Re: Rationale for a VM + compiler approach instead of an interpreter?

2014-12-07 Thread Tim Bunce
On Sun, Dec 07, 2014 at 07:58:06AM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > I am training for computer science, and as a "rite of passage", my > mentor + guide has asked me to write either an interpreter or a > compiler for any language of my choice. Would prefer to work on Perl6. Perhaps write either an

Re: File content is not written if close not called

2012-07-17 Thread Tim Bunce
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 10:38:32AM -0500, Patrick R. Michaud wrote: > On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 05:36:58PM +0300, Gabor Szabo wrote: > > The following script leaves and epty 'data.txt' behind. > > Only if I call $fh.close is the file contents saved. > > > > Is this a feature? > > > > use v6; > > >

Re: Lessons to learn from ithreads (was: threads?)

2010-12-02 Thread Tim Bunce
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 11:04:18AM +0100, Tim Bunce wrote: > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:52:00PM -0400, Benjamin Goldberg wrote: > >> From: tim.bu...@pobox.com > >> > >> So I'd like to use this sub-thread to try to identify when lessons we > >

Re: threads?

2010-10-18 Thread Tim Bunce
On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 01:18:09AM +0200, Carl Mäsak wrote: > Damian (>>), Matt (>): > >> Perhaps we need to think more Perlishly and reframe the entire question. > >> Not: "What threading model do we need?", but: "What kinds of non-sequential > >> programming tasks do we want to make easy...and ho

Re: Lessons to learn from ithreads (was: threads?)

2010-10-16 Thread Tim Bunce
. On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 01:22:10PM +0200, Leon Timmermans wrote: > On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Tim Bunce wrote: > > If you wanted to start a hundred threads in a language that has good > > support for async constructs you're almost

Re: Lessons to learn from ithreads (was: threads?)

2010-10-16 Thread Tim Bunce
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:52:00PM -0400, Benjamin Goldberg wrote: >> From: tim.bu...@pobox.com >> >> So I'd like to use this sub-thread to try to identify when lessons we >> can learn from ithreads. My initial thoughts are: >> >> - Don't clone a live interpreter. >> Sta

Re: Lessons to learn from ithreads (was: threads?)

2010-10-13 Thread Tim Bunce
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 04:00:02AM +0200, Leon Timmermans wrote: > On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Tim Bunce wrote: > > So I'd like to use this sub-thread to try to identify when lessons we > > can learn from ithreads. My initial thoughts are: > > > >

Lessons to learn from ithreads (was: threads?)

2010-10-13 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 03:42:00PM +0200, Leon Timmermans wrote: > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Ben Goldberg > wrote: > > If thread-unsafe subroutines are called, then something like ithreads > > might be used. > > For the love of $DEITY, let's please not repeat ithreads! It's worth rememb

Ruby Fibers (was: threads?)

2010-10-13 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 07:22:33AM -0700, Damian Conway wrote: > > What we really need is some anecdotal evidence from folks who are actually > using threading in real-world situations (in *any* languages). What has worked > in practice? What has worked well? What was painful? What was error-prone

Re: Filesystems and files [Was: Re: The obligation of free stuff: Google Storage]

2010-07-02 Thread Tim Bunce
This thread reminded me of something I'd posted a while ago: ---snip--- Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:23:11 + From: Tim Bunce To: Richard Hainsworth , perl6-langu...@perl.org Subject: Re: Files, Directories, Resources, Operating Systems On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:40:41PM +0100, Mark Ove

Berkeley Orders Of Magnitude project

2010-06-25 Thread Tim Bunce
This struck me as interesting... http://highscalability.com/blog/2010/6/18/paper-the-declarative-imperative-experiences-and-conjectures.html "The Declarative Imperative: Experiences and Conjectures in Distributed Logic" http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/Pubs/TechRpts/2010/EECS-2010-90.pdf Tim.

Re: r29770 - docs/Perl6/Spec

2010-02-18 Thread Tim Bunce
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:02:58PM +0100, pugs-comm...@feather.perl6.nl wrote: > Author: lwall > New Revision: 29770 > > Modified: >docs/Perl6/Spec/S04-control.pod > +resumed that the stack is unwound the the phasers called. "the the" Tim.

