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I hate to pour cold water on this, but why is it worth adding support
for a platform that has such marginal usage.
Because someone feels like dedicating their resources to it ... ?
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can't connect to it using psql, which makes it confusing as to why I'm
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My only thought would be to change 'pseudo' to 'virtual' ... my initial
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On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Fujii Masao wrote:
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:25 AM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
I&#
ation mentions?
Why are those that don't want it determining what those that do want it
have access to? Easier for those that don't want it to 'skip it' then it
is for those that do to go searching in older releases for it ...
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Berkus and I could provide that list with nothing but a care bear
discussion.
+1 ... but, why the 'top 15'? why not just those that are uncommented to
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/me pushes luck
And how about a set of back-branch releases while we're at it?
We tend to try and avoid overlapping a "release" with a "beta" to avoid
confusion ... but didn't we just do a fresh back branch release a
On Wed, 21 Apr 2010, Robert Haas wrote:
Well, never mind that then. How about a beta next week?
I'm good for that ...
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, Robert Haas wrote:
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Wed, 21 Apr 2010, Robert Haas wrote:
Well, never mind that then. How about a beta next week?
I'm good for that ...
Anyone else want to weigh in for or against this?
We're
7;re not throwing in any new
code .. it is a time for more 'end users' to start testing real world
applications (even if they won't run 9.0, but will wait for 9.0.1) to
start evaluating, which inevitable will generate bug reports to be fixed
...
M
have to subscribe, but it
would make it easier for ppl to filter their incoming ... ?
Not sure where the split would be, mind you ... almost thinking about
patch review / discussions vs hashing out new features or something like
that ...
Just a thought ...
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at we have such strong
commit fests, that we should have a seperate form for 'design phase' then
for 'reivew discusions' ... *shrug*
There may be some that are interested in what is being implemented, but
don't really care about how it was implement
ng with -general but that means I won't be likely
to see any development discussion on them in the future
There shouldn't be any dev discussions on them as it is ... that isn't
their mandate ... those are/were meant to be end-user lists, not
developer ones ...
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On Thu, 13 May 2010, Magnus Hagander wrote:
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:04 AM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Wed, 12 May 2010, Greg Stark wrote:
I'm thinking I'll move -general (and the useless -novice) to another folder.
But I'm left wondering what to do with -admin and -perform
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On Thu, 13 May 2010, Magnus Hagander wrote:
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
My thought had been a split along the lines of major components of the server
... for instance, a totally seperate list for HS related issues, so that, if
nothing else, those 'lurkers&
me .. all list email does have an
X-Mailing-List header added so that you can label based on list itself ...
is that what you mean, or are you thinking of something else entirely?
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On Thu, 13 May 2010, Tom Lane wrote:
"Marc G. Fournier" writes:
On Thu, 13 May 2010, Magnus Hagander wrote:
We tried that with pgsql-hackers-win32 and iirc also
pgsql-hackers-pitr, and it was a big failure...
But, we are doing that now with pgsql-cluster-hackers and it looks to
? Right now, ppl filter based on the
X-Mailing-List header, or just the Participant ...
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iction against cross posting altogether?
... and, for those that have been here awhile, who "should know better",
why isn't there any self-management of this sort of stuff in the first
place?
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-performance ... that way those on -general know that
its been redirected, but *hopefully* users replying will honor the
-performance redirect ...
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the server
-novice : I'm a new user
-odbc : how to use ...
-php : php related interface questions
-interfaces : more general then -odbc
why not close down -general so that ppl *have* to use better pick where to
post their question ...
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r ...
I am definitely against *merging* lists ... getting rid of the 'meta list'
makes more sense so as to force ppl to *use* the smaller lists then to
merge smaller lists and *increase* the noise on one of them ...
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On Fri, 14 May 2010, Yeb Havinga wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Thu, 13 May 2010, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Excerpts from Yeb Havinga's message of jue may 13 15:06:53 -0400 2010:
My $0.02 - I like the whole 'don't sort, search' (or how did they call
it?) just let the i
prove.
