Josh Berkus wrote:
> 1. The Core Team will appoint an exploration committee which will look
> at various proposals (including the one drafted on pgsql-general) for
> CoCs and discuss them.
To follow up on this ...
The Core Team are pleased to announce that Stacey Haysler has accepted
our invitat
The Code of Conducts basically amount to a "code of wrongthink". This can
be best described when some of their advocates, like for example in the
Node project make respositories called "mansplain" and "misandry", or when
speakers at OSCON are caught with mugs reading "male tears" and using the
"#ki
Community members:
A number of people have contacted the Core Team about taking action
regarding a Code of Conduct (CoC) for the project. After some
discussion, the plan we have come up with is below.
**Please do not reply-all to this email, as we do not wish to generate
additional list traffic r
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 08:47:16AM -0800, Joshua Drake wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I had a hard time writing this email. I think Code of Conducts are
> non-essential, a waste of respectful people's time and frankly if
> you are going to be a jerk, our community will call you out on it.
> Unfortunately a l
On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 9:00 AM, John R Pierce wrote:
> On 1/12/2016 11:32 PM, Chris Travers wrote:
>
>>
>> One of the nice things about the Ubuntu Code of Conduct is that it
>> focuses primarily on the positive. It is long, perhaps overly verbose, but
>> it does focus on what the community want
On 1/12/2016 11:32 PM, Chris Travers wrote:
One of the nice things about the Ubuntu Code of Conduct is that it
focuses primarily on the positive. It is long, perhaps overly
verbose, but it does focus on what the community wants rather than
what the community wants to avoid.
It is easy to s
On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 3:21 PM, James Keener wrote:
> This line has already been substantially changes. Can we keep discussion
> of the language of the WIP in the thread meant for it? This way people
> don't waste time discussing language which no longer exists.
>
I think the question though is
On 1/12/2016 5:42 AM, Regina Obe wrote:
a) Some people won't feel welcome if they don't see one
b) Malicious people will spread rumors about our project for not having one ,
but if we have one, it has to protect us from them working within the rules,
but pushing everyone's buttons.
c) and if
This line has already been substantially changes. Can we keep discussion of the
language of the WIP in the thread meant for it? This way people don't waste
time discussing language which no longer exists.
Jim
On January 12, 2016 9:17:55 AM EST, Neil Tiffin wrote:
>
>> On Jan 12, 2016, at 7:50
> On Jan 12, 2016, at 7:50 AM, Vick Khera wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 6:55 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
>> All because somebody just *had* to personally insult someone else,
>> repeatedly, and nobody thought that was a bad thing, and when the
>> recipient finally objected, the objection was cha
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 6:55 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> All because somebody just *had* to personally insult someone else,
> repeatedly, and nobody thought that was a bad thing, and when the
> recipient finally objected, the objection was chalked up to him or her
> valuing his/her victimhood.
+1
I
> On 12 January 2016 at 09:25, Chris Travers wrote:
>> One of the dangers of a CoC is that there are many potential issues
>> which may or may not become real problems. I think if we try to be
>> clear on all of them, then we risk creating codes instead of a general
>> expectation of what we
> To add to that, non-native speakers sometimes make mistakes that set
> it off. I remember an embarrassing case where I thought the word
> "gross" came from the German "Grosshaft", which means quite the
> opposite (great, fabulous), and responded to a new idea on a list with
> a heartily meant "Gr
On 05/01/2016 18:47, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
Hello,
I had a hard time writing this email. I think Code of Conducts are non-essential, a waste of respectful people's time and frankly if you are going to be a jerk, our community will call you out on
it. Unfortunately a lot of people don't agree wi
On 12 January 2016 at 09:25, Chris Travers wrote:
> One of the dangers of a CoC is that there are many potential issues which
> may or may not become real problems. I think if we try to be clear on all
> of them, then we risk creating codes instead of a general expectation of
> what we do expect
On Jan 12, 2016 9:48 AM, "Regina Obe" wrote:
>>
>> Chris,
>>
>> >> For a Coc – I think it should be light, but make it clear that we do
not tolerate strangers coming into our group and demanding us to accept
their code, cause we want to be welcoming and show we have at least 15% of
code contributi
Chris,
>> For a Coc – I think it should be light, but make it clear that we do not
>> tolerate strangers coming into our group and demanding us to accept their
>> code, cause we want to be welcoming and show we have at least 15% of code
>> contributions from women.