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-25 Thread Tim Bunce
I gave the talk at OSSBarcamp in Dublin last weekend and it went well. My sincere thanks to everyone who contributed. The slides are available at: http://www.slideshare.net/Tim.Bunce/perl-myths-200909 The graphs and stats charting the continuing growth of perl and the perl community were sur

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-15 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 12:15:10PM -0400, Nathan Gray wrote: > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:15:05PM +0100, Tim Bunce wrote: > > You can find my current draft at http://files.me.com/tim.bunce/65oikg > > (2.3MB PDF) > > page 73 - Haskell should be spelled with two Ls Thank you

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-15 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 04:46:33PM +0200, Carl Mäsak wrote: > Tim (>), Carl (>>), Tim (>>>): > >> > I'd be grateful for feedback on any of the slides, but I'm especially > >> > interested in updates for: > >> > > >> >    page 73 - Perl 6 implementations > >> >                I've added Mildew, with

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-15 Thread Tim Bunce
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 03:46:54PM +0200, Carl Mäsak wrote: > Tim (>): > > I'd be grateful for feedback on any of the slides, but I'm especially > > interested in updates for: > > > >    page 73 - Perl 6 implementations > >                I've added Mildew, with links, to the SMOP line > >        

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-15 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 09:40:46AM +1000, Damian Conway wrote: > Darren Duncan wrote: > > > So another proposal I have is to add to the slideshow mentions of the > > Enlightened and Modern Perl movements and where one can go to read more, > > this being supplemental to PBP. > > With that suggesti

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-15 Thread Tim Bunce
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 03:07:40PM -0700, Darren Duncan wrote: > > pp 22-23 - You might want to update the screen captures related to Moose, > both its search.cpan page and dependency graph, since its moved a long way > from 2008; on the other hand, the existing captures are still quite > repre

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-14 Thread Tim Bunce
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 05:49:41PM +0400, Richard Hainsworth wrote: > For the slides on Rakudo, I would suggest adding the modules that are > associated with proto as measure of code written in perl6. There is a list > of 27 projects. proto in itself is an interesting installer. I wasn't aware o

Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-14 Thread Tim Bunce
I'm working on an update to my "Perl - Baseless Myths and Startling Realities" talk. (Which I'll be giving in Dublin, Moscow and Pisa in the few weeks!) I got great help on the Perl 5 portion of the talk when I asked via my blog http://blog.timbunce.org/2009/08/13/help-me-update-my-perl-myths-talk

Re: Rukudo-Star => Rakudo-lite?

2009-08-09 Thread Tim Bunce
On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 10:19:44AM -0500, Patrick R. Michaud wrote: > On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 04:30:07PM +0400, Richard Hainsworth wrote: > > Referring to Patrick's blog about an official 'useable' version of > > Rakudo, a suggestion: > > > > Since Rakudo* (not sure how it is to be written) is in

Concurrency Features in JDK 7 (Work-Stealing)

2009-07-09 Thread Tim Bunce
These seem interesting and relevant here: http://www.ddj.com/go-parallel/blog/archives/2009/04/java_7_will_evo.html http://developers.sun.com/learning/javaoneonline/2008/pdf/TS-5515.pdf http://www.infoq.com/news/2007/07/concurrency-java-se-7 Tim.

Re: Not a bug?

2009-01-12 Thread Tim Bunce
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 04:41:12PM -0800, Ovid wrote: > I really don't think this is a bug, but it did confuse the heck out of me at > first. This *is* expected behavior due to how {} is interpolated in strings, > yes? > > $ perl6 -e 'my $foo = "foo";say "<" ~ $foo ~ ">"' > > $ perl6 -e

Re: r24769 - docs/Perl6/Spec

2009-01-05 Thread Tim Bunce
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 05:54:50PM +0100, pugs-comm...@feather.perl6.nl wrote: > Author: moritz > Date: 2009-01-05 17:54:50 +0100 (Mon, 05 Jan 2009) > New Revision: 24769 > +=item can > + > + our Bool multi method can ($self:, Str $method) > + > +If there is a multi method of name C<$method> that

Re: For your encouragement

2008-12-06 Thread Tim Bunce
On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 11:11:30AM -0800, Geoffrey Broadwell wrote: > On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 09:10 -0600, Andy Lester wrote: > > On Dec 5, 2008, at 4:13 AM, Simon Cozens wrote: > > > > > I just ran this code, which worked with the expected results: > > > > > > Beautiful. Posted to Perlbuzz. > >

