[Pharo-users] Intro to git-only Pharo

2017-05-09 Thread Joachim Tuchel
Hi guys, please forgive me if this mail is a sign of ignorance. I am not a regular Pharo user and one of the reasons for this is that I didn't like most of the source management tools around Monticello. Coming from an envy background, it feels like not being ready for prime time. Of course yo

Re: [Pharo-users] Epicea vs RB refactorings

2017-05-09 Thread Martin Dias
On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:22 AM, Denis Kudriashov wrote: > > 2017-04-26 11:19 GMT+02:00 Peter Uhnak : > >> Hi, >> >> I'm under the impression that Epicea is supposed to replace RB >> refactorings at some point. >> > > I think it was never the goal and not supposed to happen. Epicea is only > chang

[Pharo-users] Wandering Through Dependency Hell

2017-05-09 Thread Evan Donahue
Hello, I was wondering if there was a resource somewhere that laid out a best practice for how to manage version control in Pharo. I know *how* to use Monticello and Versionner, but something about the way I use them inevitably dooms my efforts to the darkest circles of dependency hell, where stra

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalkers will, eventually, win. So says this old C++ programmer.

2017-05-09 Thread Pierce Ng
On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 06:59:08PM +0200, Stephan Eggermont wrote: > I don't know. I do know that I can't use something with the > ridiculous compile times of Haskell or Swift. That just kills flow > and productivity. You could hop onto an office chair and engage your colleague in sword fighting.

Re: [Pharo-users] smalltalkhub.com down?

2017-05-09 Thread Andrei Chis
Also pharo.org looks down. http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/pharo.org On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:09 PM, Dale Henrichs < dale.henri...@gemtalksystems.com> wrote: > http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://smalltalkhub.com/ > mc/dkh/metacello/main/?C=M;O=D > > >

[Pharo-users] smalltalkhub.com down?

2017-05-09 Thread Dale Henrichs
http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/dkh/metacello/main/?C=M;O=D

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalkers will, eventually, win. So says this old C++ programmer.

2017-05-09 Thread p...@highoctane.be
Let me add that I am perfectly happy with the system given the type and size of applications I do write and maintain. And having flow is #1 criteria for enjoying my work. Phil On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 6:59 PM, Stephan Eggermont wrote: > On 09/05/17 16:17, Eric Velten de Melo wrote: > >> I think

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalkers will, eventually, win. So says this old C++ programmer.

2017-05-09 Thread Göran Krampe
On 09/05/17 21:22, Steven R. Baker wrote: I'd like to have that confirmed; it would challenge "conventional wisdom" on static typing. I don't recall details but I have read that no static type information was actually used for "speeding up", it was all PICs etc. So yes, an interesting fact.

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalkers will, eventually, win. So says this old C++ programmer.

2017-05-09 Thread Steven R. Baker
> I think he forgets to mention Haskell, which is probably the reason > behind the shift of Swift towards optional values (Option type in > Scala, Maybe type in Haskell). You can't talk about modern type system > without talking about Haskell, Monads and Algebraic Data Types (Maybe > is a monad). >

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalkers will, eventually, win. So says this old C++ programmer.

2017-05-09 Thread Stephane Ducasse
This is why three years ago a convinced Pablo Tesone and Nicolas Passerini to work on a Type Inferencer for Pharo. Now the economic situation in argentina pushed Pablo to take another grant. And this is why we proposed as a topic to new guy in our team to work on this topic. Unfortunately the syste

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalkers will, eventually, win. So says this old C++ programmer.

2017-05-09 Thread Joachim Tuchel
+1 and ;-) Am 09.05.2017 um 18:59 schrieb Stephan Eggermont: On 09/05/17 16:17, Eric Velten de Melo wrote: I think he forgets to mention Haskell, which is probably the reason behind the shift of Swift towards optional values (Option type in Scala, Maybe type in Haskell). You can't talk about m

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalkers will, eventually, win. So says this old C++ programmer.

2017-05-09 Thread Stephan Eggermont
On 09/05/17 16:17, Eric Velten de Melo wrote: I think he forgets to mention Haskell, which is probably the reason behind the shift of Swift towards optional values (Option type in Scala, Maybe type in Haskell). You can't talk about modern type system without talking about Haskell, Monads and Alge

Re: [Pharo-users] Remote Debugger bugs ?

