Re: [Pharo-users] Commit request on PBKDF2

2018-05-06 Thread Udo Schneider
Hi Martín, sure - go ahead and change/fix it. JFYI - one of the last things on my todo list was to move PBKDF2 to github. If somebody volunteers I'm happy to pass on any maintainer related "things". :-) I won't have the time to do anything serious in Smalltalk for the foreseeable future any

Re: [Pharo-users] Histogram for files dates and sizes

2018-05-06 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Hi Offray, You can add ticks as follows: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= c := (1 to: 100) collect: [ :i | 50 atRandom @ 50 atRandom ]. g := RTGrapher new. d := RTData new. d points: c. d x: #x. d y: #y. g add: d. g axisX noTick. g axisY noTick. g addDecorator: (RTVerticalValuesDecorator new ad

Re: [Pharo-users] Saving a Smalltalk Project

2018-05-06 Thread Marten Feldtmann
>From my current experiences ... the people do not choose OODBs, because in the mainstream languages the stuff is simply not visible (market share). The knowledge is not there and the biggest problem - a programming interfaces are not available. People use RDBMS oder NoSQl systems, because these s

Re: [Pharo-users] Saving a Smalltalk Project

2018-05-06 Thread Todd Blanchard
It sounds great...until something goes wrong. I wouldn’t choose it for important data. I might use it as a local cache. Especially when it has a single maintainer I could go to for help. Sent from the road > On May 6, 2018, at 11:44, Stephan Eggermont wrote: > > Todd Blanchard wrote: >> Jus

Re: [Pharo-users] Saving a Smalltalk Project

2018-05-06 Thread Todd Blanchard
Postgres is indeed awesome - but pretty heavy for a resource constrained IoT client. It’s great on the server though. Sent from the road > On May 6, 2018, at 10:36, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > > PostgreSQL is a totally valid alternative as well. It is a real RDBMS, cross > platform, open s

Re: [Pharo-users] Personal Programming onPharo

2018-05-06 Thread Norbert Hartl
As you are not biased to understand what I was saying can you please define what „stability“ means to you? After all those years I‘m fed up with people using terms like „stability“ or „scability“ as if the were self-explaining. The same goes for „enterprise needs“. They are not, they are defin

Re: [Pharo-users] Personal Programming onPharo

2018-05-06 Thread horrido
I was thinking the same thing. Enterprises need to rely on a stable distribution over a long period of time. That's why many Linux distros have LTS versions. That's why VisualWorks is the enterprise standard. tblanchard wrote > OK, I have to push back at this. > > When Pharo forked I was excit

Re: [Pharo-users] Personal Programming onPharo

2018-05-06 Thread Todd Blanchard
OK, I have to push back at this. When Pharo forked I was excited because Squeak was such a fast moving lab experiment that you couldn't build anything and expect it to work in a year. Pharo was supposed to be the "business ready" fork leaving Squeak to be the crazy lab experiment. From https:/

Re: [Pharo-users] Using secure websockets server side with Zinc

2018-05-06 Thread Cyril Ferlicot D.
Le 06/05/2018 à 20:46, Francisco Ortiz Peñaloza a écrit : > Sorry for the OT but I interested in how you're using WebSockets and > Seaside.  > > Can you share how are you mix them together? > Hi, We do it in this project: https://github.com/TelescopeSt/TelescopeCytoscape This project allow to

Re: [Pharo-users] Saving a Smalltalk Project

2018-05-06 Thread Stephan Eggermont
Todd Blanchard wrote: > Just out of curiosity, why do you want an OODB? http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5602

Re: [Pharo-users] Using secure websockets server side with Zinc

2018-05-06 Thread Francisco Ortiz Peñaloza
Sorry for the OT but I interested in how you're using WebSockets and Seaside. Can you share how are you mix them together? On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 11:40 AM Cyril Ferlicot D. wrote: > On 02/05/2018 16:29, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > > Hi Cyril, > > > > Thank you for the infos and the fast re