Re: Files, Directories, Resources, Operating Systems

2008-11-26 Thread Tim Bunce
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:40:41PM +0100, Mark Overmeer wrote: > We should focus on OS abstraction. > [...] the design of this needs to be free from historical mistakes. And avoid making too many new ones. There must be useful prior art around. Java, for example, has a FileSystem abstraction ja

Re: globs and trees in Perl6

2008-10-02 Thread Tim Bunce
On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 07:01:39PM +1000, Timothy S. Nelson wrote: > On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, Tim Bunce wrote: > >> On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 11:24:04PM -0400, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: >>> On 2008 Oct 1, at 22:23, Timothy S. Nelson wrote: >>>> On Wed, 1 Oct 200

Re: globs and trees in Perl6

2008-10-02 Thread Tim Bunce
On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 11:24:04PM -0400, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: > On 2008 Oct 1, at 22:23, Timothy S. Nelson wrote: >> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: >>> On 2008 Oct 1, at 22:14, Timothy S. Nelson wrote: Hi all. I've enjoyed(?) reading over the February/March

SquirrelFish (was: Dynamic Languages Strike Back)

2008-06-04 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 08:51:24AM +0200, François Perrad wrote: > FYI a recent talk > http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2008/05/dynamic-languages-strike-back.html Which ties in nicely with the announcement of SquirrelFish yesterday: http://webkit.org/blog/189/announcing-squirrelfish/ ---snip

Re: parrot benchmarking

2008-04-16 Thread Tim Bunce
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 12:10:54AM +0200, Leopold Toetsch wrote: > Am Freitag, 11. April 2008 21:02 schrieb Nuno 'smash' Carvalho: > > Greetings all, > > > >  I just posted a little Parrot benchmark in my use.perl's journal > > Just a reminder: > > Please don't use unoptimzed builds for benchmark

Re: Status of docs/embed.pod and Parrot::Embed?

2007-12-21 Thread Tim Bunce
On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 04:37:31PM +0200, Allison Randal wrote: > Tim Bunce wrote: > > >> I meant docs/pdds/draft/pdd10_embedding.pod > >> > >> I could trying hacking on it to at least mention all the functions in > >> embed.h > >> with a few wo

Re: Status of docs/embed.pod and Parrot::Embed?

2007-12-11 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 11:20:39AM +0200, Allison Randal wrote: > Andy Armstrong wrote: >> >> Where might a volunteer start? >> >> I also promised Yuval that I'd refactor Test::TAP::Model to use >> Test::Harness 3.00 - so to some extent I've answered my own question - but >> I'd like to get my ha

Re: Status of docs/embed.pod and Parrot::Embed?

2007-12-10 Thread Tim Bunce
On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 10:57:05AM -0800, chromatic wrote: > On Monday 10 December 2007 01:59:40 Tim Bunce wrote: > > > Meanwhile there's some housekeeping I can be getting on with. > > Like fixing the broken Makefile.PL (seems best to make it a wrapper for > > th

Re: Status of docs/embed.pod and Parrot::Embed?

2007-12-10 Thread Tim Bunce
On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 04:37:31PM +0200, Allison Randal wrote: > >> > s[...]. It probably makes the > most sense to repeat the group drafting strategy we're using with the PIR > PDD. You and others can help pull together the draft PDD, and I'll > review/revise/approve it as it reaches a relativ

Status of docs/embed.pod and Parrot::Embed?

2007-12-10 Thread Tim Bunce
I'm interested in doing some work on Parrot::Embed. So I'm wondering what state it's in and if there are any short term plans for it. Any good reason it's not part of the normal build/test cycle? Also, what's the status of docs/embed.pod? It seems out of date and/or imcomplete (no mention of Par

Re: Status of docs/embed.pod and Parrot::Embed?

2007-12-10 Thread Tim Bunce
On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 09:59:40AM +, Tim Bunce wrote: > Also, what's the status of docs/embed.pod? It seems out of date and/or > imcomplete (no mention of Parrot_call_sub, for example). I meant docs/pdds/draft/pdd10_embedding.pod I could trying hacking on it to at least ment

Re: old link, pugs not on CPAN?

