Re: [openstack-dev] [All] LOG.warning/LOG.warn

2014-08-19 Thread Flavio Percoco
on't attempt to do a > piece-by-piece conversion in the meantime. I agree with Daniel here. I'd rather have a single, ninja-approved patch changing all matches than several small patches that introduce unrelated changes to replace warn with warning. An additional benefit is that the single-replacement patch may also be used as a reference for future commits using `warn` instead of `warning`. My $0.02, Flavio -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [oslo][db] Nominating Mike Bayer for the oslo.db core reviewers team

2014-08-19 Thread Flavio Percoco
do this? :-) >> >> +1 obviously. > > I did think it would be a good idea to wait a *little* while and make sure we > weren’t going to scare him off. ;-) > > Seriously, Mike has been doing a great job collaborating with the existing > team and helping us make oslo.db sane. > > +1 Big +1 -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [infra] Gerrit downtime on August 16 for project renames

2014-08-19 Thread Flavio Percoco
s that we will rename is: > > openstack/marconi -> openstack/zaqar > openstack/python-marconiclient -> openstack/python-zaqarclient > openstack/marconi-specs -> openstack/zaqar-specs Thanks! -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco __

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] 3rd Party CI vs. Gerrit

2014-08-19 Thread Flavio Percoco
change >>> that shows the latest results in a table format. (You may need to >>> force-reload in your browser to see the change.) >> >> Beautiful! Thank you so much to everyone involved. > > +1! Love this. > Yes, finally. One of the things I really wanted. Thanks guys! -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] The future of the integrated release

2014-08-19 Thread Flavio Percoco
#x27;s the only project > that graduated since Havana that I can, off hand, point at as clearly > successful. Heat and Ceilometer both graduated prior to being in > production; a few cycles later, they're still having adoption problems > and looking at large architectural changes. I t

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] The future of the integrated release

2014-08-19 Thread Flavio Percoco
27;t > ready for production. That doesn't mean we haven't made mistakes, but > we're trying to learn and improve. We developed a set of *written* > guidelines to stick to, and have been holding all projects up to them. > Teams like Ceilometer have been very receptive to the process, have > developed plans to fill gaps, and have been working hard on the issues. > > A hard rule for production deployments seems like a heavy rule. I'd > rather just say that we should be confident that it's a production ready > component, and known deployments are one such piece of input that would > provide that confidence. It could also just be extraordinary testing > that shows both scale and quality. +1, we can't force people to deploy a non-integrated project and we shouldn't hold all incubated projects on that. Cheers, Flavio -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] The future of the integrated release

2014-08-19 Thread Flavio Percoco
this list, we need to go through the "must have" requirements and see how many of them are met by these projects and whether there are good established plans to meet the ones left, if any. Speaking for Zaqar (Marconi), we've been always honest about the project maturity and a good exa

Re: [openstack-dev] [glance] Review priorities

2014-08-21 Thread Flavio Percoco
day. > > Thanks, > Arnaud > > > [1]https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule > [2]https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/j3-glance-patches > > > > _______ > OpenStack-dev mailing list > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.o

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance][Heat] Murano split dsicussion

2014-08-22 Thread Flavio Percoco
rg/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-03-04-20.02.log.txt > > > > -- > Georgy Okrokvertskhov > Architect, > OpenStack Platform Products, > Mirantis > http://www.mirantis.com > Tel. +1 650 963 9828 > Mob. +1 650 996 3284

Re: [openstack-dev] [oslo] Launchpad tracking of oslo projects

2014-08-22 Thread Flavio Percoco
ince the incubator doesn't do "releases" anyway. However, > it has to be renamed to "oslo-incubator" so that it doesn't conflict > with the projectgroup namespace. Once it no longer contains graduated > libs, that name makes much more sense anyway.

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [ptls] The Czar system, or how to scale PTLs

2014-08-22 Thread Flavio Percoco
hat doesn't work (scaling/burnout). > +1 FWIW, this is how things have worked in Zaqar since the very beginning. We've split our duties throughout the team, which helped clearing some of the PTL duties. So far, we have people responsible for: * Bugs for the server * Bugs for th

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] new testtools breaking gate

2014-08-22 Thread Flavio Percoco
he requirement to unpin > the version of the library. > > So, please review, backport, and make sure it lands in project > requirements files. > > /Ihar >> >> ___ >> OpenStack-dev mailing

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [ptls] The Czar system, or how to scale PTLs

2014-08-25 Thread Flavio Percoco
e talk/think about PTLs. Flavio > I'm open to the alternative solution (which would be for programs which > are not interested in having a PTL to just not have one). But then if > things go badly wrong, you require the TC to step in with threats of > removal of OpenStack and/or to force an election/vote in the middle of > the crisis. I'm really failing to see how that would result, in those > hypothetical crisis scenarios, in a better outcome. -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [ptls] The Czar system, or how to scale PTLs

2014-08-26 Thread Flavio Percoco
ng > meetings and organizing meetups), design summit planning, roadmapping, > user point of contact, or spokesperson -- as I expect the PTL to retain > those roles anyway... +1 for letting the PTL take care of this. Flavio -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco ___