> One of the dangers of
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> A
women.
Thanks,
Regina
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To: Regina Obe
Cc: Buford Tannen ; Joshua D. Drake
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Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct:
A couple thoughts rather late to the discussion from a more international
perspective.
I remember a lecture I saw by a comparative law professor (the lecture was
about why many Danes are unhappy with the EU pressures on their tradition
of law and the general lack of subsidiarity in the EU) who des
Tom Lane wrote:
> In my admittedly-limited experience with dealing with such problems,
> it's a lot easier to achieve positive results if you can discuss
> issues in private, before people's positions harden.
>
> In short, I wouldn't characterize that complainant as "a troll" for
> the substance o
Steve,
Please see the new thread WIP: CoC V2
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On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 11:00:23 -0800
"Joshua D. Drake" wrote:
> A CoC is not about being offended. The act of being offended is
> purely a recipients response and usually because the recipient is
> more interested in being a victim than moving forward.
I've seen text like the preceding in over 10
Geoff Winkless wrote:
On 11 January 2016 at 20:13, Regina Obe wrote:
While this is funny to some, I don't think it adds value to this conversation.
I would consider it a derailment and not very helpful.
If I had a Coc to point at, I would point at the section I feel you are
violating.
If
Regina Obe wrote:
If we do write a CoC, can we give it a different acronym.
Notwithstanding the most regrettable childhood trauma, this request is
exactly the kind of ridiculousness that the Political Correctness
nonsense associated with CoCs that we should be worried about in the
aftermath
Regina Obe wrote:
If I had a Coc to point at, I would point at the section I feel you are
violating.
+1 funny!
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Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC)
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 02:00:22PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> 3. A safe, respectful, productive and collaborative environment is
> free comments related to
On 12/01/16 11:21, Karsten Hilbert wrote:
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 02:00:22PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
3. A safe, respectful, productive and collaborative environment is free
comments related to gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical
appearance, body size or race.
... for of _off
Kevin Grittner writes:
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Tom Lane wrote:
>> I thought we were already at that point; see Regina Obe's posts.
> Oh, are you referring to this:?
> http://www.postgresql.org/message-id/001201d14c96$fc26ed70$f474c850$@pcorp.us
> For some reason that shows up as a quo
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Tom Lane wrote:
> Kevin Grittner writes:
>> If someone wants to take the step of posting a concrete proposal,
>> please start a new thread with a different subject line.
>
> I thought we were already at that point; see Regina Obe's posts.
Oh, are you referring t
ALL:
Please move comments to the new thread: WIP: CoC
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control your own emotions, so everyo
Adrian Klaver wrote:
> On 01/11/2016 02:00 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> >3. A safe, respectful, productive and collaborative environment is free
> >comments related to gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical
> >appearance, body size or race.
>
> Well that renders this thread:
>
> http:/
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> To: FarjadFarid(ChkNet); 'Kevin Grittner'; 'Regina Obe'
> Cc: 'Tom Lane'; 'Karsten Hilbert'; pgsql-general@postgresql.org
> Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC)
>
> Hello
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 02:00:22PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> 3. A safe, respectful, productive and collaborative environment is free
> comments related to gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical
> appearance, body size or race.
... for of _off-topic_ comments related to ...
Since
Kevin Grittner writes:
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Regina Obe wrote:
>> How would you feel about the original thread that started this.
>> https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941
> I'm not interested in opal, and don't have time to read a thread
> with (when I looked) 374 messages, but if
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Cc: 'Tom Lane'; 'Karsten Hilbert'; pgsql-general@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC)
Hello,
Below please find a WIP CoC fo
Regina Obe wrote:
>
> If we do write a CoC, can we give it a different acronym.