2007-09-04 Thread Tim Bunce
On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 07:31:10AM -0700, Larry Wall wrote: > On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 01:01:28PM +0200, Wolfgang Laun wrote: > > : The latest version Perl6-Pugs-6.2.13 from October 2006 didn't even compile. > > Perhaps that's a mercy. :) > > Anyway, you'll likely be much happier just checking i

Interfacing parrot with the new Java Scripting API

2007-08-12 Thread Tim Bunce
Could someone familar with parrot take a look at the Java Scripting API (aka JSR223) and let us know how much work would be involved in adding support for it to parrot? See https://scripting.dev.java.net/ and http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/technotes/guides/scripting/index.html Something to wat

Re: Query regarding Java/perl interface

2007-06-20 Thread Tim Bunce
On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 12:53:32PM +0800, Agent Zhang wrote: > On 6/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Hi I am sameer and am new to this group. It would realy help if any > >body can let me know is there a book or reference guiode where in i > >can get help regarding the perl/ja

Re: Perl 6 Microgrants. Now accepting proposals.

2007-03-22 Thread Tim Bunce
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 11:04:29PM -0400, Jesse Vincent wrote: > I'm pleased to announce the inaugural Perl 6 Microgrants program. > Best Practical Solutions (my company) has donated USD5,000 to The > Perl Foundation to help support Perl 6 Development. Leon Brocard, > representing The Perl F

Re: Synposis 26 - Documentation [alpha draft]

2006-10-12 Thread Tim Bunce
On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 03:57:01PM -0700, Jonathan Lang wrote: > Tim Bunce wrote: > >Damian Conway wrote: > >> Dave Whipp wrote: > >> >I'm not a great fan of this concept of "reservation" when there is no > >> >mechanism for its enforceme

Re: Synposis 26 - Documentation [alpha draft]

2006-10-12 Thread Tim Bunce
On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 02:55:57PM +1000, Damian Conway wrote: > Dave Whipp wrote: > > >I'm not a great fan of this concept of "reservation" when there is no > >mechanism for its enforcement (and this is perl...). > > What makes you assume there will be no mechanism for enforcement? The > stand

Re: Runtime Role Issues

2006-10-11 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 01:31:59PM -0700, Ovid wrote: > Hi all, > > In doing a bit of work with traits (roles) in Perl 5 > (http://perlmonks.org/?node_id=577477), I've realized some edge cases > which could be problematic. > > First, when a role is applied to a class at runtime, a instance of tha

Re: PDD 22 - I/O release candidate 1

2006-09-27 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 04:44:53PM -0700, Allison Randal wrote: > I've committed an updated I/O PDD. I'm close to pronouncing this ready > to implement, so get in your comments now. > > One piece that is currently missing is a discussion of which lightweight > concurrency model we're going to us

Re: CPANDB - was: Module::Dependency 1.84

2006-07-12 Thread Tim Bunce
On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 03:03:14AM +0200, Tels wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Moin Tim, > > On Tuesday 11 July 2006 18:34, Tim Bunce wrote: > > I needed some code to trawl through a directory tree parsing perl > > modules and scripts t

Module::Dependency 1.84

2006-07-11 Thread Tim Bunce
I needed some code to trawl through a directory tree parsing perl modules and scripts to determine their dependencies. The closest existing CPAN code was Module::Dependency but it fell short of what I needed. The original author (P Kent) has passed over maintenance to me. My latest release is:

Re: Revised Perl++ Wiki Proposal / $1k bounty

2006-06-22 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 08:29:54AM -0700, Conrad Schneiker wrote: > Here's my latest proposal. Feedback welcome. > > I propose to install twiki (http://www.twiki.org/) on Feather. This is > a GPL'd Perl-based industrial-strength wiki. This would serve as the > general Perl 6 wiki, aka Perl++. I

Re: [perl #39255] Revision 12862 fails tests on OS X

2006-06-03 Thread Tim Bunce
for these features to > >"encourage" development. > > > >We've tried to let head be usable for this long, we should probably > >have some kind of procedure for dealing with this this sort of > >development to avoid this sort of confusion. > >

Perl 6 implmenentation of the Java JDBC API?

