Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-23 Thread Bruce Momjian
Josh Berkus wrote: > Bruce, > > I thought this year we were going to start using people's full names > instead of the first names, for clarity. No? OK, I will do this once Josh is done with his modifications. -- Bruce Momjian http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-23 Thread Robert Haas
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: > I thought this year we were going to start using people's full names > instead of the first names, for clarity.  No? +1 for that approach. ...Robert -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to yo

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-23 Thread Josh Berkus
Bruce, I thought this year we were going to start using people's full names instead of the first names, for clarity. No? -- -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://www.pgexperts.com

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-22 Thread Takahiro Itagaki
Bruce Momjian wrote: > I have completed the 9.0 release notes: > http://developer.postgresql.org/pgdocs/postgres/release-9-0.html There is an additional incompatibilitiy in pg_largeobject catalog. We need to rewrite queries to test existences of large objests from SELECT DISTINCT(loid) FR

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-22 Thread Josh Berkus
> Uh, I did adjust the subcategories based on what we completed for 9.0. > You will find many added/removed ones compared to 8.4 > >> warranted. Also, within each subcategory, items should be arranged in >> descending order according to how much impact we expect them to have on >> users. > > I

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-22 Thread Bruce Momjian
Josh Berkus wrote: > Bruce, > > BTW, I didn't say it before, but thanks for getting this draft out > *now*. It's a lot more time than we've had in the past. Sure. For some reason it was easier/faster this time; possible causes: o I am getting better because I have done it before

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-22 Thread Bruce Momjian
Josh Berkus wrote: > > > Uh, are you saying you want to remove the exiting release note > > subcategories and put everything into 7-8 long lists? That hardly seems > > like an improvement, or are you talking about make a user-focused list > > that is shorter with 7-8 categories? > > I'm talking

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-22 Thread Josh Berkus
Bruce, BTW, I didn't say it before, but thanks for getting this draft out *now*. It's a lot more time than we've had in the past. -- -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://www.pge

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-22 Thread Josh Berkus
> Uh, are you saying you want to remove the exiting release note > subcategories and put everything into 7-8 long lists? That hardly seems > like an improvement, or are you talking about make a user-focused list > that is shorter with 7-8 categories? I'm talking about adjusting which subcategori

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-22 Thread Bruce Momjian
Josh Berkus wrote: > On 3/22/10 7:46 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > I do not require them to submit SGML; just some format where I can > > identify the lines that changed. I can do the same for the release > > notes. I have to check the diffs anyway so manually merging in the > > changes isn't a p

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-22 Thread Bruce Momjian
Joachim Wieland wrote: > On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 5:02 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Interestingly the 9.0 release notes contain 201 items, while the 8.4 > > release notes contained 314 items. > > Is the following pg_dump change covered by the release notes? I > couldn't find it. It was the last co

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-22 Thread Joachim Wieland
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 5:02 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Interestingly the 9.0 release notes contain 201 items, while the 8.4 > release notes contained 314 items. Is the following pg_dump change covered by the release notes? I couldn't find it. It was the last committed patch from the 2010-01 comm

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-22 Thread Magnus Hagander
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 23:18, Josh Berkus wrote: > >> Uh why?  Open the file with a text editor, cut and paste the lines >> elsewhere. > > ... because even one edit by anyone else is a merge conflict.  And CVS > isn't too good with merge conflicts.  Also few of the people whom I'd > want to ask f

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-22 Thread Josh Berkus
> Uh why? Open the file with a text editor, cut and paste the lines > elsewhere. ... because even one edit by anyone else is a merge conflict. And CVS isn't too good with merge conflicts. Also few of the people whom I'd want to ask for help are committers -- the release notes are as much about

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-22 Thread David Fetter
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 02:18:04PM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: > On 3/22/10 7:46 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > I do not require them to submit SGML; just some format where I > > can identify the lines that changed. I can do the same for the > > release notes. I have to check the diffs anyway so man

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-22 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On mån, 2010-03-22 at 14:18 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: > So there are 2 large problems I have with the SGML version, let's see if > we can deal with them separately: > > (1) re-arranging and regrouping the items: the stuff in the release > notes should end up in 7-8 clear categories, with items arr

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-22 Thread Josh Berkus
On 3/22/10 7:46 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > I do not require them to submit SGML; just some format where I can > identify the lines that changed. I can do the same for the release > notes. I have to check the diffs anyway so manually merging in the > changes isn't a problem. So there are 2 large

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-22 Thread Bruce Momjian
Josh Berkus wrote: > > >> In hindsight I could have loaded the ASCII release notes into a wiki and > >> people could have modified, them, and later I could have converted them > >> to SGML, > > That was, in fact, *exactly* what you said you'd do 3 months ago when we > discussed this. I now remem

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-21 Thread Josh Berkus
>> In hindsight I could have loaded the ASCII release notes into a wiki and >> people could have modified, them, and later I could have converted them >> to SGML, That was, in fact, *exactly* what you said you'd do 3 months ago when we discussed this. > > Yeah, I don't think that would have bee

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-21 Thread Robert Haas
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > bruce wrote: >> Josh Berkus wrote: >> > On 3/19/10 9:02 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: >> > > I have completed the 9.0 release notes: >> > > >> > >   http://developer.postgresql.org/pgdocs/postgres/release-9-0.html >> > > >> > > I kept the 9.0-alph

