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"oh, it's an error".
>
> What *does* it do in MySQL?
And knowing it's MySQL … "oh, probably *not* an error", but like you … I'd be
mystified.
Should 01 like '0%' match?
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On Feb 18, 2012, at 1:43 PM, Christopher Browne wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Don Baccus wrote:
>>
>> On Feb 18, 2012, at 12:57 PM, Rob Wultsch wrote:
>>>
>>> Where first_name is string the queries above have very different
>>> behaviour
this thread after "leakproof" was settled on and was curious as to
what "leakproof" was supposed to be as I didn't read the earlier posts. I
assumed it meant "doesn't leak memory", which seems admirable and typical and
not needful of an attribute on the funct
On Feb 19, 2012, at 7:24 PM, Tom Lane wrote:
> Don Baccus writes:
>> On Feb 19, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Tom Lane wrote:
>>> Hmm, "pure" doesn't sound bad to me. Nice and short.
>
>> Technically, "pure" is stronger than "has no side effects&
ACS project,
because when researching PG we compared datamodels written in this style
vs. modelling the object relationships manually with automatically
generated views. We found the datamodel written using PG's OO
extensions not only potentially more efficient, but more readable as wel
ble as
>>well.
>
>
> This is trivial to do with a view.
And views of this sort are trivial to do using PG's OO extensions.
I think I see a trend in this thread. Why not give it up, dude?
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Curt Sampson wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Don Baccus wrote:
>
>
>>And views of this sort are trivial to do using PG's OO extensions.
>
>
> So long as you don't mind them being broken, yeah. But hell, when someone
> asks for a unique constraint, they p
"foo"
dotlrn=#
Which doesn't exist in the view approach in PG at least (I'm unclear on
standard SQL92 and of course this says nothing about the relational
model in theory, just PG and perhaps SQL92 in practice).
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tinized, "just syntactic sugar" ...
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Curt Sampson wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, Don Baccus wrote:
>
>
>>I've been wanting to point out that SQL views are really, when
>>scrutinized, "just syntactic sugar" ...
>
>
> Oh? Ok, please translate the following into equivalant SQL that
&g
Curt Sampson wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, Don Baccus wrote:
>
>
>>>Oh? Ok, please translate the following into equivalant SQL that
>>>does not use a view:
>>>...
>>
>>Granulize GRANT to the table column level.
>
>
> Can you please sh
Tom Lane wrote:
> Curt Sampson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, Don Baccus wrote:
>>
>>>Granulize GRANT to the table column level.
>>
>
>>Can you please show me the code for that?
>
>
> It's required by the
ar less
spectacular than the Oracle bug I mention here.
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f very limited utility. As
I mention this is exactly why we choose not to use it at OpenACS.
On the other hand at least we took the time to understand how it
actually does work before criticizing it.
It's a pity, as I pointed out the reduction in joins alone would really
be great.
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getting around it.
And yes I know he's not reading my mail and no, don't bother repeating
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behavior ...
Here's a lengthier and polite description - he's trying to impress us
with his brilliance which several of us are just too dense to recognize
on our own.
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> statements and suggesting people to read heavy books with the claim that
> the truth is somewhere in there ;)
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ter,
Even if primary keys were forced to be generated from a sequence (a very
artificial restriction), unique constraints are also implemented by
index. And people also join on columns other than their primary key so
will want indexes on these columns to span tables, also.
-
n many enterprise-level commercial environments this isn't such a big deal.
Since your (Bruce's) hopes for a wealthy future depends on GB IPO'ing which
will only come with significant penetration of the enterprise commercial environment,
I humbly suggest you don't write them off
s that more and more requests to ease porting from Oracle
to Postgres are cropping up.
This says that more and more people from the "real" RDBMS world are starting to take
Postgres seriously.
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sn't what I'd expect.
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ring. The result of
concatenating with NULL is NULL.
> Have any idea or suggestion on how to workaround this situation.
It's a classic NULL issue. 1+NULL = NULL, too, for instance. Try
something like
"default ''" in your table definition rather than use null. Then you
e driver is unaware that anything has happened (other than
the thread issuing the query that hosed the backend that died in execution, of
course).
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ackend.
Yes, it's a query generation technique separate from the database server,
generating and executing SQL queries on a set of tables in order to satisfy
some goal.
Has nothing to do with the RDBMS itself.
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uence_name')" depending on whether the code's running
under Oracle or Postgres. That helps us minimize differences in the source.
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f the SQL92 draft (the one that's circulated among this
group in
the past) at dsl-dhogaza.pacifier.net. Just use anonymous ftp, it's in the
pub
directory with an obvious name (sql1992.txt???)
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s would tend to bunch up flushers so they flush only once,
>while not delaying cases where only one backend is running.
This sounds like an interesting approach, yes.