2006-05-17 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 11:59:48PM +0100, Tim Bunce wrote: > That's partly why I added the following idea to The Perl Foundation's Summer > of Code > project list (http://www.perl.org/advocacy/summerofcode/ideas.html): > > Reimplement the DBI v1 API in Pugs > Des

DBI2 reborn with DBI1 facade

2006-05-17 Thread Tim Bunce
he familiar DBI API while radically refactoring the internals to make best use of Perl 6 and so enable greater functionality and extensibility. (Likely mentor: Tim Bunce) Trying to come up with both a new architecture and a new API was too much. A great deal can be achieved by radically refactori

Re: NCI 'v' vs '' in function parameter signatures

2006-03-03 Thread Tim Bunce
Any news on this? Is it okay? Should I send it via parrotbug? Tim. On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 03:36:20PM +, Tim Bunce wrote: > On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 10:04:59PM +0100, Leopold Toetsch wrote: > > On Feb 14, 2006, at 18:29, Tim Bunce wrote: > > > > >The runtime dlf

Re: Rare failure of t/dynoplibs/myops alarm sequence

2006-02-28 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 03:37:23PM +0100, Leopold Toetsch wrote: > > On Feb 28, 2006, at 14:59, Tim Bunce wrote: > > >FYI I saw this once but haven't been able to repeat it: > > > >t/dynoplibs/myopsok 6/7 > > This can happen if the mac

Re: NCI 'v' vs '' in function parameter signatures

2006-02-28 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 10:04:59PM +0100, Leopold Toetsch wrote: > On Feb 14, 2006, at 18:29, Tim Bunce wrote: > > >The runtime dlfunc code will need to be altered to normalize away the > >trailing v so old code won't break. Should it warn about that? > > Yes, a warn

Rare failure of t/dynoplibs/myops alarm sequence

2006-02-28 Thread Tim Bunce
FYI I saw this once but haven't been able to repeat it: t/dynoplibs/myopsok 6/7 # Failed test (t/dynoplibs/myops.t at line 107) # got: '1 # alarm1 # 2 # alarm2 # 3 # alarm3 # alarm1 # alarm3 # alarm3 # 4 # alarm3 # alarm3 # 5 # don

Re: NCI 'v' vs '' in function parameter signatures

2006-02-14 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 02:48:41PM +0100, Leopold Toetsch wrote: > Tim Bunce wrote: > >What's the difference between 'v' and '' for NCI function parameters? > > There isn't any, except the extra 'v' char. > > >I ask because bot

NCI 'v' vs '' in function parameter signatures

2006-02-13 Thread Tim Bunce
What's the difference between 'v' and '' for NCI function parameters? Here, for example, is the code for 'fv' and 'f': static void pcf_f_v(Interp *interpreter, PMC *self) { typedef float (*func_t)(void); func_t pointer; struct call_state st; float return_data;

ncidef2pasm - generate PIR?

2006-01-23 Thread Tim Bunce
In runtime/parrot/library/ I see ncurses.declarations ncurses.pasm ncurses.pbc ncurses.pir and I see tools/utils/ncidef2pasm.pl that'll convert ncurses.declarations into ncurses.pasm. But where did ncurses.pir come from? (Originally ncurses.imc?) ncidef2pasm.pl c

Class::Role, Class::Roles, and run-time role composition for Perl5

2005-10-21 Thread Tim Bunce
The Class::Role and Class::Roles modules on CPAN implement a form of compile-time Perl6 role composition for Perl5. Neither supports run-time role composition, as-in: http://dev.perl.org/perl6/doc/design/syn/S12.html#Roles The does operator returns the object so you can nest mixins:

Re: HLL Namespace Design

2005-09-06 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 02:22:23PM +0100, Jonathan Worthington wrote: > "Tim Bunce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Having said all that, I don't think it's worth worrying about > >inter-language issues until more fundamental namespace co-existance > &g

Re: HLL Namespace Design

2005-09-06 Thread Tim Bunce
On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 01:43:20PM -0400, Matt Diephouse wrote: > In order to help finish Parrot's HLL namespace support, I've compiled > a list of features and information that I believe is necessary to > support the target languages. I've done so after doing a survey of > these languages. I may h

Re: Call for B0rked

2005-09-01 Thread Tim Bunce
On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 04:04:45PM -0700, chromatic wrote: > Hi all, > > In a recent discussion with Chip and Leo, the idea came up to ask for a > list of very specific TODO items -- specifically things that should work > but don't. Not very specific, but: "whatever Ponie needs most". I'm sure

Re: Perl 6 Summary for 2005-08-15 through 2005-08-22

2005-08-23 Thread Tim Bunce
On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 09:43:41PM -0400, Matt Fowles wrote: > >Java on Parrot > Tim Bunce asked some preliminary questions about Java on Parrot. I > provide preliminary answers, and Nattfodd and Autrijus posted links to > related work. The important question of wh