> Notwithstanding the most regrettable childhood trauma, this request is
> exactly the kind of ridiculousness that the Political Correctness nonsense
> associated with CoCs that we should be worried about in the aft
On 01/11/2016 02:08 PM, Adrian Klaver wrote:
On 01/11/2016 02:00 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
Hello,
Below please find a WIP CoC for the PostgreSQL.Org project:
PostgreSQL Global Development Group (PGDG) Code of Conduct (CoC):
1. The CoC is to provide community guidelines for creating and enfor
Kevin Grittner writes:
> I'm going to give this a belated +1, and ignore any further posts on
> this thread.
> If someone wants to take the step of posting a concrete proposal,
> please start a new thread with a different subject line.
I thought we were already at that point; see Regina Obe's pos
On 01/11/2016 02:00 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
Hello,
Below please find a WIP CoC for the PostgreSQL.Org project:
PostgreSQL Global Development Group (PGDG) Code of Conduct (CoC):
1. The CoC is to provide community guidelines for creating and enforcing
a safe, respectful, productive, and colla
"Regina Obe" writes:
> How would you feel about the original thread that started this.
> https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941
> I would dismiss her as a troll and kindly say, don't tell us who we can have
> and who we can't.
Hm ... that thread makes me uncomfortable, because I can see both poi
Hello,
Below please find a WIP CoC for the PostgreSQL.Org project:
PostgreSQL Global Development Group (PGDG) Code of Conduct (CoC):
1. The CoC is to provide community guidelines for creating and enforcing
a safe, respectful, productive, and collaborative place for any person
who is willing t
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 3:42 PM, FarjadFarid(ChkNet)
wrote:
Five days (and I don't know how many posts) ago, there was this:
http://www.postgresql.org/message-id/20160106184818.gt21...@crankycanuck.ca
Which said in part:
> The other thing I note is that the IETF got
> most of these documents b
On 01/11/2016 01:36 PM, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Kevin Grittner wrote:
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Regina Obe wrote:
How would you feel about the original thread that started this.
https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941
I'm not interested in opal, and don't have time to read a thread
wi
I don't know about others.
But this whole thread has completely gone off the original track. With so many
splinter topics. It has no hope of ever completing with any kind of resolution
satisfying even 10% of contributors.
Can be please stick to the core original topics? Whether we agree with
Kevin Grittner wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Regina Obe wrote:
>
> > How would you feel about the original thread that started this.
> >
> > https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941
>
> I'm not interested in opal, and don't have time to read a thread
> with (when I looked) 374 message
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Regina Obe wrote:
> How would you feel about the original thread that started this.
>
> https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941
I'm not interested in opal, and don't have time to read a thread
with (when I looked) 374 messages, but if the gist of it is that
they
On 01/11/2016 01:20 PM, John R Pierce wrote:
On 1/11/2016 1:11 PM, Regina Obe wrote:
On further observation, I realize it can be used as a testcase to test
the strength of this Coc. So I stand corrected this is quite relevant
and useful to this discussion. In fact, I think we should package al
On 1/11/2016 1:11 PM, Regina Obe wrote:
On further observation, I realize it can be used as a testcase to test the
strength of this Coc. So I stand corrected this is quite relevant and useful
to this discussion. In fact, I think we should package all these and use them
in regression tests fo
On 11 January 2016 at 21:11, Regina Obe wrote:
> The Coc allows light-hearted humor, I'm so disappointed you didn't get my
> clever punning in my last email. I thought it was a treasure.
Hah! The irony is I had deliberately avoided making the obvious gag
because I've been called out previously
Geoff,
> If there were a CoC that would explicitly disallow occasional lighthearted
> humour to a non-development list that is intended to offend no-one then I
> would most definitely remove myself from such a project.
> Some may consider that a positive thing, but I would like to think that i
> Hmm. I'm not sure that telling us that should amount to an offense; such
a person might even have a good idea from time to time.
> Now, if the person is rude about it, that would be an offense, but that
should already be covered under other sections of the CoC no?
> Another possibly offensive
"Regina Obe" writes:
> Sorry screwed up sending this email the first time. Trying again:
>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 12:39:12PM -0500, Regina Obe wrote:
>>> If you have contributed nothing to our project and you make
>>> demands for change, we will try to tell you that kindly and
>>> request you t
On 11 January 2016 at 20:13, Regina Obe wrote:
> While this is funny to some, I don't think it adds value to this
> conversation. I would consider it a derailment and not very helpful.
