Hi Christopher-- I think we are talking apples and oranges here. Also sorry
for the delay in responding. My son was born on Dec 16th, the day the
message was sent to which I am responding.
Christopher Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wrote:
> 1. The businesses that are sufficiently "forward thinking
Quoting Peter Eisentraut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Amy Young wrote:
> > In the mean time, I will investigate the "21 day" book (I have used
> > the series many times!) and hope the PostgreSQL community will
> > recognize the need for some training classes
>
> I don't see that there is a lack of avai
Bret,
Thanks for voicing your opinion. I'll second it as loudly as I can.
I work for a small 5 member team in a major hospitality corporation.
Our team has a mish mash of responsibilities (help desk, tool design
through MS Excel and MS Access, and corporate reporting). We are just
pushing the l
Hi,
Why worry? I'm sure that most of the guys in this list didn't have
dedicated PostgreSQL training (I didn't for sure).
You have lots of tutorials and (not to forget) a great documentation set
on the Postgres website.
There are also the mailing lists with people who like to help you. And
reme
Hi Brett;
On Sat, 2003-12-13 at 01:06, Bret Busby wrote:
>
> I assume from the above, that the 1 one (Basic competency), would be
> the equivalent of the MySQL 4 Core Certification?
>
> Would it not also be appropriate, to include in that one, installation
> and (basic) configuration; that is,
If you considering a skills outline, also consider dividing it two areas;
developer and dba.
My experience is mostly with Oracle (more years than I care to remember),
and with this product in many organizations, there are usually two camps;
the dba (God) and the developers (devils - always trying
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> Subject: Re: [GENERAL] [NOVICE] PostgreSQL Training
>
> Chris Travers wrote:
> > I think though that there is an opportunity, though, for us to perhaps
> > work together in developing a Postgresql training base curriculum. We
> >
Chris Travers wrote:
> I am wondering if you are interested in helping with some sort of skills
> outline project-- what skills we as a community think are important for
> someone to claim basic mastery over the database manager. Not as if you
> don't have enough to do already ;-) Maybe at least
Keith C. Perry wrote:
> > Also, though lots of people want training, seems that want _free_
> > training. They aren't flooding my Atlanta classes, that's for sure. I
> > give classes at many conferences around the world too, and I get usually
> > 20-40 people --- not exactly a flood either. Mayb
Quoting "Marc G. Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
>
> > Keith C. Perry wrote:
> > > That situtation is a little different though since Linux comes is
> > > various distributions. Eventually people with get that Linux = Red
> > > Hat is NOT true. Heck,
Quoting Peter Eisentraut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Keith C. Perry wrote:
> > That situtation is a little different though since Linux comes is
> > various distributions. Eventually people with get that Linux = Red
> > Hat is NOT true. Heck, IBM is probably the best at promoting Linux
> > these days
Chris,
Your persistence and your ideas suggest that you have
something to contribute in this area. Why not sign up
on the pgsql-advocacy list, and carry your ideas
forward there? That would be an appropriate forum for
this kind of discussion.
The arguments on both sides (if there are only two
s
Quoting Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> John Gibson wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> "Linux" training is not standardized by any measure either. Lots of
> > >> companies and "institutions" offer their own training courses. Some
> > >> of these grow to be fairly well recognized and are offered in
Quoting Rick Gigger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Ok, I see what you're trying to do. In looking at this it occurs to me
> that one
> > of the way to aid in this effort is through more tech documents. For
> instance,
> > I have asked before what is the recommended procedure or stategy for
> recoveri
On Fri, 2003-12-12 at 21:40, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Imagine if Linus or the Linux kernel guys tried to standardize Linux
> training --- it would be a mess.
>
Exactly, but that is what community is for :-)
> Also, though lots of people want training, seems that want _free_
> training. They aren'
On Fri, 2003-12-12 at 02:04, Keith C. Perry wrote:
> >
> > Agreed. However-- there is a push in the IT world (much resisted here)
> > to try to make sysadmin/DBA positions more of a technician-oriented
> > rather than academic oriented. The idea here is that it reduces IT
> > costs (perhaps, th
Chris Travers wrote:
> I think though that there is an opportunity, though, for us to perhaps
> work together in developing a Postgresql training base curriculum. We
> can pool some resources and perhaps develop at least a list of the
> things which ought to be covered. Perhaps this can lead to bo
John Gibson wrote:
> >
> >
> >> "Linux" training is not standardized by any measure either. Lots of
> >> companies and "institutions" offer their own training courses. Some
> >> of these grow to be fairly well recognized and are offered in similar
> >> form repeatedly in different locations, b
> Ok, I see what you're trying to do. In looking at this it occurs to me
that one
> of the way to aid in this effort is through more tech documents. For
instance,
> I have asked before what is the recommended procedure or stategy for
recovering
> a database that has "crashed". Something like th
Before I begin, I think that most of us agree on the following points:
1: The PostgreSQL project is not in a position at the moment to bless
any attempt to create an official curriculum or certification.
2: The idea of patterning PostgreSQL certifications on Microsoft exams
is patently offensiv
On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 04:39, Keith C. Perry wrote:
> I think what the real religious argument here is that many, many people feel
> "skills assessment" should NOT be linked to a product. It should in fact be
> linked to the underlying material a product is designed to manipulate.
>
> If someone
I think though that there is an opportunity, though, for us to perhaps
work together in developing a Postgresql training base curriculum. We
can pool some resources and perhaps develop at least a list of the
things which ought to be covered. Perhaps this can lead to books on the
subject, etc. I a
"Linux" training is not standardized by any measure either. Lots of
companies and "institutions" offer their own training courses. Some
of these grow to be fairly well recognized and are offered in similar
form repeatedly in different locations, but that is not
"standardized" in the sense y
"Linux" training is not standardized by any measure either. Lots of
companies and "institutions" offer their own training courses. Some of
these grow to be fairly well recognized and are offered in similar form
repeatedly in different locations, but that is not "standardized" in
the sense yo
Bret Busby wrote:
> Regarding the PostgreSQL training that is provided by companies, a
> problem with that, as it exists, is that, insofar as I am aware, that
> training is not standardised,
"Linux" training is not standardized by any measure either. Lots of
companies and "institutions" offer th
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Although you certainly have a point that a lot of companies rely on
"certification" in the one or other way, you'd have to admit that probably
80% of "certified" people have no clue what they are talking about.
I met so many certified people where y
On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Bryan Encina wrote:
> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:06:05 -0800
> From: Bryan Encina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 'Bruce Momjian' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [NOVICE] PostgreSQL Training
>
> > I think that is about the author of the web site, and is
> >
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