Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs FreeBSD

2014-04-11 Thread D'Arcy J.M. Cain
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 17:15:28 +0300 Achilleas Mantzios wrote: > pl/java has nothing to do with this. The argument against using > packages/ports for postgresql upgrades, is that upgrades in general > involve : > - reading HISTORY thoroughly and understanding every bit of it, > especially the migrat

Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs FreeBSD

2014-04-11 Thread Achilleas Mantzios
On 11/04/2014 15:05, Alban Hertroys wrote: Although it is getting a bit specific, would you care to elaborate why you would advice strongly against using ports or packages for Postgres on FreeBSD? Because that’s a rather strong statement you’re making and so far the only argument I’ve seen is tha

Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs FreeBSD

2014-04-11 Thread D'Arcy J.M. Cain
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 09:16:04 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > Curious: Why not consider OpenBSD also? Or NetBSD. -- D'Arcy J.M. Cain | Democracy is three wolves http://www.druid.net/darcy/| and a sheep voting on +1 416 788 2246 (DoD#0082)(eNTP) | what's for dinner

Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs FreeBSD

2014-04-11 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 14:05:43 +0200 Alban Hertroys wrote: > My advice to the OP: > > Install FreeBSD on a system to play around with, get a feel for how > it works and whether you like it or not. See how it performs with > Postgres on different file-systems; UFS2 or ZFS - UFS is the faster > of t

Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs FreeBSD

2014-04-11 Thread Alban Hertroys
On 11 Apr 2014, at 12:39, Achilleas Mantzios wrote: I moved this bit of the conversation up as it’s relevant to the OP: > On 11/04/2014 13:05, Alban Hertroys wrote: >> On 11 Apr 2014, at 8:04, Achilleas Mantzios >> wrote: >>> I don't mean to scare the OP, but FreeBSD is not for everyone. >>

Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs FreeBSD

2014-04-11 Thread Achilleas Mantzios
On 11/04/2014 13:05, Alban Hertroys wrote: On 11 Apr 2014, at 8:04, Achilleas Mantzios wrote: Basically it goes beyond what ppl would describe as OS holly wars. If one chooses to go by FreeBSD, then he better be prepared to handle the burden, both the part that is imposed by the OS administr

Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs FreeBSD

2014-04-11 Thread Alban Hertroys
On 11 Apr 2014, at 8:04, Achilleas Mantzios wrote: > Basically it goes beyond what ppl would describe as OS holly wars. > If one chooses to go by FreeBSD, then he better be prepared to handle the > burden, both the part that is > imposed by the OS administration itself, as well as the part that

Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs FreeBSD

2014-04-10 Thread Achilleas Mantzios
Basically it goes beyond what ppl would describe as OS holly wars. If one chooses to go by FreeBSD, then he better be prepared to handle the burden, both the part that is imposed by the OS administration itself, as well as the part that is a side effect of the different base system. Example of

Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs FreeBSD

2014-04-10 Thread Jan Wieck
On 04/10/14 17:25, Christofer C. Bell wrote: I'm not wanting to get after anyone here, but I want it on the record that I am not the source of the above quote discouraging the use of Ubuntu in a server role. That would be Bruce Momjian. While Bruce is entitled to his opinion, it's not one I agre

Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs FreeBSD

2014-04-10 Thread Christofer C. Bell
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:36 PM, François Beausoleil wrote: > > Le 2014-04-09 à 16:20, Bruce Momjian a écrit : > > On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 10:02:07AM -0500, Christofer C. Bell wrote: > > This highlights a more fundamental problem of the difference between a > workstation-based on OS like Ubuntu and

Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs FreeBSD

2014-04-10 Thread Stuart Bishop
On 4 April 2014 11:03, François Beausoleil wrote: > Hi all! > > Does PG perform that much better on FreeBSD? I have some performance issues > on a Ubuntu 12.04 which I'd like to resolve. iowait varies a lot, between 5 > and 50%. Does FreeBSD better schedule I/O, which could alleviate some of the

Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs FreeBSD

2014-04-09 Thread Alan Hodgson
On Wednesday, April 09, 2014 09:02:02 PM Brent Wood wrote: > Given the likely respective numbers of each OS actually out there, I'd > suggests BSD is very over-represented in the high uptime list which is > suggestive. Suggestive of ... sysadmins who don't do kernel updates? -- Sent via pgsql-

Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs FreeBSD

2014-04-09 Thread Brent Wood
c: Christofer C. Bell; pgsql-general@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs FreeBSD Le 2014-04-09 ? 16:20, Bruce Momjian a ?crit : On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 10:02:07AM -0500, Christofer C. Bell wrote: This highlights a more fundamental problem of the difference between a workstation-based on

Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs FreeBSD

2014-04-09 Thread Bosco Rama
On 04/09/14 14:46, Scott Marlowe wrote: > > I'm not deploying any new distro version that soon. :) I know folks > just putting 12.04 into prod to replace etch and lenny. :) You can easily get the 3.11.0 kernel on 12.04.4 LTS by installing the linux-generic-lts-saucy package. IIRC, the fix for th

Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs FreeBSD

2014-04-09 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Steve Atkins wrote: > > On Apr 9, 2014, at 1:33 PM, Scott Marlowe wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Christofer C. Bell >> wrote: >>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:03 PM, François Beausoleil >>> wrote: Hi all! Does PG perform that much better

Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs FreeBSD

2014-04-09 Thread Steve Atkins
On Apr 9, 2014, at 1:33 PM, Scott Marlowe wrote: > On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Christofer C. Bell > wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:03 PM, François Beausoleil >> wrote: >>> Hi all! >>> >>> Does PG perform that much better on FreeBSD? I have some performance issues >>> on a Ubuntu 12.

Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs FreeBSD

2014-04-09 Thread François Beausoleil
Le 2014-04-09 à 16:20, Bruce Momjian a écrit : > On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 10:02:07AM -0500, Christofer C. Bell wrote: > > This highlights a more fundamental problem of the difference between a > workstation-based on OS like Ubuntu and a server-based one like Debian > or FreeBSD. I know Ubuntu ha

Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs FreeBSD

2014-04-09 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Christofer C. Bell wrote: > On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:03 PM, François Beausoleil > wrote: >> Hi all! >> >> Does PG perform that much better on FreeBSD? I have some performance issues >> on a Ubuntu 12.04 which I'd like to resolve. iowait varies a lot, between 5 >

Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs FreeBSD

2014-04-09 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 10:02:07AM -0500, Christofer C. Bell wrote: > On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:03 PM, François Beausoleil > wrote: > > Hi all! > > > > Does PG perform that much better on FreeBSD? I have some performance issues > > on a Ubuntu 12.04 which I'd like to resolve. iowait varies a lot,

Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs FreeBSD

2014-04-09 Thread Christofer C. Bell
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:03 PM, François Beausoleil wrote: > Hi all! > > Does PG perform that much better on FreeBSD? I have some performance issues > on a Ubuntu 12.04 which I'd like to resolve. iowait varies a lot, between 5 > and 50%. Does FreeBSD better schedule I/O, which could alleviate s

Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs FreeBSD

2014-04-08 Thread Vick Khera
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:03 AM, François Beausoleil wrote: > Our workload is lots of data import, followed by many queries to summarize > (daily and weekly reports). Our main table is a wide table that represents > Twitter and Facebook interactions. Most of our reports work on a week's worth >

Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs FreeBSD

2014-04-04 Thread Achilleas Mantzios
As a side note, when we migrated the exact same pgsql 8.3 system from linux kernel 2.6 to 3.6, we experienced an almost dramatic slowdown by 6 times. Linux Kernel's were known to have issues around those dates, i recall. We had to set synchronous_commit to off, this gave a huge boost , but this w

Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs FreeBSD

2014-04-04 Thread François Beausoleil
Le 2014-04-04 à 08:11, Ray Stell a écrit : > > On Apr 4, 2014, at 12:03 AM, François Beausoleil wrote: > >> I have some performance issues on a Ubuntu 12.04 which I'd like to resolve. >> iowait varies a lot, between 5 and 50%. > > Is the SAN dedicated to this app? I wonder if the i/o, if n

Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs FreeBSD

2014-04-04 Thread Ray Stell
On Apr 4, 2014, at 12:03 AM, François Beausoleil wrote: > I have some performance issues on a Ubuntu 12.04 which I'd like to resolve. > iowait varies a lot, between 5 and 50%. Is the SAN dedicated to this app? I wonder if the i/o, if not related to your app, is being pressed by some other s

Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs FreeBSD

2014-04-04 Thread Achilleas Mantzios
FreeBSD is OK if you are experienced. As a system it requires much more maturity by the admin than lets say Ubuntu which is targeted at a larger user base. I'd say, explore your other Linux options first, since you already have experience with Linux. FreeBSD requires a much bigger learning curve

Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs FreeBSD

2014-04-03 Thread Amitabh Kant
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 9:33 AM, François Beausoleil wrote: > Hi all! > > Does PG perform that much better on FreeBSD? I have some performance > issues on a Ubuntu 12.04 which I'd like to resolve. iowait varies a lot, > between 5 and 50%. Does FreeBSD better schedule I/O, which could alleviate > so

Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs FreeBSD

2014-04-03 Thread John R Pierce
On 4/3/2014 9:03 PM, François Beausoleil wrote: The host is a dedicated hardware machine at online.fr: 128 GB RAM, 2 x 3TB disk in RAID 1 configuration. just a passing comment... 3TB disks are 7200rpm and suitable for nearline bulk storage (or desktop use), not high performance database rand

[GENERAL] Linux vs FreeBSD

2014-04-03 Thread François Beausoleil
Hi all! Does PG perform that much better on FreeBSD? I have some performance issues on a Ubuntu 12.04 which I'd like to resolve. iowait varies a lot, between 5 and 50%. Does FreeBSD better schedule I/O, which could alleviate some of the issues, or not at all? I have no experience administering

Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs. FreeBSD

2006-11-12 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Sun, 2006-11-12 at 12:01 +0100, Péter Kovács wrote: > Richard Huxton wrote: > > Bart McFarling wrote: > >> We are installing a new Postgresql server, it will not run anything else > >> but postgresql. We are currently looking at moving from a RHEL 4.0 > >> system to FreeBSD. > >> Does one OS off

Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs. FreeBSD

2006-11-12 Thread Péter Kovács
Richard Huxton wrote: Bart McFarling wrote: We are installing a new Postgresql server, it will not run anything else but postgresql. We are currently looking at moving from a RHEL 4.0 system to FreeBSD. Does one OS offer better performace over the other when running postgresql? I'd guess the c

Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs. FreeBSD

2006-11-10 Thread Enrico
> > I had best performance on FreeBSD with his file system. > > > > Look at this link. > > http://www.postgresql.org/files/documentation/books/aw_pgsql/hw_performance/node11.html > > Is this still accurate 3.75 years later? I don't know if is still accurate now, but in my work I've seen that po

Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs. FreeBSD

2006-11-10 Thread Richard Huxton
Bart McFarling wrote: We are installing a new Postgresql server, it will not run anything else but postgresql. We are currently looking at moving from a RHEL 4.0 system to FreeBSD. Does one OS offer better performace over the other when running postgresql? I'd guess the crucial thing will be

Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs. FreeBSD

2006-11-10 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/10/06 02:24, Enrico wrote: > On Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:12:57 -0600 > "Bart McFarling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> We are installing a new Postgresql server, it will not run anything else >> but postgresql. We are currently looking at moving from

Re: [GENERAL] Linux vs. FreeBSD

2006-11-10 Thread Enrico
On Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:12:57 -0600 "Bart McFarling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We are installing a new Postgresql server, it will not run anything else > but postgresql. We are currently looking at moving from a RHEL 4.0 > system to FreeBSD. > > Does one OS offer better performace over the othe

[GENERAL] Linux vs. FreeBSD

2006-11-09 Thread Bart McFarling
We are installing a new Postgresql server, it will not run anything else but postgresql. We are currently looking at moving from a RHEL 4.0 system to FreeBSD. Does one OS offer better performace over the other when running postgresql?   Thanks, Bart