Re: [Pharo-users] reading from a named pipe in Pharo

2018-05-06 Thread Alistair Grant
Hi Siemen & Mariano, On 5 May 2018 at 16:26, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Hi Siemen, > > You may want to check the pipe support code in OSSubprocess [1]. Note that > the pipes should work outside of OSSubprocess. You can read the > documentation as well as the unit tests for the pipes. > > Chee

Re: [Pharo-users] Saving a Smalltalk Project

2018-05-06 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
PostgreSQL is a totally valid alternative as well. It is a real RDBMS, cross platform, open source, with wide support. We have two network level drivers in Pharo (PostgresV2 and recently P3) and it works well under GLORP. > On 6 May 2018, at 19:10, Todd Blanchard wrote: > > Just out of curiosi

Re: [Pharo-users] Saving a Smalltalk Project

2018-05-06 Thread horrido
I tend to agree with you. I like SQLite. Also, MongoDB isn't bad, either. But is there no scenario where an OODB would be highly advantageous? tblanchard wrote > Just out of curiosity, why do you want an OODB? > > SQLite has a plethora of tools, powerful query capabilities, can be > migrated w

Re: [Pharo-users] Saving a Smalltalk Project

2018-05-06 Thread Todd Blanchard
Just out of curiosity, why do you want an OODB? SQLite has a plethora of tools, powerful query capabilities, can be migrated with very little pain, and can act a bit like an OODB using GLORP. I have lost too many data sets to proprietary OODBs to ever trust one again. > On May 6, 2018, at 10:00

Re: [Pharo-users] Saving a Smalltalk Project

2018-05-06 Thread horrido
Just out of curiosity, which object database is recommended for Pharo? Something that is reliably up-to-date as Pharo changes. Stephan Eggermont-3 wrote > Sean P. DeNigris < > sean@ > > wrote: >> OT: It's ironic that Smalltalkers are often accused of NIH syndrome, but >> the >> first reaction o

Re: [Pharo-users] Showcasing Pharo, Roassal and Grafoscopio at re:publica 2018

2018-05-06 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
On 06/05/18 08:03, p...@highoctane.be wrote: > Offray, > > > Not sure if the code that is loaded is correct for the data selfies > because: > > > > getAvatar being missing. > > Phil You need to update the Dataviz package (Grafoscopio docking bar has an option for it)  before running the code in

Re: [Pharo-users] Showcasing Pharo, Roassal and Grafoscopio at re:publica 2018

2018-05-06 Thread p...@highoctane.be
Offray, On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 1:14 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas < offray.l...@mutabit.com> wrote: > Hi Sean, > > This was a crazy week! Lot of stuff happening, but the important was > getting the people network stronger by meeting again, talking, drinking, > dancing, besides all talks, wor

Re: [Pharo-users] Showcasing Pharo, Roassal and Grafoscopio at re:publica 2018

2018-05-06 Thread p...@highoctane.be
On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 1:14 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas < offray.l...@mutabit.com> wrote: > Hi Sean, > > This was a crazy week! Lot of stuff happening, but the important was > getting the people network stronger by meeting again, talking, drinking, > dancing, besides all talks, workshops and

Re: [Pharo-users] Showcasing Pharo, Roassal and Grafoscopio at re:publica 2018

2018-05-06 Thread p...@highoctane.be
On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 2:34 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas < offray.l...@mutabit.com> wrote: > > > On 06/05/18 07:16, p...@highoctane.be wrote: > > > > > I actually restarted the loading process and then, magic, no more error. > > Seems like a known problem that should be tackled with using Ton

Re: [Pharo-users] Showcasing Pharo, Roassal and Grafoscopio at re:publica 2018

2018-05-06 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
On 06/05/18 07:16, p...@highoctane.be wrote: > > > > I actually restarted the loading process and then, magic, no more error. > > Seems like a known problem that should be tackled with using Tonel > format etc. https://github.com/pharo-vcs/iceberg/issues/94 > > But then, another issue, related to