2017-05-09 Thread Denis Kudriashov
2017-05-09 17:22 GMT+02:00 Steven Costiou : > I evaluated "1/0" in a playground in the remote image I found the issue. Debugging remote UI process is not supported well. When you close debugger remote UI process is terminated which makes remote image unresponsive. But it is not completely frozen

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalkers will, eventually, win. So says this old C++ programmer.

2017-05-09 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 10:02 AM askoh wrote: > This is a quote from Bob Martin of "Clean Code" fame. Enjoy, Aik-Siong Koh > > http://blog.cleancoder.com/uncle-bob/2016/05/01/TypeWars.html > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Smalltalkers-will-eventually-win-So-says-t

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalkers will, eventually, win. So says this old C++ programmer.

2017-05-09 Thread Raffaello Giulietti
I agree with Eric that some future programming environments will probably provide and encourage optional types + type inference. This doesn't necessarily contrast with late dynamic binding à la Smalltalk. If types are an entangled part of the language, like in virtually any statically typed pr

Re: [Pharo-users] Remote Debugger bugs ?

2017-05-09 Thread Steven Costiou
Hi Denis, > 2017-05-09 17:22 GMT+02:00 Steven Costiou : > >> I evaluated "1/0" in a playground in the remote image, and the exception >> opens in my local image. Now if i clic "abandon", the local image is ok but >> the remote is frozen. If i clic "proceed", the local image is frozen and the >

Re: [Pharo-users] Remote Debugger bugs ?

2017-05-09 Thread Denis Kudriashov
Hi. 2017-05-09 17:22 GMT+02:00 Steven Costiou : > I evaluated "1/0" in a playground in the remote image, and the exception > opens in my local image. Now if i clic "abandon", the local image is ok but > the remote is frozen. If i clic "proceed", the local image is frozen and > the remote is ok. >

[Pharo-users] Remote Debugger bugs ?

2017-05-09 Thread Steven Costiou
Hi, i'm confused with how to configure the remote debugger. I used this link to configure my images: http://dionisiydk.blogspot.fr/2017/01/pharmide-pharo-remote-ide-to-develop.html I evaluated "1/0" in a playground in the remote image, and the exception opens in my local image. Now if i clic "a

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalkers will, eventually, win. So says this old C++ programmer.

2017-05-09 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
2017-05-09 5:59 GMT-03:00 Sven Van Caekenberghe : > Great article. Thanks for sharing. > > Not that I or most people here need convincing, but it is nice to see others > voicing this opinion. +1 Not only the opinion, but it is good to see somebody with such influence recognizing the merits of Sm

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalkers will, eventually, win. So says this old C++ programmer.

2017-05-09 Thread Eric Velten de Melo
I think he forgets to mention Haskell, which is probably the reason behind the shift of Swift towards optional values (Option type in Scala, Maybe type in Haskell). You can't talk about modern type system without talking about Haskell, Monads and Algebraic Data Types (Maybe is a monad). I don't be

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalkers will, eventually, win. So says this old C++ programmer.

2017-05-09 Thread Ben Coman
Fantastic article. Very well rounded. I particularly liked "Meanwhile the Smalltalk programmers were scratching their heads wondering what the big deal was. You see, their language was also strongly typed; but their types were undeclared. In Smalltalk types were enforced at runtime." and..."You

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo for Raspberry Pi

2017-05-09 Thread Serge Stinckwich
On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Stephane Ducasse wrote: > Hi richard, > > Denis is working on a raspberry connexion. > He showed us that he can remotely control an arduino connected to a > raspberry running Pharo. > I will demo it during Pharodays and we plan to produce a tutorial. > So you can be

Re: [Pharo-users] prespur vm for sierra

2017-05-09 Thread Tudor Girba
Thanks! This one worked fine. Cheers, Doru > On May 9, 2017, at 2:24 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > > >> On 9 May 2017, at 14:21, Cyril Ferlicot D. wrote: >> >> On 09/05/2017 14:13, Tudor Girba wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have a demo image coming from a pre-Spur era, and I just realized that

Re: [Pharo-users] prespur vm for sierra

2017-05-09 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
> On 9 May 2017, at 14:21, Cyril Ferlicot D. wrote: > > On 09/05/2017 14:13, Tudor Girba wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I have a demo image coming from a pre-Spur era, and I just realized that I >> cannot run the old VM on Sierra. >> >> Is there a version that I can use for this? >> > > Hi, > > http:

