thanks Johan I would like to know we could move all the system-Localization classes to the getText package. Or another package outside the core because we basically shortcut completely its use. I will look a bit around. On 13 Sep 2014, at 10:09, stepharo > wrote: Th

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

Hello, I guess the gettext package on the seaside repo depends on the gettext package at PharoExtra and it adds some glue code for Seaside use. Is it correct? Le 13/09/2014 12:43, Johan Brichau a écrit : On 13 Sep 2014, at 10:09, stepharo mailto:steph...@free.fr>> wrote: Then what is the

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

Le 13/09/2014 09:57, Johan Brichau a écrit : Hi, The Seaside-Gettext package is in the Seaside repository http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Seaside/Seaside30Addons The package in the PharoExtras repository is a relic. You mean the Se

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

On 13 Sep 2014, at 10:09, stepharo wrote: > Then what is the seaside-Getext? Is is a superset of > pharoExtras-gettext? https://code.google.com/p/seaside/wiki/Gettext In short: it’s a Seaside extension to internationalise your web app. > For application not doing web, does it mak

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

http://pharo.gemtalksystems.com/book/LanguageAndLibraries/Localisation/PreparingImage/ Thanks I turned it into a chapter Stef

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

Hi johan usman and other I would like to get a clearer picture. https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/13655/System-Localization-and-Gettext-have-classes-with-identical-names We could change the name of in the PharoExtras package gettext so that we do not have conflicts

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

Hi, The Seaside-Gettext package is in the Seaside repository http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Seaside/Seaside30Addons The package in the PharoExtras repository is a relic. The ConfigurationOfSeaside3 correctly references the Seaside-Gettext package and it’s absolutely functional (using this in p

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

Absolutely right. I open a ticket for Alain https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/13980/Math-Ontologie-on-Pharo-3-0. Alain I suggest you get your hand in the Pharo bug tracker (http://bugs.pharo.org) and create yourself an account[1] there to comment and to report additional problem you may mee

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

Absolutely right. I open a ticket for Alain https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/13980/Math-Ontologie-on-Pharo-3-0. Alain I suggest you get your hand in the Pharo bug tracker (http://bugs.pharo.org) and create yourself an account[1] there to comment and to report additional problem you may meet.

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

I will have a look and check… (with the first goal to add an issue tracker entry for it) On 08 Sep 2014, at 20:01, Hilaire wrote: > Marcus, > > Alain's MathOntologie package provide Classes and Messages with French > accent, to ease the understanding of programming to high school students. > I

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

Depending on your exact needs, you might be better of with the QCMagritte based multi-language support. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTut44Xs3_U To try download a QCMagritte image from https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/QCMagritte/ start a seaside adapter ZnZincServer

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

Hi Peter, For my application needs (English -> French), I normally use the gettext package from STHub and it works without any problems for me. http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~PharoExtras/Gettext GetText so far not including in the Configuration Browser but we should include it. There is also a conf

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

Hi, I don't know if it is related but I have problems importing french files inside Pharo 3: Anytime when there is an accentuated character there is an error, and the file is not imported. Even if the character is a quote inside double quotes (like in "it don't work") there is an error message. Ri

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

What is the purpose of the seaside-gettext package ? Is it a relic or is it useful? Gettext is orthogonal to Seaside. Hilaire Le 07/09/2014 15:32, Peter Schorsch a écrit : But then I had to realize that the seaside-gettext package was not installed; and also no gettext package. I found a gettex

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

On 07 Sep 2014, at 20:32, stepharo wrote: > > On 7/9/14 15:32, Peter Schorsch wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Just started with pharo and seaside. > > Welcome! > >> Now I want to write an example >> seaside-application but with a multi lingual interface. So I installed >> pharo3 and then seaside via con

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

On 7/9/14 15:32, Peter Schorsch wrote: Hi, Just started with pharo and seaside. Welcome! Now I want to write an example seaside-application but with a multi lingual interface. So I installed pharo3 and then seaside via configuration browser. But then I had to realize that the seaside-gette

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

I don't know anything about Seaside or Gettext packages, however I notice one thing (below)... Peter Schorsch wrote: Hi, Just started with pharo and seaside. Now I want to write an example seaside-application but with a multi lingual interface. So I installed pharo3 and then seaside via config

[Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

Hi, Just started with pharo and seaside. Now I want to write an example seaside-application but with a multi lingual interface. So I installed pharo3 and then seaside via configuration browser. But then I had to realize that the seaside-gettext package was not installed; and also no gettext pack