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p,
existence_public_p, new_member_policy, multi_role_p)
select nextval(''user_group_sequence''), v_group_type, v_short_name,
v_pretty_name, v_system_user_id, ''0.0.0.0'', ''t'', ''f'', ''closed'',
v_multi_role_p
where not exists (select * from user_groups
where upper(short_name) = upper(v_short_name));
RETURN 1;
end;' language 'plpgsql';
insert into users (user_id) values(1);
insert into user_group_types
(group_type, pretty_name, pretty_plural, approval_policy)
values
('group', 'Group', 'Groups', 'open');
select user_group_add('group', 'shortname', 'prettyname', 'f');
[pgtest@gyrfalcon pgtest]$
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.
The first clause for rule CreatedbStmt references a sixth item that
doesn't exist in the definition.
I've cleaned these up locally (though I just removed the $6 mentioned
last because I have no idea what was intended) so I can compile. Someone
should clean up the CVS sources...
-
At 07:20 PM 11/20/00 -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
>Don Baccus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> All went well except for a handful of occurances of the following error:
>> ERROR: SS_finalize_plan: plan shouldn't reference subplan's variable
>
>Fixed, I believe. Y
uot;select for
update" where Jan felt it was necessary. Whether or not that's sufficient
is another question, but he obviously gave it *some* thought.
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lem is attacked, should one stop at constraints or make certain
that other elements like views are dumped properly, too? (or were views
fixed for 7.1, I admit to a certain amount of "ignoring pgsql-hackers over
the last few months")
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At 12:03 AM 11/21/00 -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
>Peter has remarked that the SQL spec offers a set of system views
>intended to provide exactly this info. That should be looked at;
>if there's a workable standard for this stuff, we oughta follow it.
This and a BUNCH else.
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At 12:18 AM 11/21/00 -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
>Don Baccus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> If this problem is attacked, should one stop at constraints or make certain
>> that other elements like views are dumped properly, too? (or were views
>> fixed for 7.1, I admit to a
ade disk
controllers, etc :)
BAR tools will allow recovery via archives of WAL logs applied
to an archive of the database, to recreate the database in the
case where the existing database has been corrupted.
In Oracle parlance, "WAL" log == "REDO" log, and the BAR tool
builds &
At 09:14 AM 11/22/00 +0800, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote:
>Is there any particular reason the spelling and punctuation in the code
>snippet below is so bad?
Vadim's Russian. This impacts his english but not his ability to implement
complex features like MVCC and WAL :)
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At 10:46 AM 11/22/00 +0800, xuyifeng wrote:
>Hi,
>
>it's obviously there is a query plan optimizer bug, if int2 type used in
fields,
>the plan generator just use sequence scan, it's stupid
Have you checked this with real data after doing a VACUUM ANALYZE?
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teers.
I'm not denigrating the current efforts, because PG documention's pretty
good all things considered. But some volunteers devoted to improving
the docs could accomplish a lot.
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After Tom's bug fix, I can now load the data model with no
problem.
Very cool, I'm pumped!
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>);
>
>create function the_sum (test) returns integer as
>'
> begin;
> return ($1.a + $1.b);
> end;
>' language 'plpgsql';
>
>A select * won't return the_sum
create view test2 select A, B, A+B as the_sum from test;
opment.
>
>If anyone has a way of bolting on any of these to 7.0, I'd be keen to hear
from
>you.
Create a trigger on insert/update for this case...
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t
>you want. We recommend you set LC_COLLATE to "C" and re-initdb.
>For more information see
>
>Thoughts?
Are you SURE you want to use en_US collation? [no]
(ask the question, default to no?)
Yes, a question in initdb is ugly, this whole thing is ugly.
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dea at
>all. Fixing it at 1/200 isn't so great because people not wrapping
>large amounts of inserts/updates with transaction blocks will
>suffer.
I think the default should probably be no delay, and the documentation
on enabling this needs to be clear and obvious (i.e. hard to miss).
the application from any such
problems altogether. The particular problem being described simply
can't occur in this environment.
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r database stuff the release of AOLserver as first Free Beer,
and now Free Speech software has caused me to abandon Apache and suggestions
like the above just make me cringe.
It shouldn't be that hard, folks.
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directly related to
>PostgreSQL but only happens when I use persistent connections..
I've heard rumors that PHP isn't thoroughly threadsafe, could this be a
source of your problems?
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At 07:05 PM 11/19/00 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Cam I ask what BAR is ?
Backup and recovery, presumably...
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At 12:38 AM 11/27/00 -0700, Ron Chmara wrote:
>Don Baccus wrote:
>> At 12:07 AM 11/26/00 -0500, Alain Toussaint wrote:
>> >how about having a middle man between apache (or aolserver or any other
>> >clients...) and PosgreSQL ??