Re: [openstack-dev] [zaqar] [marconi] Juno Performance Testing (Round 1)

2014-08-27 Thread Flavio Percoco
und of benchmarking. > [5]: In a real app, messages will usually be requested in batches. > [6]: In this test, the target client does not send a response message back > to the sender. However, if it did, the test would still only require a > single queue, since in Zaqar queues are du

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [glance] python namespaces considered harmful to development, lets not introduce more of them

2014-08-27 Thread Flavio Percoco
Release a new version with the new name `glancestore` - Switch glance over to `glancestore` - Complete the rename process with support from infra 2. Let this patch land, complete Glance's switch-over using namespaces and then do the rename all together. Do you have any other suggestion that would help avoiding namespaces without blocking glance.store? Thanks, Flavio -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Design Summit reloaded

2014-08-27 Thread Flavio Percoco
rom days 1 - 3 and expand the > hallway time. Hallway track is always pretty interesting, and honestly > at a lot of interesting ideas spring up. The 10 minute transitions often > seem to feel like you are rushing between places too quickly some times. +1 Last summit, it was basically impossible to do any hallway talking and even meet some folks face-2-face. Other than that, I think the proposal is great and makes sense to me. Flavio -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [glance] python namespaces considered harmful to development, lets not introduce more of them

2014-08-28 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 08/27/2014 05:52 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > On Aug 27, 2014, at 11:14 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote: > >> On 08/27/2014 04:31 PM, Sean Dague wrote: >>> So this change came in with adding glance.store - >>> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115265/5/lib/g

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [glance] python namespaces considered harmful to development, lets not introduce more of them

2014-08-28 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 08/27/2014 09:18 PM, James E. Blair wrote: > Sean Dague writes: > >> On 08/27/2014 11:14 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote: >>> On 08/27/2014 04:31 PM, Sean Dague wrote: >>> 1. Do a partial rename and then complete it after the glance migration >>> is done. If

Re: [openstack-dev] [zaqar] [marconi] Removing GET message by ID in v1.1 (Redux)

2014-08-28 Thread Flavio Percoco
n the API, which would require a major release. What we can do, though, is start working on a spec for the V2 of the API. API v2 sounds like a good topic for a design session, we've already done a good cleanup of minor things in v1.1 and I believe we can make v2 happen in Kilo.

[openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Early proposals for design summit sessions

2014-08-28 Thread Flavio Percoco
Greetings, I'd like to join the early coordination effort for design sessions. I've shamelessly copied Doug's template for Oslo into a new etherpad so we can start proposing sessions there. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-zaqar-summit-topics Flavio -- @flaper87

[openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Early proposals for design summit sessions

2014-08-28 Thread Flavio Percoco
Greetings, I'd like to join the early coordination effort for design sessions. I've shamelessly copied Doug's template for Oslo into a new etherpad so we can start proposing sessions there. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-zaqar-summit-topics Flavio -- @flaper87

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [glance] python namespaces considered harmful to development, lets not introduce more of them

2014-08-28 Thread Flavio Percoco
ip/xstatic/__init__.py >> > More on that at > http://pythonhosted.org/setuptools/setuptools.html?namespace-packages#namespace-packages > This is not solved. In fact, we already declare the namespace in the __init__ files. The problem, as Sean mentioned, is the way

Re: [openstack-dev] [oslo.messaging] Request to include AMQP 1.0 support in Juno-3

2014-08-28 Thread Flavio Percoco
stated in my last comment on the driver's review, I think we should let this driver land and let future patches improve it where/when needed. I agreed on letting the driver land as-is based on the fact that there are patches already submitted ready to enable the gates for this d

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Gerrit Downtime on August 30, 2014

2014-08-28 Thread Flavio Percoco
o quickly. Flavio -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [oslo] change to deprecation policy in the incubator

2014-08-29 Thread Flavio Percoco
sides the time they're dedicating to other projects) to do that work. One more thing, we need to add to the list of ports to do during Kilo the backlog of ports that haven't happened yet. For example, I haven't ported glance to oslo.utils yet. I expect to do it before the

Re: [openstack-dev] Review change to nova api pretty please?

2014-08-29 Thread Flavio Percoco
ists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-September/015264.html > Thanks! > Alex > > > > ___ > OpenStack-dev mailing list > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/op

[openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-04 Thread Flavio Percoco
for Zaqar[0]. The list is not exhaustive and it'll contain more information before the next meeting. [0] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zaqar-integrated-projects-use-cases Thanks to all of you who attended the meeting, I'm looking forward to your feedback and obviously the next meeting

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-04 Thread Flavio Percoco
e one that I worry may not > be served best by bending #1 onto it. Push semantics are being developed. We've had enough discussions that have helped preparing the ground for it. However, I believe both use cases could be covered by Zaqar as-is. Could you elaborate a bit more on #2? Especially on why you think Zaqar as is can't serve this specific case? Also, feel free to add use-cases to that etherpad if there's anything missing. :D Cheers, Flavio -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