Re: DBI v2 - The Plan and How You Can Help

2005-08-17 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 12:12:02PM -0700, Dean Arnold wrote: > Tim Bunce wrote: > > >And nobody mentioned JDBC as a potential model. Odd that. > > I was sorely tempted to do so (and did mention it a few times in > my posts, along w/ ODBC and ADO.NET), but there are some thin

Re: DBI v2 - The Plan and How You Can Help

2005-08-17 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 01:16:19PM -0700, Darren Duncan wrote: > At 4:04 PM +0100 8/16/05, Tim Bunce wrote: > >I was a little dissapointed that there wasn't greater focus on using > >Perl6 features - especially as it would have helped kick-start my own > >understand

Re: Parrot <-> Java integration

2005-08-17 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 04:39:06PM +0200, Nattfodd wrote: > Tim Bunce wrote: > > >Anyone given any thought to Parrot <-> Java integration? > > > >Possible? > >Practical? > >How much would would be involved? > > > >Tim. > > If I'

Re: DBI v2 - The Plan and How You Can Help

2005-08-17 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 03:58:54PM -0400, John Siracusa wrote: > On 8/16/05, Tim Bunce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was a little dissapointed that there wasn't greater focus on using > > Perl6 features - especially as it would have helped kick-start my own > &g

Re: DBI v2 - The Plan and How You Can Help

2005-08-16 Thread Tim Bunce
On Sat, Jul 09, 2005 at 10:25:32PM +1000, Adam Kennedy wrote: > >In particular, the DBI must not mandate impossible levels of support from > >the drivers. It will benefit you nothing if the DBI is immaculate and > >wonderful and incredibly all-singing and all-dancing, but no-one can write > >a d

t/dynclass/gdbmhash.t failures

2005-08-16 Thread Tim Bunce
Configure.pl said Determining if your platform supports gdbm.yes. But t/dynclass/gdbmhash.t fails completely: Failed Test Stat Wstat Total Fail Failed List of Failed --- t/dynclass

Parrot <-> Java integration

2005-08-16 Thread Tim Bunce
Anyone given any thought to Parrot <-> Java integration? Possible? Practical? How much would would be involved? Tim.

Translating (or at least parsing) Java interface definitions

2005-08-08 Thread Tim Bunce
Anyone done any work on parsing Java interface definitions? And, ideally, translating them into roughly equivalent Perl 6? Tim.

Re: Container model - pictures and questions

2005-08-08 Thread Tim Bunce
[I'm going to be a little pedantic here because I think it's worth it given the need for clarity.] On Sun, Aug 07, 2005 at 12:55:53AM +0800, Autrijus Tang wrote: > On Sat, Aug 06, 2005 at 12:43:13PM -0400, Matt Fowles wrote: > > The pictures are pretty and the compilation one makes a great deal of

Re: DBI v2 - The Plan and How You Can Help

2005-07-21 Thread Tim Bunce
On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 01:06:02AM +0100, Tim Bunce wrote: > Once upon a time I said: I'm back now and, after digesting a small mountain of non-DBI related emails, I'll start digesting all your replies and getting up to speed with Perl 6. Many thanks to all who replied on and off-list. Tim.

Re: DBI v2 - The Plan and How You Can Help

2005-07-21 Thread Tim Bunce
u. Tim. [1] https://donate.perlfoundation.org/index.pl?node=Contribution%20Info&selfund=102 > > > > -----Original Message- > > From: Tim Bunce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 7:06 PM > > To: perl6-language@perl.org; dbi-users@perl.o

DBI v2 - The Plan and How You Can Help

2005-07-01 Thread Tim Bunce
Once upon a time I said: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/perl.dbi.users/msg/caf189d7b404a003?dmode=source&hl=en and wrote http://search.cpan.org/~timb/DBI/Roadmap.pod which yielded: https://donate.perlfoundation.org/index.pl?node=Fund+Drive+Details&selfund=102 (A little over $500 o

Re: [Maybe Spam] Re: DBD-mysql coverage == 56% - am I on drugs ??