>
> If I had a Coc to point at, I would point at the section I feel you are
> violating.
If there were a CoC
Geoff,
> Gosh, I've got a lot of love for CoCs; I've heard great things, really good
> things, some things, about CoCs, that some of them have been really helping
> in a yuge way with some fantastic projects.
> Sometimes some people, a lot of people, have said that I could write a CoC,
> and y
Sorry screwed up sending this email the first time. Trying again:
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 12:39:12PM -0500, Regina Obe wrote:
>> HANDLING ISSUES
>...
>> If you have contributed nothing to our project and you make
>> demands for change, we will try to tell you that kindly and
>> request you t
Gosh, I've got a lot of love for CoCs; I've heard great things, really
good things, some things, about CoCs, that some of them have been
really helping in a yuge way with some fantastic projects. Sometimes
some people, a lot of people, have said that I could write a CoC, and
you know, I think they'
> Regina,
> Although I can appreciate your sensitivity to the terminology based on your
> experience (and I am very sorry to read about that), I don't think it is
> reasonable to change from an Industry Standard acronym on that basis.
> Sincerely,
> JD
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On 01/11/2016 11:10 AM, Regina Obe wrote:
Josh,
If we do write a CoC, can we give it a different acronym. I'm going to say
something very sensitive here, so don't think I am joking.
When I was 5 I was raped by a next door neighbor. Everytime I here people talk
about Cocs and how silencing th
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 12:39:12PM -0500, Regina Obe wrote:
> HANDLING ISSUES
...
> If you have contributed nothing to our project and you make
> demands for change, we will try to tell you that kindly and
> request you to change or leave.
May I kindly ask for a bit more explanation on this one
ks,
Regina
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; 'Gavin Flower' ;
'PostgreSQL General'
Su
Hello,
A lot of good discussion has happened on this thread and as a whole I
think it has been determined that if done correctly, a CoC would not be
a bad idea. Of course we need to write one.
A CoC is about providing a safe, respectful, productive, and
collaborative place for any person who
On 01/11/2016 10:16 AM, Bret Stern wrote:
Maybe Trump should write this
Unfortunately Trump would likely not follow the CoC.
Thank you for the troll.
JD
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Brian,
>> We expect of everyone in our spaces to try their best to do the same
>> in a kind and gentle manner. If you feel it's just a minor offense and
>> the person didn't mean harm by it,
>>
>> simply ignore it unless the pattern of talk continues. If the person
>> continues or they say some
Maybe Trump should write this
> We expect of everyone in our spaces to try their best to do the same in a
> kind and gentle manner. If you feel it's just a minor offense and the person
> didn't mean harm by it,
>
> simply ignore it unless the pattern of talk continues. If the person
> continues or they say something you feel is
>ISTM that if we develop a code of conduct, it would need to be designed to
> insulate the community and individuals within it from becoming targets of
> legal action. "Mike said I was bad at postgres, it hurt my consulting and I
> want to sue Joe for replying-all and upping the hit-count o
Hi,
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:10:23PM +1300, Gavin Flower wrote:
> The phrase "Mere Male" was title of a column I read in NZ Women's Weekly
> that my mother bought when I was a teenager.
That's nice. I still found it offensive enough in the context to
think it worthy of note. (I'm not really
Buford Tannen wrote:
Regina Obe wrote:
Josh informed me you guys are thinking about a CoC. Let me start off by
saying that I don't think you need one and in fact having one may be
dangerous. ...
So please whatever you do, ... do not
choose this one or anything that looks like it:
http://contr
> On Jan 10, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>
> On 01/10/2016 10:44 AM, Regina Obe wrote:
>
>>> JD
>>
>> This may come as a big shock to many of you, but as a contributor
>> I don't care if you are racist, sexist, transphobic or whatever as long as
>> you
>
> I think this is reasona
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 12:57:11PM +0300, Yury Zhuravlev wrote:
> >OTOH, there's a whole bunch of words denoting levels and
> >sublevels of politeness for each and every situation.
> Politeness but not gender differences. Perhaps just for kids (-chan/-kun).
