Fellow QAers,
This script:
use strict;
BEGIN { binmode STDERR, ':utf8' }
use Test::More tests => 1;
diag "\x{201c}";
ok 1;
Outputs a warning when it runs:
Wide character in print at /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.7/Test/
Builder.pm line 1199.
This is annoying. I had thought that I cou
On Jan 8, 2006, at 9:23 PM, Matisse Enzer wrote:
I'm working on getting a large amount of "legacy code" under test
harnesses, and I'm wondering why Test::Unit isn't more widely used.
Andy Lester suggested I pose the question on this list.
Do people think Test::Unit sucks? Simply not very we
On Jan 9, 2006, at 2:18 AM, Adrian Howard wrote:
Y'want Test::Builder's failure_output(), e.g.:
use Test::More tests => 1;
binmode Test::More->builder->failure_output, ':utf8';
diag "\x{201c}";
ok 1;
Ah, right, error_output, too.
Thanks!
David
On Feb 8, 2006, at 11:41, Geoffrey Young wrote:
so, I guess my question is whether the plan->is linkage can be
broken in
Test::Builder/Test::Harness/wherever and still keep the bookkeeping in
tact so that the library behaves the same way for the bulk case. or
maybe at least provide some optio
On Feb 8, 2006, at 12:41, Geoffrey Young wrote:
with your suggestion I'm almost there:
1..1
ok 1 - this was a passing test
# No tests run!
What parts do you want left out?
Best,
David
On Mar 4, 2006, at 05:58, Gabor Szabo wrote:
When installing a module ( in this case Sub-Uplevel-0.09 on 5.8.8)
using CPANPLUS I saw many warnings passing by but as all the tests
were successful the report to the CPAN Testers was sent as PASS.
it would be useful to capture warnings printed on t
On Mar 5, 2006, at 13:52, Chris Dolan wrote:
Advice? While this example is contrived, the "eval
{ require ... }" idiom is used often in the wild, so this is not a
wholly unrealistic scenario.
Of course it should be
eval { require Bar; 1; } or die $@;
But I agree that it seems like if t
On Apr 16, 2006, at 20:08, Andy Lester wrote:
I'm adding a section to Test::Harness::TAP on non-Perl TAP.
http://svn.perl.org/modules/Test-Harness/trunk/lib/Test/Harness/
TAP.pod
If you know of one, please send me some text to add.
Test.Simple—JavaScript. It looks and acts just like tap, a
On Apr 17, 2006, at 06:03, Andy Lester wrote:
Can you please give me a short couple of sentences on it for
someone who has no idea how/why you'd use TAP outside of Perl?
It's a direct port of Test::Builder, ::Simple, and ::More, along with
a harness for showing test results in a browser. Wh
On Apr 19, 2006, at 12:14, Fergal Daly wrote:
One other reason (that I didn't see mentioned) is that objects imply
that the harness and tests are in the same process which means that
the tests can corrupt the harness and that the harness can fail to
report if the test process dies,
Well, the h
On Jun 28, 2006, at 21:13, Andy Lester wrote:
Any bugs that we especially need to work on?
This might be Test::Builder, but I've seen many times on my Mac where
STDERR and STDOUT output is out of sync. For example, info about why
a test failed can be miles from the line where the "no ok" a
On Jun 29, 2006, at 07:26, Michael Peters wrote:
This is a general problem with the way some of the testing modules
work.
Only because they all use Test::Builder's output methods.
This doesn't resolve the problem of non-test modules emitting
things to STDERR
that could be useful when track
On Jul 10, 2006, at 11:34, chromatic wrote:
"got" still sucks. Is there any chance to change it to "received"?
It's not a gift package delivered by FedEx. What sucks about "got"?
Best,
David
On Jul 10, 2006, at 11:59, chromatic wrote:
It's the grammatical equivalent of tucking your shirt tail into
your underwear
before trying to get a date at your family reunion.
That's the best place to *get* a date!
D
On Jul 11, 2006, at 09:21, Ovid wrote:
Java programmers typically use jUnit. C programmers have libtap
available. PHP tests often use TAP (don't know the name) and
Javascript has Test.Simple, though it parses the test results
directly and then outputs TAP (if I recall correctly).