2005-05-14 Thread Tim Bunce
On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 10:51:56AM +0200, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 03:00:39PM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > >Covering the XS portion of the code with gcov is possible, and Devel::Cover > > >will create all kinds of nice webpages and st

Re: Test failures on OSX

2005-05-14 Thread Tim Bunce
On Thu, May 12, 2005 at 10:31:06PM +0200, Leopold Toetsch wrote: > Tim wrote: > >Fresh (and first) checkout and build of parrot (#8075) > > first???\ :-) I know, I know. Real life, real work and all that. I've been "watching from afar" though at all this great work. I still won't have much

Re: Tests running Tests

2005-04-13 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 02:02:07PM -0400, Sam Tregar wrote: > On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > I would do it in the same way as if this had nothing to do with tests. > > That is, abstract away the common code into a module, which can also > > live under t/ > > That would be a lot of

Re: Dynamic Perl, Part 1 [IMCC]

2005-04-08 Thread Tim Bunce
On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 11:35:46PM -0400, William Coleda wrote: > There are two open tickets about removing the core's dependance on Perl* > PMCs, and instead, making them dynamically loadable and using the language > agnostic PMCs for internal use. > > Talking about this with Leo on IRC, he exp

PLEAC - Programming Language Examples Alike Cookbook

2005-04-01 Thread Tim Bunce
So far http://pleac.sourceforge.net/ has comparative Perl Cookbook example for these languages: - perl, 100.00% done (naturally, since they're from the book) - python, 63.43% done - ruby, 62.43% done - guile, 30.00% done - merd, 28.86% done - ada, 26.00% done - tcl, 25.00% done - ocaml, 24

Re: Test label - contents

2004-12-07 Thread Tim Bunce
On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 10:28:45PM -0600, Andy Lester wrote: > I think even better than > > ok( $expr, "name" ); > or > ok( $expr, "comment" ); > is > ok( $expr, "label" ); > > RJBS points out that "comment" implies "not really worth doing", and I > still don't like "name" because it impli

Re: [off topic] an amusing side note

2004-11-24 Thread Tim Bunce
On Wed, Nov 24, 2004 at 06:30:29PM -0500, Felix Gallo wrote: > > 2. "perl 6 is a lot cleaner than perl 5". It's also much, much > larger than an already very large language. I've been programming > and evangelizing Perl in organizations small and gigantic since > 4.03x, and my eyes just glaze o

Re: Exceptions, sub cleanup, and scope exit

2004-11-18 Thread Tim Bunce
On Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 11:37:54AM -0800, chromatic wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 13:36 -0500, Dan Sugalski wrote: > > > I'd like pushing exception handlers to remain simple -- the current > > system is almost OK. What I'd like it to change to is: > > > > push_eh label > > > > with poppin

Re: Namespaces, part 2

2004-10-04 Thread Tim Bunce
On Mon, Oct 04, 2004 at 11:25:47AM -0400, Dan Sugalski wrote: > Okay, since we've got the *basic* semantics down (unified namespace, > namespace entries get a post-pended null character) it's time for the > ops to handle them, as well as some extended semantics. I agree with Larry when he said "

Re: Namespaces

2004-09-07 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Sep 07, 2004 at 09:26:14AM -0400, Dan Sugalski wrote: > Time to nail this. > > We need namespaces. Duh. We talked about this in the past. I've reordered these to put the simple/fundamental things first: > *) Namespaces are hierarchical > *) The top-level namespace ["__INTERNAL"] is taken

Re: Differences between output of 'make test' and 'prove'

2004-09-03 Thread Tim Bunce
On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 04:02:39PM -0400, stevan little wrote: > I seem to have fixed the issue, it had something to do with the scope > of some of the DBD specific variables. Basically, I had repleaced > several use vars (...) with our $variable not realizing the variables > were then being

Re: Synopsis 9 draft 1

2004-09-03 Thread Tim Bunce
On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 04:47:40PM -0700, Larry Wall wrote: > > =head1 Compact structs > > A class whose attributes are all low-level types can behave as > a struct. "all low-level types" or "all low-level *sized* types"? (I'm wondering about char arrays, string and pointers.) I presume a char[

Re: Functions for embedders to override

2004-08-18 Thread Tim Bunce
On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 01:10:42AM -0400, Dan Sugalski wrote: > > >A good place to look at for the complete list is Perl 5's system > >abstraction layer. > > Yeah. If you've got time to get a list I'd very much appreciate it. http://search.cpan.org/src/NWCLARK/perl-5.8.5/iperlsys.h Tim.