Well, traditionally not. But kare/kano-
On понедельник, 11 января 2016 г. 12:24:37 MSK, Karsten Hilbert wrote:
OTOH, there's a whole bunch of words denoting levels and
sublevels of politeness for each and every situation.
Politeness but not gender differences. Perhaps just for kids (-chan/-kun).
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On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 01:50:50AM -0800, Vitaly Burovoy wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 09:13:32AM +0300, Oleg Bartunov wrote:
> >
> >> Some people don't understand all these issues with she/he, for example,
> >> we
> >> in Russia are not really concern about this.
> >
> > Russian offers a "Mr
On 1/11/16, Karsten Hilbert wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 09:13:32AM +0300, Oleg Bartunov wrote:
>
>> Some people don't understand all these issues with she/he, for example,
>> we
>> in Russia are not really concern about this.
>
> Russian offers a "Mr.Bartunov" and a "Mrs.Bartunova". Am I mist
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 09:13:32AM +0300, Oleg Bartunov wrote:
> Some people don't understand all these issues with she/he, for example, we
> in Russia are not really concern about this.
Russian offers a "Mr.Bartunov" and a "Mrs.Bartunova". Am I mistaken ?
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On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 03:27:43PM +0900, Michael Paquier wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Oleg Bartunov wrote:
> > Some people don't understand all these issues with she/he, for example, we
> > in Russia are not really concern about this.
>
> This depends on how the language is built.
On 11/01/16 15:00, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
Someone (never mind who, this isn't intended to be a blame-game
message) wrote:
Am I, as a mere male […] :-)
It was me.
The phrase "Mere Male" was title of a column I read in NZ Women's Weekly
that my mother bought when I was a teenager.
>>> An an
On 11/01/16 19:13, Oleg Bartunov wrote:
[...]
Some people don't understand all these issues with she/he, for
example, we in Russia are not really concern about this.
[...]
I started using 'Gender Appropriate' language long before this PC
nonsense started up. Back in those days the word 'he
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Oleg Bartunov wrote:
> Some people don't understand all these issues with she/he, for example, we
> in Russia are not really concern about this.
This depends on how the language is built. For example in French I
think it would matter (not living there for long tho
On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 9:44 PM, Regina Obe wrote:
> > On 01/10/2016 08:07 AM, Bill Moran wrote:
>
> >> So, the purpose of a CoC is twofold:
> >>
> >> A) Define what "being excellent" means to this particular
> >> community.
> >> B) Provide a process for how to resolve things when "being
> >>
Someone (never mind who, this isn't intended to be a blame-game
message) wrote:
> Am I, as a mere male […] :-)
Even with the smiley, _this_ is the sort of thing that causes
discussions to wander into hopeless weeds from which projects cannot
emerge. I _know_ it is tempting to make this kind of
On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 5:09 PM, Adrian Klaver
wrote:
> On 01/10/2016 02:05 PM, Regina Obe wrote:
>
>> Gavin,
>>
>>> I once went out of my way to help someone with Mac. They were so Mac
>>>
>> centric they did not realize that they were not giving us the right
>> information to help them, but th
On 01/10/2016 02:05 PM, Regina Obe wrote:
Gavin,
I once went out of my way to help someone with Mac. They were so Mac
centric they did not realize that they were not giving us the right
information to help them, but this was not obvious until later in the
thread. I made some comment about Lin
Gavin,
> I once went out of my way to help someone with Mac. They were so Mac
centric they did not realize that they were not giving us the right
information to help them, but this was not obvious until later in the
thread. I made some comment about Linux - next moment they were accusing
> every
On 1/10/16 10:07 AM, Bill Moran wrote:
The fact that Postgres has not needed a CoC up till now is a
testiment to the quality of the people in the community. However,
if Postgres continues to be more popular, the number of people
involved is going to increase. Simply as a factor of statistics,
the
> On 01/10/2016 10:44 AM, Regina Obe wrote:
>>> JD
>>
>> This may come as a big shock to many of you, but as a contributor I
>> don't care if you are racist, sexist, transphobic or whatever as long
>> as you
> I think this is reasonable but my point is that we don't care if you are
sexist (in
>> She won Red Hat Woman of the Year Award -
>> https://www.redhat.com/en/about/women-in-open-source
>>
>> Sarah Sharp
>> 2015 Community Award winner
>>
>> Am I the only one concerned about some of the women role models we have
in
>> FOSS?