Can you offer improvd / stronger wording on this ... ?
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it ...
In fact, I just removed / changed to BCC -hackers so that all further
discussions on this part of the thread will be on -chat ...
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appropriate ones ...
Personally, my experience with large lists is that if there is a smaller,
more focused list, I'll post there first, to avoid being lost in the noise
... and, I will re-post to a more general list *if* and only if I'm unable
to get an answer from where I poste
on receipt.
*Exactly* ... the thought that we should increase the volume on any one of
the lists seems counter-productive, but, I guess is the @postgresql.org
mailing lists are the only ones that someone participats into, maybe they
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On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
And IMHO, that is as much a fault of the 'old timers' on the lists as the
newbies ... if nobody redirects / loosely enforces the mandates of the
various lists, newbies aren't go
, ppl see it ...
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On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 17:31, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Wed, 29 Sep 2010, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Excerpts from Peter Eisentraut's message of mi? sep 29 04:08:35 -0400
2010:
On s?n, 2010-09-26 at 17:11 +0200, Magnus Hagander
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list be eliminated first though ... ?
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message
Possibly Marc should adopt the habit of making the commit messages read
like "Stamp 9.0.2", rather than "Tag".
+1, that sounds like a good idea.
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sonably be blamed for not following etiquette. That's simply
not true with the current divisions.
how about something -sql vs -tuning ... ? -tuning replacing -performance,
which I do agree could be sql *or* server ... where -tuning would be more
obviously server related ...
Marc G.
7;t hitting the same bugs that
were reported (and fixed), weeks earlier ...
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shouldn't be a requirement to stamp code BETA and create a tar ball ...
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On Mon, 31 May 2010, Bruce Momjian wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Mon, 31 May 2010, Tom Lane wrote:
I find myself entirely unimpressed by proposals to make releases
according to some rigid schedule that takes no account of whether
packaging manpower is actually available.
How many beta
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On Mon, 31 May 2010, Tom Lane wrote:
"Marc G. Fournier" writes:
On Mon, 31 May 2010, Bruce Momjian wrote:
Well, they can just grab nightly snapshots and test, right? I don't
think a beta is fundamentally different from a nightly snapshot,
source-code wise.
doesn'
to lag for several days. Or there are a couple of pass-throughs, for
release announcements and PWN, which are not moderated.
I've asked several times that we add additional moderators for -announce.
Anyone volunteering ... ? Adding is simple enough ...
Marc G. Fou
and
living in different time zones is an idea. If nobody in +0900 tinme
zone(Japan), I'd like to be an additional moderator.
Sounds great to me ... please confirm what email address you wish to use
for this and I'll get you added ...
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hecked the body of the message to now it shouldn't be approved
... most of the work is already done by that point ...
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This will be of more concern later, I imagine, when we're dealing with a
9.0 -> 9.1 upgrade ...
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On Mon, 28 Jun 2010, Josh Berkus wrote:
On 6/28/10 11:52 AM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
Why not do prep work with a release on the 5th?
I think that a bunch of the people needed for wraps are Americans. No?
I'm not sure of all our nationalities .. I'm in Canada, Dave is in EU ...
that?
- Someone will need to branch the tree after the wrap and stamp it
9.1devel. Who is doing that?
Me, after I wrap
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Cool. So, should we have Bruce go ahead and pgindent now?
Yup, as that will give 3 days before wrap / branch to deal with any fall
out from mit :)
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As decided at this years hackers conference, we are branching
REL9_0_STABLE *before* the release, instead of after.
The hope is that we won't be taking away resources from finishing the
release, but still allow ppl to continue to work on projects that are for
9.1.
The branch is now created
reason to do a beta then, we don't
do it ...
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27;d like to be able to write perl scripts that talk to the backend without
having to remember all the various system tables I need to query / join to
get the same results as \d gives me in psql ... same for any interface
language, really ...