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-21 Thread Bruce Momjian
bruce wrote: > Josh Berkus wrote: > > On 3/19/10 9:02 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > I have completed the 9.0 release notes: > > > > > > http://developer.postgresql.org/pgdocs/postgres/release-9-0.html > > > > > > I kept the 9.0-alpha release notes in the SGML because people might want > > > to

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-20 Thread Bruce Momjian
Hitoshi Harada wrote: > 2010/3/21 Bruce Momjian : > > Hitoshi Harada wrote: > >> 2010/3/20 Bruce Momjian : > >> > I have completed the 9.0 release notes: > >> > > >> > ? ? ? ?http://developer.postgresql.org/pgdocs/postgres/release-9-0.html > >> > > >> > >> I wonder if we need note a minor compatibi

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-20 Thread Hitoshi Harada
2010/3/21 Bruce Momjian : > Hitoshi Harada wrote: >> 2010/3/20 Bruce Momjian : >> > I have completed the 9.0 release notes: >> > >> > ? ? ? ?http://developer.postgresql.org/pgdocs/postgres/release-9-0.html >> > >> >> I wonder if we need note a minor compatibility from extending window >> function's

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-20 Thread Bruce Momjian
Tom Lane wrote: > Josh Berkus writes: > > I'd favor a beta sooner rather than later even if some stuff is still in > > flux. This particular release needs as much testing as possible, and > > 10x as many people will try a beta as an alpha. > > Well, the reason they are willing to try a beta is t

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-20 Thread Pavel Stehule
2010/3/20 Tom Lane : > Josh Berkus writes: >> I'd favor a beta sooner rather than later even if some stuff is still in >> flux.  This particular release needs as much testing as possible, and >> 10x as many people will try a beta as an alpha. > > Well, the reason they are willing to try a beta is

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-20 Thread Bruce Momjian
Josh Berkus wrote: > On 3/19/10 9:02 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > I have completed the 9.0 release notes: > > > > http://developer.postgresql.org/pgdocs/postgres/release-9-0.html > > > > I kept the 9.0-alpha release notes in the SGML because people might want > > to compare them with the rele

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-20 Thread Tom Lane
Josh Berkus writes: > I'd favor a beta sooner rather than later even if some stuff is still in > flux. This particular release needs as much testing as possible, and > 10x as many people will try a beta as an alpha. Well, the reason they are willing to try a beta is that it's supposed to be more

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-20 Thread Josh Berkus
Tom, Bruce, I'd favor a beta sooner rather than later even if some stuff is still in flux. This particular release needs as much testing as possible, and 10x as many people will try a beta as an alpha. -- -- Josh Berkus Post

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-20 Thread Josh Berkus
On 3/19/10 9:02 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > I have completed the 9.0 release notes: > > http://developer.postgresql.org/pgdocs/postgres/release-9-0.html > > I kept the 9.0-alpha release notes in the SGML because people might want > to compare them with the release notes I did, and because th

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-20 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Bruce Momjian wrote: Well, Tom and I have already posted publicly about it. There is nothing that either us see on the 9.0 "Bugs" open items list that would delay a beta: http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/PostgreSQL_9.0_Open_Items I have just been looking at the xmlconcat bug on th

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-20 Thread Tom Lane
Bruce Momjian writes: > Robert Haas wrote: >> I think we need you and Tom and other senior community members to >> weigh in a little more overtly on which of the remaining open items >> should get fixed prior to 9.0beta. > Well, Tom and I have already posted publicly about it. There is nothing >

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-20 Thread Bruce Momjian
Bruce Momjian wrote: > I have completed the 9.0 release notes: > > http://developer.postgresql.org/pgdocs/postgres/release-9-0.html > > Interestingly the 9.0 release notes contain 201 items, while the 8.4 > release notes contained 314 items. Of course we will be adding a few > more 9.0 ite

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-20 Thread Bruce Momjian
Robert Haas wrote: > > Interestingly the 9.0 release notes contain 201 items, while the 8.4 > > release notes contained 314 items. ?Of course we will be adding a few > > more 9.0 items before 9.0 final, but not a lot. ?The only explanation I > > can think of is that we were more focused during this

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-20 Thread Bruce Momjian
Hitoshi Harada wrote: > 2010/3/20 Bruce Momjian : > > I have completed the 9.0 release notes: > > > > ? ? ? ?http://developer.postgresql.org/pgdocs/postgres/release-9-0.html > > > > I wonder if we need note a minor compatibility from extending window > function's frame. > > - Change BETWEEN from

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-20 Thread Robert Haas
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > I have completed the 9.0 release notes: > >        http://developer.postgresql.org/pgdocs/postgres/release-9-0.html > > I kept the 9.0-alpha release notes in the SGML because people might want > to compare them with the release notes I did,

Re: [HACKERS] 9.0 release notes done

2010-03-20 Thread Hitoshi Harada
2010/3/20 Bruce Momjian : > I have completed the 9.0 release notes: > >        http://developer.postgresql.org/pgdocs/postgres/release-9-0.html > I wonder if we need note a minor compatibility from extending window function's frame. - Change BETWEEN from TYPE_FUNC_NAME_KEYWORD from COL_NAME_KEYWO