It bot
On Jul 12, 2006, at 03:41, Gabor Szabo wrote:
perl -MModule -e'print $Module::VERSION'
I have this alias set up:
function pv () { perl -M$1 -le "print $1->VERSION"; }
I think that calling ->VERSION is more correct.
Best,
David
On Jul 13, 2006, at 05:56, Fergal Daly wrote:
That's funny, it looks like I did put some code in to disable the END
block if it's "require"d rather than "use"d. Turns out I did this to
make MakeMaker happy, so MakeMaker does actually do a full require,
Well, IIRC, both MakeMaker and Module::Bu
On Jul 15, 2006, at 10:52, Ovid wrote:
That's incorrect, even though saying "skip X tests" reads
naturally to me. Since "skip this many for tis reason" is how I
mentally think of SKIP: blocks, I keep writing them like that, even
though it's wrong. As mentioned, it fails silently.
Perha
On Jul 15, 2006, at 11:35, Ovid wrote:
That was my initial thought, but there's nothing explicitly wrong
with having a numeric skip message.
No, I said make sure that the *second* argument is numeric. It must
always indicate the number of tests to be skipped.
Best,
David
l
6, I will be motivated to port them.
Plenty of folks are still dedicated to Perl 5, and it will likely to
continue moving forward for some time -- it may never die. And I think
that's true regardless of whether Perl 6 supports Perl 5 or not. So it's
okay by me to dump it. Lots of
forms they pass on and what platforms they don't at the top of the
download page would be good enough. But the tests have got to be there.
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still want to upload this module?
That'll stop the vast majority of offenders, and those who upload anyway
will be more likely to have documented changes.
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27;Reilly wants to fund me I'd be happy to do it. :-)
On what platform(s)? Who's going to pay for the test bed for every possible
combination of perl version, OS, various libraries, etc., etc.? I think that
*requiring* that all tests pass is unrealistic.
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David
On 6/4/02 4:08 PM, "Brent Dax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> claimed:
> Why bother? You've already put P::RD and T::B effectively in the core!
> ;^)
And Switch. And Next? And Q::S? Larry, have you decided on that one yet?
:-)
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for that matter)
have some magical array that holds all the matches from the last match?
e.g., ($1, $2, $3, ...)?
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array. Perl 5 is
another matter.
> I guess the golfing community would appreciate a mini-exegsis for what
> Perl 6 can do for them :) [hint, hint]
I rather expect that whatever Perl 6 does for golfers is a side-effect of
what Perl 6 is doing for programmers who
On 6/7/02 11:21 AM, "David Wheeler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> claimed:
> Not to mention kinda useless. I was hoping for a magic array that would hold
> the actual *matches*, rather than pointers to their character positions.
And it appears to be C<@$0>. Duh. Sorry
quently do stuff like this:
my %hash;
for qw(one two three) {
%hash{$_} = 1; # $_ should *not* == %hash here!
}
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t the even simpler syntax suggested earlier
in this thread) is this:
my $date = Date.new('June 25, 2002');
Would automatically type C<$date> as a Date object.
Thoughts?
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b = { ... };
And if so, does it matter?
> Whatever. My coffee stream hasn't yet suppressed my stream of
> consciousness.
I think we're all the better for it! :-)
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haps there could be a way to mark a variable as statically typed at
compile time, and have the compiler apply the static typing so that I
don't have to do all that extra typing.
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gh;
Oh, that's nice. As long as one is careful about not creating
conflicting class names...
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On Monday, September 2, 2002, at 03:44 AM, Damian Conway wrote:
>> my Date $date .= new('Jun 25, 20002');
>
> H. That's a very interesting idea.
> I like it.
Hallelujah! I like it, too! It's only one character more than my
original suggestion!
On Monday, September 2, 2002, at 10:00 AM, Damian Conway wrote:
> No, I never said (nor intended to imply) that. Note that I carefully
> avoided the
> word "alias" in my description of this technique. ;-)
That was my doing. Sorry folks.
David
On Tuesday, September 3, 2002, at 05:08 PM, Dan Sugalski wrote:
> We call that concept "multimethod dispatch". That's what you're asking
> for.
Dan, can you explain what "multimethod dispatch" is?