Re: CPANTS preview

2004-07-24 Thread Tim Bunce
On Sat, Jul 24, 2004 at 06:35:44PM +0200, Thomas Klausner wrote: > Hi! > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 03:29:10AM +0100, Tim Bunce wrote: > > > The DBI gets 9. The one failure is permissions_ok: > > > > > permissions_ok (i.e. all files are read/writable by extrac

Re: CPANTS preview

2004-07-22 Thread Tim Bunce
On Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 04:28:08PM +0200, Thomas Klausner wrote: > Hi! > > I ran CPANTS today, you can view results here: > > http://cpants.dev.zsi.at/ > ( or http://test1.dev.zsi.at if DNS isn't updated..) > > in /metrics there is a yaml-file for each dist > cpants.db (or cpants.db.gz) is a

Re: Testing Database Schema

2004-07-22 Thread Tim Bunce
On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 05:00:05AM -0700, Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tony Bowden) writes: > > [...] > > The two "best" ideas we've had so far are to either run the SQL in the > > code against a temporary database, and then compare both SHOW CREATE > > TABLE outputs, or to use so

Re: Python builtin namespace

2004-07-16 Thread Tim Bunce
On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 12:02:15AM -0400, Dan Sugalski wrote: > At 10:17 PM + 7/15/04, Steve Peters wrote: > >On Friday 16 July 2004 02:46 am, Dan Sugalski wrote: > >> And language builtin namespaces in general. We need a standard, and > >> now's as good a time as any, so... > >> > >> All langu

Re: Test::Inline should not capture STDOUT, STDERR

2004-07-08 Thread Tim Bunce
On Wed, Jul 07, 2004 at 05:12:20PM -0700, chromatic wrote: > > Add no_plan while you're writing tests, run the tests, then when you're > done, change the plan to reflect the number of tests to run. I have a > brain-dead simple vim mapping to do just that. Aside: Would be good if someone maintain

Re: FW: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-06-08 Thread Tim Bunce
On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 10:52:32PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: > > My console can be any of several platforms - in the last couple of weeks > it has been a Linux box, a Windows PC, a Mac, a Sun workstation, and a > real vt320 attached to a Sun. My mail sits on a hosted Linux box. To > read i

Re: Next release of Test::More? (problems with MakeMaker PREREQ_PM etc)

2004-05-24 Thread Tim Bunce
On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 07:50:40AM -0700, David Wheeler wrote: > On May 24, 2004, at 4:02 AM, Tim Bunce wrote: > > >Any idea when the next release of Test::More will be available? > > We could use a new version of Test::Harness, too, given this bug: > > https://rt.cpa

Next release of Test::More? (problems with MakeMaker PREREQ_PM etc)

2004-05-24 Thread Tim Bunce
Any idea when the next release of Test::More will be available? The last development release was Test-Simple-0.48_01 November 2002 That one uses a string for $VERSION which contains an underscore so for people with it installed "perl Makefile.PL" for the DBI says: > Argument "0.48_01" isn't num

Re: DBI tests update

2004-05-15 Thread Tim Bunce
On Sat, May 15, 2004 at 01:17:27PM -0500, Andy Lester wrote: > >Not having a threaded version of perl handy right now (I am home, it > >is at work), I cannot test this right now. The changes I had made were > >only to change a few tests to 'cmp_ok' and add test names, which > >should not affect

Re: DBI tests update

2004-05-15 Thread Tim Bunce
On Sat, May 15, 2004 at 11:47:39AM +0100, Tim Bunce wrote: > On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 09:16:00PM -0400, stevan little wrote: > > Tim, Andy, > > Could you take a look at this problem with threaded perl: > > t/10examp.ok 165/252Invalid value for shared scalar at &

Re: DBI tests update

2004-05-15 Thread Tim Bunce
On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 09:16:00PM -0400, stevan little wrote: > Tim, Andy, Could you take a look at this problem with threaded perl: t/10examp.ok 165/252Invalid value for shared scalar at /usr/local/perl583-i/lib/5.8.3/Test/Builder.pm line 319. WHOA! Somehow you got a different num

Re: Events (I think we need a new name)

2004-05-12 Thread Tim Bunce
On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 12:08:08PM -0400, Dan Sugalski wrote: > Okay, so I'm working on redoing the events document based on the > critiques from folks so far. (Which have been quite helpful) I should > have a second draft of the thing soon. > > It does, though, sound like we might want an alter

Re: hoplite report for DBI : Part 2

2004-05-12 Thread Tim Bunce
(it basically > fails to load the regular test file). > > I think this makes sense, the zppp* files should not have -T in their > she-bang, since the regular test files they load already do. Would you > agree? Yes. Tim. > Steve > > On May 11, 2004, at 6:06 PM, Tim Bunc

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