Re: [Pharo-users] Showcasing Pharo, Roassal and Grafoscopio at re:publica 2018

2018-05-06 Thread p...@highoctane.be
Hi Offray, On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas < offray.l...@mutabit.com> wrote: > Hi Phil, > > On 27/04/18 03:02, p...@highoctane.be wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 3:57 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas < > offray.l...@mutabit.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I will be

Re: [Pharo-users] Showcasing Pharo, Roassal and Grafoscopio at re:publica 2018

2018-05-06 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
Hi Phil, Seems that some dependency related with GT-Examples and LibGit changed recently. On Mac/Linux installation was well until last week. I have had problems with LibGit in the past (which BTW, makes any install process really unpleasant), but I don't know if they're related with your issue.

Re: [Pharo-users] How to LAN feature

2018-05-06 Thread p...@highoctane.be
On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Norbert Hartl wrote: > If it is on a single network this should be doable by using UDP broadcast > announcements. The share server can announce some information and its IP in > a UDP packet being broadcasted. Every client receives that and then knows > the address

Re: [Pharo-users] Showcasing Pharo, Roassal and Grafoscopio at re:publica 2018

2018-05-06 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
Hi Phil, On 27/04/18 03:02, p...@highoctane.be wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 3:57 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas > mailto:offray.l...@mutabit.com>> wrote: > > Hi, > > I will be showcasing Pharo, Roassal and Grafoscopio at re:publica > 2018, > next week. As you may know, re

Re: [Pharo-users] Showcasing Pharo, Roassal and Grafoscopio at re:publica 2018

2018-05-06 Thread p...@highoctane.be
On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 1:14 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas < offray.l...@mutabit.com> wrote: > Hi Sean, > > This was a crazy week! Lot of stuff happening, but the important was > getting the people network stronger by meeting again, talking, drinking, > dancing, besides all talks, workshops and

Re: [Pharo-users] How to LAN feature

2018-05-06 Thread Norbert Hartl
If it is on a single network this should be doable by using UDP broadcast announcements. The share server can announce some information and its IP in a UDP packet being broadcasted. Every client receives that and then knows the address of the server to connect to Hope this helps, Norbert > Am

Re: [Pharo-users] Showcasing Pharo, Roassal and Grafoscopio at re:publica 2018

2018-05-06 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
Hi Ben, On 27/04/18 02:39, Ben Coman wrote: > > > On 26 April 2018 at 21:57, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas > mailto:offray.l...@mutabit.com>> wrote: > > > Printed material will be shared on how to recreate this experience, > so your friends, family and fellow data activists can take and share > t

Re: [Pharo-users] Showcasing Pharo, Roassal and Grafoscopio at re:publica 2018

2018-05-06 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
Hi Sean, This was a crazy week! Lot of stuff happening, but the important was getting the people network stronger by meeting again, talking, drinking, dancing, besides all talks, workshops and meetups in a context like re:publica[1] and the GIG[2]. So, as I told to the list, I was unable to answer

Re: [Pharo-users] Personal Programming onPharo

2018-05-06 Thread Norbert Hartl
Can you elaborate on what you consider as a kernel? There are always things moving in the pharo world. The last years the virtual machine got some iterations and it is still not fully stable. For pharo it is hard to have it stable because we feel the need that a lot of the existing parts need to

[Pharo-users] How to LAN feature

2018-05-06 Thread Hilaire
Hi, I am looking for advices on a feature I want to develop for Dr. Geo. The need takes place in a LAN, for example in a School computer lab. A teacher and students each run their own instance of Dr. Geo. I want the teacher to be able to share with her students some sketches. Then the student

[Pharo-users] Personal Programming onPharo

2018-05-06 Thread Trygve Reenskaug
I'm working on a programing paradigm and IDE for the personal programmer who wants to control his or her IoT. The size of the target audience I have in mind is >100 million. I gave up Squeak long ago as a platform because they obsolete my code faster than I can write it.  I have now frozen Sque