Thanks!
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their
> parameter signature.
Ah, yes, the same thing exists in Java. I remember, now.
Thanks Dan,
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ading?
And will Perl 6 do it at compile-time or at run-time?
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would have an easier time explaining #4 to someone
Yes, except that &bit is a subroutine reference, IIRC, not an operator.
That's why it makes more sense to put the punctuation character at the
end of the operator name.
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On Wednesday, October 16, 2002, at 04:55 PM, Smylers wrote:
How about keeping caret for xor?
$a ~^ $b # bitwise xor
$a ^^ $b # logical xor
Hm, the "seagull operator"?
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inate whitespace to be the concatenation operator!
my $foo = $bar $bat;
;-)
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:-D
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s suddenly quieted down after this message.
So I would look favorably on finding a replacement for "superposition".
Well, I like "set operators," too, but what's the grammatical term for
the above "logically entangled list of nouns"?
Regards,
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be a PITA...even though I *love* the idea of using these
characters, might it be better to abandon them for now?
Regards,
David
PS: What do they look like in this reply?
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arry I see
?'s
And I didn't see them in Austin's message, but I see them in yours.
Your mailer did the right thing, it looks like.
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htt
s are:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Which is correct.
But let me ask you -- how did you input those characters?
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On Wednesday, October 30, 2002, at 07:18 AM, Jonathan Scott Duff wrote:
The only thing this inspires in my brain is Schoolhouse Rock
flashbacks.
o/~ Conjuction Junction, what's your function? o/~
Heh. That's what I heard, too.
David
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think that you and I might be better off using a smarter mailer.
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On Wednesday, October 30, 2002, at 01:52 PM, Michael Lazzaro wrote:
Applications/Utilities/"Key Caps" (Again, OSX) which shows you where
they all are.
The «» quotes, for example, are option-\ and shift-option-\
Oh, well, I guess those aren't *too* far out of the way...
better analogy than that,
quantumly speaking?
Plus, it turns out not to be at all hard to type on Mac OS X. ;-)
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) can be undef.
HTH,
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what's the boolean type in Perl?" I'd rather answer
"bit" than "Perl doesn't have one", if for no other reason than the
latter answer will completely freak them out. :-)
How do you answer that question when it's asked of Perl 5?
David
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citly introduced true and
false into the language, and have therefore destroyed the utility of
context:
my boolean $bool = 0; # False.
my $foo = ''; # False context.
if ($foo eq $bool) {
# Oops!
}
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which case it might be:
`<>` - synonym for «op»
`>>op<<` - synonym for »op«
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don't see much of an argument there. That a discussion leads
to discussions on other mail lists is not a reason not to use Unicode
operators. Or so it seems to me.
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For all you Mac OS X fans out there:
http://www.earthlingsoft.net/UnicodeChecker/
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ts, nor the P6C compiler tests, nor the P6C regex tests, because
substitution isn't implemented yet.
With all do respect, this is what TODO tests are for.
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a pointer to some existing Perl
6 tests that they can model off of. Do any exist yet?
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local $TODO = "Not yet implemented";
ok( foo(), $test_name );
is( foo(42), 23, $test_name );
};
perldoc Test::More for more information.
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at it is, in fact a TODO block.
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ally hope that,
stylistically, we'll more often see code like this:
if $damian | $larry | $dan == $hurt {...} # i.e. any of them hurt
if $damian & $larry & $dan == $hurt {...} # all hurt
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f power, I guess.
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while {...} # I'm afraid to ask!
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o $_ and the
implicit
definedness check is yet to be decided.
That's a scalar context? I assumed it was list context from your
previous post:
In a list context:
<$fh> # Calls $fh.each
At any rate, I hope that it's bound to $_ -- nice conversion from Perl
5's behavio
On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 08:17 PM, Damian Conway wrote:
Sure. C always evaluates its condition in a scalar context.
Oh, duh. Thanks.
David
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On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 08:19 PM, Damian Conway wrote:
(B
(B>> What was the final syntax for vector ops?
(B>> @a $B"c(B+$B"d(B @b
(B>> @a $B"d(B+$B"c(B @b
(B>
(B> The latter (this week, at least ;-).