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On Thu, 15 Jul 2010, Thom Brown wrote:
On 15 July 2010 17:07, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Thu, 15 Jul 2010, Thom Brown wrote:
If it's only a psql problem, why implement it as SQL? Is it just so we're
not adding keywords specifically to psql? In that case, it shouldn'
multiple table s(or
information_schema), that option is still open to them ...
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h, it'd be
SELECT * FROM TABLES;
mre like:
SELECT * FROM TABLES WHERE not a system table or information schema table;
if we want to get *somewhere* close to \d ...
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SQL
to get the information, then 'SHOW TABLES' doesn't really provide them
anything, does it?
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gist of this question, but ... how can they use them
if they don't exist?
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On Fri, 16 Jul 2010, Simon Riggs wrote:
SQLServer and Sybase use sp_ procedures for this
Haven't experienced Sybase for 2 years in my last job, I can tell you that
the sp_* commands are definitely non-intuitive :(
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list used.
Bruce, can you confirm the last two? I assume you were around back
then? ;) Or maybe Marc?
Dan McGuirk is definitely right. I do not remember Julian Assange at
all. Why do we believe it is Julian Assange?
That name definitely rings a bell for me ...
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'slapping in a patch', I would expect it to have some sort of preliminary
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b. what happens after 2 months? we delete them?
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mv -f HISTORY INSTALL ../../..
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right, as peter originally said, 'make dist' *could* incorporate the steps that
right now lead up to 'make dist' (ie. build the docs) ...
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cvs# du -sk cvsroot
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at was a good thing, but for security's sake these files ought to be
> chown'd to some existing committer's account.
I can do a quick chown -R scrappy on the whole repository ... ok?
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g, it should generate an error
message ... not sure of the best way to test that it actually works, since, if
it doesn't work, of course, you'll add on another tag, but do you want to try
and create a 'fake tag' and then delete it afterwards?
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>> It should be done ... if you try and create a
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One better (and done now):
find . -nouser -exec chown scrappy {} \;
so, all files that had valid users owning them stay with those ...
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account anyway. It should be
> done as the person doing the tagging.
Agreed, I'm going to start doing it as myself from now on ... I'm not even 100%
certain *why* I started doing it as pgsql in the first place ...
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>>
>> --On Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:11:35 +0200 Peter Eisentraut
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e new one is just waiting on your time scheduale ... its there ready for you
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> But my question still stands - how much work to stop-gap fix it on the
> old one?
rsync should be upgraded now ...
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ase someone wants to fix
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the ftp.postgresql.org. IMHO pgfoundry project will confuse people.
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> Both: ftp and pgfoundry.
ftp://ftp.postgresql.org/pub/projects/{gborg,pgFoundry}
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gt; either fix those or decide we're not going to fix them. I'm a bit
> annoyed that Oleg and Teodor haven't responded to any of those comments.
Remove the tsearch2 stuff if we can't even get feedback from the developers at
such a critical time?
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>> Log Message:
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>>
>> simple script to pull together a very small (<500k)
y tied anywhere in the build
infrastructure :(
I won't object if ppl would rather I remove it ...
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>> Unfortunately, it isn't usable right now, as it does require a modif
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> Peter Eisentraut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>
]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 21:26 -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>>
>> Any idea on how often narwhal will do a build?
>
> It looks that it builds -HEAD every 6 hours:
>
> http://pgbuildfarm.org/cgi-bin/show_history.pl?nm=narwhal&br=HEAD
>
t; Grumble ... looks like we have to use ftruncate to keep Windows
> happy. Will fix.
>
> regards, tom lane
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>> configure (r1.570 -> r1.571)
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>> &r2=1.571)
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> It appears that Marc has got autoconf 2.61 installed now, in
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- --On Thursday, November 15, 2007 21:21:59 -0800 "Joshua D. Drake"
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>> That would be a good idea, an
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- --On Friday, November 16, 2007 00:03:46 -0500 Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>>> I can't commit but I can giv
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