Re: [Pharo-users] prespur vm for sierra

2017-05-09 Thread Cyril Ferlicot D.
On 09/05/2017 14:13, Tudor Girba wrote: > Hi, > > I have a demo image coming from a pre-Spur era, and I just realized that I > cannot run the old VM on Sierra. > > Is there a version that I can use for this? > Hi, http://files.pharo.org/get-files/40/pharo-mac-stable.zip It should work. > Ch

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] [ann] bloc & cairo+morphic

2017-05-09 Thread Alexandre Bergel
This is amazing! I gave a try an it really looks great! Alexandre > On May 8, 2017, at 6:00 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > > Hi, > > We are happy to announce that based on the work of Glenn, Alex extended Bloc > (Sparta) to work directly in the Morphic world using Cairo as a backend. > > Cairo is

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo for Raspberry Pi

2017-05-09 Thread horrido
Thanks. It works. Ben Coman wrote > On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 2:35 AM, horrido < > horrido.hobbies@ > > wrote: > >> I'm following Torsten's article, "Pharo Pi," to setup my new Raspberry Pi >> 3. >> The only differences are: 1) I'm using 63.zip for the VM instead of >> 61.zip; >> 2) I'm using Pha

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] [ann] bloc & cairo+morphic

2017-05-09 Thread Norbert Hartl
Very good work. Thanks for that! Norbert > Am 08.05.2017 um 23:00 schrieb Tudor Girba : > > Hi, > > We are happy to announce that based on the work of Glenn, Alex extended Bloc > (Sparta) to work directly in the Morphic world using Cairo as a backend. > > Cairo is less powerful than Moz2D (see

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo for Raspberry Pi

2017-05-09 Thread Attila Magyar
As I remember, last time I used the standard squeak vm that is shipped with the rpi3, and it worked fine with Pharo. I don't remember whether it was a spur image or not, but it worth trying out. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-for-Raspberry-Pi-tp4945740p4946015.html

Re: [Pharo-users] SSL/TLS plugin initailization failed (VM plugin missing ? OS libraries missing ?)

2017-05-09 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
For Pharo 5, on the same machine: $ curl get.pharo.org/50+vm | bash ... $ ./pharo --version 5.0 #1 Wed May 4 11:54:28 CEST 2016 gcc 4.6.3 [Production Spur ITHB VM] CoInterpreter VMMaker.oscog-eem.1855 uuid: d8e4a3c2-a3bf-4adc-b224-8012903a1ef4 May 4 2016 StackToRegisterMappingCogit VMMaker.osc

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalkers will, eventually, win. So says this old C++ programmer.

2017-05-09 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
Great article. Thanks for sharing. Not that I or most people here need convincing, but it is nice to see others voicing this opinion. > On 9 May 2017, at 08:49, askoh wrote: > > This is a quote from Bob Martin of "Clean Code" fame. Enjoy, Aik-Siong Koh > > http://blog.cleancoder.com/uncle-bob

Re: [Pharo-users] SSL/TLS plugin initailization failed (VM plugin missing ? OS libraries missing ?)

2017-05-09 Thread Marc Hanisch via Pharo-users
--- Begin Message --- Sorry I had not yet the time to test your suggestions, but yes, I forgot to mention, that I also have this problems with Pharo 5! Best regards, Marc 2017-05-09 9:08 GMT+02:00 Julien Delplanque : > Hello, > > I did the same thing as you and it works. > > When I do: > > ./pha

Re: [Pharo-users] SSL/TLS plugin initailization failed (VM plugin missing ? OS libraries missing ?)

2017-05-09 Thread Julien Delplanque
Hello, I did the same thing as you and it works. When I do: ./pharo --version I get: 5.0-201705022326 Tue May 2 23:46:52 UTC 2017 gcc 4.6.3 [Production Spur ITHB VM] CoInterpreter VMMaker.oscog-eem.2203 uuid: 12d4afae-8498-4e76-8efe-60eba6ef4db2 May 2 2017 StackToRegisterMappingCogit VMM

[Pharo-users] Smalltalkers will, eventually, win. So says this old C++ programmer.

2017-05-09 Thread askoh
This is a quote from Bob Martin of "Clean Code" fame. Enjoy, Aik-Siong Koh http://blog.cleancoder.com/uncle-bob/2016/05/01/TypeWars.html -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Smalltalkers-will-eventually-win-So-says-this-old-C-programmer-tp4945895.html Sent from the Pharo Smal