(B
(BThis reminds me: I though of another set of bracing characte
I’m pleased to announce the first beta release of Test.Simple, the
port of Test::Builder, Test::Simple, Test::More and (drum roll
please!) Test::Harness to JavaScript. Get details here:
http://www.justatheory.com/computers/programming/javascript/
test_simple-0.10.html
See Test.Harness.Br
On Jun 24, 2005, at 01:21 , Tels wrote:
I am a bit confused, does this mean you can run Perl tests from your
browser? Or run javascript tests in javascript, and get the same test
output like in Perl?
The latter.
A short sentence "what does it do and how does it work" would been
very
useful
On Jun 24, 2005, at 11:43 , Adrian Howard wrote:
It probably says something quite sad about my personality that this
is the most persuading argument I personally have now for switching
to Firefox from Safari :-)
Oh, those work in Safari. It's just that Safari doesn't support
file:// in
Fellow Testers,
I give you Test.Simple 0.20. This latest version of my port of
Test::Simple and Test::Harness to JavaScript now supports pure .js
test scripts in the browser harness. Details and change log here:
http://www.justatheory.com/computers/programming/javascript/
test_simple-0.2
? etc.).
David
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On Sunday, December 8, 2002, at 10:20 AM, Smylers wrote:
I dislike C cos it's a small typo away from C.
Yes, but I would expect to be a compile-time error, since the
signatures are different. The same can't be said for r?index.
David
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On Tuesday, December 24, 2002, at 02:55 AM, Piers Cawley wrote:
Apparently part of the problem is that the undef function isn't
fully defined.
Well, isn't that sort-of the point?
:-)
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On Thursday, January 9, 2003, at 03:05 AM, Damian Conway wrote:
I don't know about *your* font, but in mine the ~> and <~ versions are
at least twice as readable as the |> and <| ones.
Just out of curiosity, how did you measure that? ;-)
David
] »-« [»ord«split//,$y]
}
and then:
#! /usr/bin/perl6
use Symbol::Readability;
print delta_r('~>','|>');
How else?
Hrm. What was the output?
=)
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quivalence *without* having to inherit from an
abstract base class and I wish that interface equivalence were checked
before inheritance, as per Luke's idea.
Sounds like you want Java-style "interfaces" to me.
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On Thursday, July 24, 2003, at 09:25 AM, Kurt Starsinic wrote:
Sounds like you want Java-style "interfaces" to me.
Follow the thread back. Objective-C had them way first, and their
ur-name is "protocols."
D'oh! Sorry, I had read that, but then forgot.
this one when I need to see
what tests have passed (I've avoided looking in the past because of the
poor performance).
Nice one, Leon.
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On Nov 26, 2004, at 12:13 AM, Michael G Schwern wrote:
This means Test::More has no more critical or important bugs open.
I figured it was a good place to pause and kick out an alpha.
Works for me, although I did get some warnings:
Running [/usr/bin/make UNINST=1 uninst=1 test]...
PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1
On Dec 4, 2004, at 10:57 AM, Larry Wall wrote:
Well, I just put "is shape" because that's what the PDLers settled on,
but as far as I'm concerned linguistically, it could just be "is dim".
That would settle the "make-it-like-English" question by making it
not at all like English.
On the aesthetic h
On Dec 6, 2004, at 7:38 AM, Austin Hastings wrote:
for =<> {...}
I dub the...the fish operator!
:-)
David
On Dec 6, 2004, at 6:27 PM, Matt Fowles wrote:
getters and setters
John Siracusa wanted to know if Perl 6 would allow one to expose a
member variable to the outside world, but then later intercept
assignments to it without actually having to switch to using
getters and
setters i
On Dec 9, 2004, at 7:22 AM, Andy Lester wrote:
Test::LongString is one of those modules that you should be using if
you're doing testing against large data elements, especially web pages.
There are now examples in the docs that I hope make you say "Wow, this
is cool, thanks RGS!"
I use Text::Differ
On Dec 9, 2004, at 1:48 PM, Rafael Garcia-Suarez wrote:
It's probably better adapted to text pages.