>> >that middleman could
my machine with my forgetting to remove pg_hackers from the distribution
list. I'll try to be more diligent if the discussion continues.
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) or rewrite his queries
to treat empty string as being the same as NULL explicitly.
>Null values are actually quite important because they tell you when you
>don't have data. An empty tring means something is there, whereas a null
>in the same place means complete absense of all data.
ature of Oracle, though, because porting from SQL92
to Oracle can be very difficult if the SQL92 compliant code depends on the
empty
string being different than NULL. Going to SQL92 from Oracle is easier and
you
can write the Oracle queries and inserts in an SQL92-compliant manner.
Benefits of doing so
ow created.
SQL> select count(*) from fubar where some_string is null;
COUNT(*)
--
1
SQL>
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h a feature as any other key feature in
>PG.
>With the advent of unlimited file and record lengths in 7.1, this would be a good
>time to
>include it.
>
>FTI is particularly useful in the context of web content engines.
Well ... it's pretty inadequate, actually. That might
Perdue's article on
PHP Builder implied the same when he spoke of PG 7.1 removing the limit.
Again, PG 7.1 removes the issue entirely, but it is ironic that so many
people had heard that PG suffered from a hard-wired 8KB limit on tuple
length...
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was only lamenting the fact that the world seems to have the impression
that it's not a default, but rather a hard-wired limit.
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At 11:06 PM 11/27/00 -0400, The Hermit Hacker wrote:
>On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Bruce Momjian wrote:
>> OK, can someone collect suggestions, add the code, and integrate it for
>> 7.1?
>
>too late in cycle ...
Yes...
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x27;t be released before Christmas day. I also posted a fairly long answer
to a question Tim's posted at phpbuilder.com regarding recoverability and this guy's
undoubtably read it, too.
Have I forgotten anything, xuyifeng?
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this is harder than it sounds! NULL and '' are indistinguishable
in queries, so how do you treat them differently? Has to be in the
application code, I guess.
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isn't clear (or rather
IM's so flakey one can't really explore enough to see how expensive
auto-update on a busy site would be).
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no longer be possible) with a CREATE/DROP INDEX
>command, and instead would be achieved with a functional ALTER TABLE
>ADD/DROP CONSTRAINT statement.
This is essentially the case in Oracle, though I suspect you could dig
around, find the name of the unannounced unique index, and drop it by
ha
ng to ignore him from now on, suggest others do the same, I'm sure
he'll go away eventually.
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ts full transaction
semantics, archive logging and recovery from REDO logs and all that
will save him? :)
Again ... he's a troll, not even a very entertaining one.
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ect sysdate();
Then "select sysdate from dual", "select (any expression) from dual", etc all do what
you'd expect.
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from the MySQL folk.
That's good. Have the MySQL folk made any effort to reciprocate?
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At 11:38 PM 11/12/00 -0500, Michael Fork wrote:
>Thought this may be of interest to some...
>
>http://www.phpbuilder.com/columns/tim20001112.php3
I just submitted it to slashdot, what the heck :)
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isit too rarely for a system to want to cache my query
returns involved in building my home page, but I'm sure there are many
cases where caching would help).
Again, you have to balance query cache RAM consumption against the benefits
of extra RAM availability to the RDBMS (assuming you h
s all this e-mail showing up so late?
(I'm curious because there have been complaints about the mail server here,
and the article is old hat).
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anything but have
lots of users, scaling well under high levels of load rule.
My thinking is that intellegent caching coupled with a highly-scalable
database wins. That's the world I'm used to...
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ave been liars and cheaters for years, there's no reason to
put any faith into their benchmark efforts.
>>>>
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At 10:19 AM 11/21/00 +, Pete Forman wrote:
>Don Baccus writes:
> > I also hope that the PG crew, and Great Bridge, never stoop so low
> > as to ship benchmarks wired to "prove" PG's superiority.
>
>I thought that Great Bridge's August benchmark
r Python, though there's still a lot of
work to be done to support the full AOLserver API (same's true of ns_java,
actually).
If you use ADP pages, your use of Tcl is typically restricted to snippets of
code anyway, so I've never really understood the complaints about Tcl...
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tty good chance it does.
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but it is more readable and cleaner SQL as
well. I would never write the query in its first form. I'd change the
second one slightly to "select table1.* from ...", though, since those
are apparently the only fields you want.
The optimizer should do a better job on your first
ndard, so is unlikely to get much
>attention from developers.
The insert, at least, can be written in standard SQL anyway...
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At 10:52 AM 11/30/00 -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
>Don Baccus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> The optimizer should do a better job on your first query, sure, but why
>> don't you like writing joins?
>
>The join wouldn't give quite the same answers. If there ar
ainst power failure, which can
cause bad data to be written to both mirrors if both are actively
writing when the plug is pulled.
Power failures are evil, face it! :)
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you can't run the WAL against it.