> Am I, as a mere male, entitled to have an opinion on this
On 10/01/16 21:31, Regina Obe wrote:
I was at the 2015 Australian Linux Conference (held in Auckland, NZ), when
Sarah Sharp harangued Linus Torvalds for over 20 minutes. Linus remained
calm and polite throughout, yet most people would have been obviously
annoyed within the first 5 minutes. As b
On 01/10/2016 10:44 AM, Regina Obe wrote:
JD
This may come as a big shock to many of you, but as a contributor
I don't care if you are racist, sexist, transphobic or whatever as long as
you
I think this is reasonable but my point is that we don't care if you are
sexist (in terms of .Org). W
On 11/01/16 07:44, Regina Obe wrote:
[...]
This may come as a big shock to many of you, but as a contributor
I don't care if you are racist, sexist, transphobic or whatever as long as
you
1) Are helpful when I ask a question
2) Stick to the topic
3) Don't get into petty etiquettes like "Please s
On 10/01/16 18:44, Regina Obe wrote:
>
> This may come as a big shock to many of you, but as a contributor
> I don't care if you are racist, sexist, transphobic or whatever as long as
> you
>
> 1) Are helpful when I ask a question
> 2) Stick to the topic
> 3) Don't get into petty etiquettes like "P
On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 01:44:37PM -0500, Regina Obe wrote:
> 1) Are helpful when I ask a question
> 2) Stick to the topic
> 3) Don't get into petty etiquettes like "Please stop top posting"
> and if you really need to - A polite we prefer top posting would do
>
> 4) Are sensitive to people on oth
> On 01/10/2016 08:07 AM, Bill Moran wrote:
>> So, the purpose of a CoC is twofold:
>>
>> A) Define what "being excellent" means to this particular
>> community.
>> B) Provide a process for how to resolve things when "being
>> excellent" doesn't happen.
>>
>> Without #1, nobody will want t
On 01/10/2016 08:07 AM, Bill Moran wrote:
So, the purpose of a CoC is twofold:
A) Define what "being excellent" means to this particular
community.
B) Provide a process for how to resolve things when "being
excellent" doesn't happen.
Without #1, nobody will want to do #2, as it's basic
On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 07:36:23 -0800
"Joshua D. Drake" wrote:
> Hey,
>
> For the record, my thoughts on a CoC are something like:
>
> 1. Be excellent to each other
> 2. If you don't know what that means, leave
> 3. If someone isn't being excellent please contact: XYZ
>
> With XYZ being a committ
Hey,
For the record, my thoughts on a CoC are something like:
1. Be excellent to each other
2. If you don't know what that means, leave
3. If someone isn't being excellent please contact: XYZ
With XYZ being a committee that determines the ABCs.
Or in other words something like this (without th
On 10/01/16 22:55, John R Pierce wrote:
On 1/9/2016 11:57 PM, Gavin Flower wrote:
I was at the 2015 Australian Linux Conference (held in Auckland, NZ),
when Sarah Sharp harangued Linus Torvalds for over 20 minutes. Linus
remained calm and polite throughout, yet most people would have been
obvi
On 1/9/2016 11:57 PM, Gavin Flower wrote:
I was at the 2015 Australian Linux Conference (held in Auckland, NZ),
when Sarah Sharp harangued Linus Torvalds for over 20 minutes. Linus
remained calm and polite throughout, yet most people would have been
obviously annoyed within the first 5 minutes.
On 1/9/2016 11:37 PM, Regina Obe wrote:
Josh informed me you guys are thinking about a CoC. Let me start off by
saying that I don't think you need one and in fact having one may be
dangerous. I fear for your safety.
indeed. I think this man said it best.
https://youtu.be/PjVbypiUOHA?t=35s
> I was at the 2015 Australian Linux Conference (held in Auckland, NZ), when
Sarah Sharp harangued Linus Torvalds for over 20 minutes. Linus remained
calm and polite throughout, yet most people would have been obviously
annoyed within the first 5 minutes. As backround see:
>
http://www.networkwor
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