I wrote Test::LongString to debug and test a
serialization/deserialization protocol that was
producing long binary strings. For this purpose,
it was most helpful :)
Ah, yeah. Test::Differences is lin
On Dec 20, 2004, at 6:06 PM, Michael G Schwern wrote:
use Test::Builder;
BEGIN {my $fh = Test::Builder->new->failure_output; binmode $fh,
':utf8';}
Test::Builder should do something like this internally, its not like
anyone's
going to drive binary data through a TB filehandle. The question
On Dec 20, 2004, at 6:13 PM, David Wheeler wrote:
If there was a way to tell what mode was on STDERR before you duped
it, you could just set it to the same. Something like:
my $mode = what_binmode(STDERR);
my $fh = $builder->failure_output;
binmode $fh, $mode;
Is there a module or funct
On Dec 20, 2004, at 6:19 PM, Michael G Schwern wrote:
Is there a module or function in Perl that can provide this
information?
Why does it matter what it was set to before? I'm always going to be
shoving text out through this filehandle.
It matters because if I'm using Big5 in my module, I *don't
On Dec 20, 2004, at 6:41 PM, Michael G Schwern wrote:
PS Somebody should drag autrijus into this.
I'll try to grab him on IRC in the morning...
Regards,
David
On Dec 20, 2004, at 6:44 PM, David Wheeler wrote:
PS Somebody should drag autrijus into this.
I'll try to grab him on IRC in the morning...
I got him this morning. Here's the discussion:
09:50am] Theory: seen autrijus
[09:50am] purl: autrijus was last seen on #p5p 1 hour and 32 mi
On Feb 13, 2005, at 3:54 PM, David Storrs wrote:
Ok, so it requires actually overriding the rand function and providing
your own implementation. I was hoping for something a bit more
automagical (probably involving a property or role, since they seem to
be the answer to everything these days), but
On Feb 14, 2005, at 9:01 PM, chromatic wrote:
Here's my list of suggestions for each:
1) label, description
2) directive, instruction
3) diagnostic
I want to avoid the word "comment" altogether, making the optionalness
of #1 and #3 evident in their words, the activeness of #2 evident in
its
word,
On Feb 15, 2005, at 11:06 AM, Larry Wall wrote:
So maybe the actual pragma name is
use qubits;
Note: the pragma is not "use junctions", since they're already allowed
to use junctions, as long as they don't try to observe them. :-)
To quote Noah, what's a qubit?
http://www.jr.co.il/humor/noah
On Feb 15, 2005, at 11:16 PM, Larry Wall wrote:
I admit that calling the .brainf*ck method is problematic several
ways...
And what of .c#?
Regards,
David
On Feb 18, 2005, at 2:04 AM, Brent 'Dax' Royal-Gordon wrote:
Junctions are equivalent to the English sentence "Get eggs, bacon, and
toast from the store". (In Perl, that'd be something like C<<
$store->get("eggs" & "bacon" & "toast") >>.) It's just a bit of
orthogonality that allows you to give "
On Feb 23, 2005, at 6:42 PM, chromatic wrote:
The way Test::Builder works, diagnostics always go to STDERR. Is there
a reason for this beyond "It's tricky to correlate diagnostics to the
appropriate test numbers"? (I agree with that, but I'm willing to take
my chances on certain occasions.)
Perso
On Feb 24, 2005, at 2:19 PM, Michael G Schwern wrote:
Is this associated with the recent versions of TH that attempt to
capture
STDERR?
No, all my patch did was turn off buffering in the same way that
Test::Builder does.
Regards,
David
Hi All,
Is anyone aware of an implementation of Test::Builder/Simple/More and
Test::Harness in JavaScript? The testing scene in JS appears pretty
sad, but I don't want to do much in JavaScript without a nice testing
framework. And Test::More would be my preferred way to go. (Yes, I know
that th
On Mar 21, 2005, at 1:32 PM, Christopher H. Laco wrote:
When you say test JavaScript, what kinds of files are we testing?
Server side web scripting using JavaScript?
Shell scripts files?
And JS that runs in a browser, yes.
Regards,
David
On Mar 28, 2005, at 4:21 PM, Randy W. Sims wrote:
I think someone had proposed a year or two ago that there should be a
test_requires options and I argued against it. Now, I think maybe it
was a good idea; especially, since the number of extra testing modules
being used have increased a lot over
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