If you and I are wrong I'd love to be surprised!
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and
>AOLServer's connection pooling (for lack of a better word) stuff.
Well, meanwhile I've gotten confirmation from folks in the PHP world
(via an openacs forum) that it still isn't threadsafe, though there's
an effort underway to track down the problems. I don't kn
e's not talking about using tar on a running
database. BAR tools are needed, as Vadim has pointed out here in
the past.
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ht. That's what's missing in PG 7.1, the existence of tools to
make such backups.
Probably the best answer to the "what does WAL get us, if it doesn't
get us full recoverability" questions is to simply say "it's a prerequisite
to getting full recoverability, P
g system thinks have been written will in actuality be written
before the disk subsystem powers itself down.
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At 11:02 AM 12/1/00 -0800, Nathan Myers wrote:
>On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 06:39:57AM -0800, Don Baccus wrote:
>>
>> Probably the best answer to the "what does WAL get us, if it doesn't
>> get us full recoverability" questions is to simply say "it's a
e most active developers
(Jan and Tom) work for Great Bridge, not PostgreSQL, Inc...
I should think Vadim should play a large role in any effort to add WAL-based
replication to Postgres.
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ote site acks that
>it got the WAL" is (akin to) the familiar two-phase commit.
Right.
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At 03:05 PM 12/1/00 -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
>How about adding COPY XML?
>(kidding of course about the XML, but it would make postgresql more
>buzzword compliant :) )
Hey, we could add a parser and call the module MyXML ...
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At 05:42 PM 12/2/00 +0100, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
>Don Baccus writes:
>
>> Exactly what is PostgreSQL, Inc doing in this area?
>
>Good question... See http://www.erserver.com/.
"Advanced Replication and Distributed Information capabilities are also under
development to
ving us with a potential code fork? If IB gets its political problems
under control and developers rally around it, two years is going to be a
long time to just sit back and wait for PG, Inc to release eRServer.
These developments are a major annoyance.
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bout what this
signals for their future direction.
If PG, Inc starts doing proprietary chunks, and Great Bridge remains 100%
dedicated to Open Source, I know who I'll want to succeed and prosper.
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formation that occurs on
the database are equivalent.
Currently, PG treats NOACTION and RESTRICT as being the same, they're
separated in the code with a comment to that effect, i.e. the code for
NOACTION is duplicated for RESTRICT (in part to make it clear that
in the future we might want
o dismiss open source software out-of-hand.
Couldn't you think of something better, at least? Like ... something
original?
> The .com'ers are trying it at the moment, and there seems to be
>a few flaws... ;)
That's a horrible analogy, and I suspect you know it, bu
gainst the "zero revenue business model" be proven by showing
us some real numbers.
Just what was PG, Inc's net revenue last year, and just how does their mixed
revenue model stack up against the OSS world?
(NOT the .com world, which is in a different business, no matter what Thomas
crewing up PG 7.0 just before beta, without bothering
to test your code, and leaving on vacation.
You were irresponsible then, and you're being irresponsible now.
- Don Baccus, Portland OR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Nature photos, on-line guides, Pacific Northwest
Rare Bird Alert Service and other goodies at
http://donb.photo.net.
have to say I'm feeling pretty silly about raising such an effort to
increase PG awareness in mindshare vs. MySQL. I mean, if PG, Inc's
efforts somehow delineate the hopes and goals of the PG community, I'm
fairly disgusted.
- Don Baccus, Portland OR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Nature photos, on-line guides, Pacific Northwest
Rare Bird Alert Service and other goodies at
http://donb.photo.net.
n source can't
provide enterprise solutions" variety. "Look, even PostgreSQL, Inc realizes
that you must follow a close sourced model in order to provide tools for
the corporate world."
- Don Baccus, Portland OR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Nature photos, on-line guides, Pacific Northwest
Rare Bird Alert Service and other goodies at
http://donb.photo.net.
rresponsible"
>because they want to get paid for their work and don't choose to give away
>their code.
However, I do have the right to make such statements, just as you have the
right to disagree. It's called the first amendment in my country.
- Don Baccus, Portland OR
dware/driver, the other side of the mirror
can faithfully reproduce them on the mirror!)
But since drives contain bearings and such that are much more likely
to fail than electronics (good electronics and good designs, at least),
mechanical failure's more likely and will be known to wh
rce will
be released regardless? Can the community inspect the agreement so we can judge
for ourselves whether or not this assurance is adequately backed by contract
language?
Are your agreements Open Source? :)
- Don Baccus, Portland OR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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to partially
abandon the open source development model for one that is (in some cases) closed
for two years and (in other cases) forever.
- Don Baccus, Portland OR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Nature photos, on-line guides, Pacific Northwest
Rare Bird Alert Service and other goodies at
http://donb.photo.net.
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