[openstack-dev] [Glance][FFE] glance_store switch-over and random access to image data

2014-09-04 Thread Flavio Percoco
estartable-image-download -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-04 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 09/04/2014 01:15 PM, Chris Dent wrote: > On Thu, 4 Sep 2014, Flavio Percoco wrote: > > Thanks for writing this up, interesting read. > Thank you for your feedback :) Some comments in-line. >> 5. Ceilometer's recommended storage driver is still MongoDB, althoug

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-04 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 09/04/2014 02:14 PM, Sean Dague wrote: > On 09/04/2014 03:08 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote: >> Greetings, >> >> Last Tuesday the TC held the first graduation review for Zaqar. During >> the meeting some concerns arose. I've listed those concerns below with >>

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-04 Thread Flavio Percoco
t;optional" services, we will have to re-evaluate all the integrated projects and move those that fit into that category. > > I'm still hesitating on the best approach. I think they yield the same > end result, but the -1 approach seems to be a bit more unfair, since it > would

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] FFE request for API v1.1 Response Document Changes

2014-09-04 Thread Flavio Percoco
and complete this work now. Thanks for sending the email, Flavio -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-05 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 09/04/2014 07:08 PM, Clint Byrum wrote: > Excerpts from Flavio Percoco's message of 2014-09-04 06:01:45 -0700: >> On 09/04/2014 02:14 PM, Sean Dague wrote: >>> On 09/04/2014 03:08 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote: >>>> Greetings, >>>> >>>> Las

Re: [openstack-dev] how to provide tests environments for python things that require C extensions

2014-09-05 Thread Flavio Percoco
Stack too if we get > it right. > I think it is sexy - I don't describe ideas/software as sexy that often but this one deserves it. I'm interested in helping out. I'll clone it and give it a try - or at least take a look at it. Flavio > Monty > > ___ > OpenStack-dev mailing list > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance][FFE] glance_store switch-over and random access to image data

2014-09-05 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 09/05/2014 05:20 PM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Flavio Percoco wrote: >> Greetings, >> >> I'd like to request a FFE for 2 features I've been working on during >> Juno which, unfortunately, haven been delayed for different reasons >> during this time. >

Re: [openstack-dev] doubling our core review bandwidth

2014-09-08 Thread Flavio Percoco
approve the patch. I'm basically saying the same thing that has been proposed but based on the current default + an exception to the rule. What changes is the way people approach reviews. Leaving 2x+2 as the default but allowing exceptions where people can 1x+2A is bette

[openstack-dev] [Glance] Please, help testing Glance and keeping glance_store updated

2014-09-09 Thread Flavio Percoco
u care about a store that is not tested in the gate, please, do test it in your own environment. If anything comes up, do not hesitate to contact me or any other glance_core. [0] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100636/ [1] http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/glance_store

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-10 Thread Flavio Percoco
] "Queue service" is even the official OpenStack Program name, and > the mission statement starts with "To produce an OpenStack message > queueing API and service." > > http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/refer

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Zaqar graduation (round 2) [was: Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting]

2014-09-10 Thread Flavio Percoco
can integrate with Zaqar to surface events to end users and to communicate with guest agents that run in the "over-cloud" layer. Cloud operators can leverage Zaqar to provide equivalents of SQS and SNS to their customers." To be fair, w

Re: [openstack-dev] [glance] 0.14.0 client - v2 requests broken

2014-09-10 Thread Flavio Percoco
be a reasonable short term > solution which would allow less pressured reviewing of 120300? > Why do you think landing 120300 will take long? If both patches are already on gerrit, I'd rather review the real fix. Is there a reason you think landing 120143

Re: [openstack-dev] [zaqar] Juno Performance Testing (Round 2)

2014-09-10 Thread Flavio Percoco
[3]: One might argue that the only thing these performance tests show > is that *OnMetal* is fast. However, as I have pointed out, there was plenty > of headroom left on these servers during the tests, so similar results > should be achievable using more modest hardware. > [4]: In a real app, messages will usually be requested in batches. > [5]: In this test, the target client does not send a response message back > to the sender. However, if it did, the test would still only require a > single queue, since in Zaqar queues are duplex (although this can be > disabled by setting echo=True in the query string when listing messages). > [6]: Chosen somewhat arbitrarily. > > > ___ > OpenStack-dev mailing list > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [glance] 0.14.0 client - v2 requests broken

2014-09-10 Thread Flavio Percoco
t; it might take a while to go through the review cycle. However, the > consensus seems to be to go directly with 120300 -- that it shouldn't > take too long to get through. (And its on-demand schema behaviour is > a nice bonus too!) > +1 lets go with that! > >> Flavio > -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Zaqar graduation (round 2) [was: Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting]

2014-09-10 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 09/10/2014 03:18 PM, Gordon Sim wrote: > On 09/10/2014 09:58 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote: >> To clarify the doubts of what Zaqar is or it's not, let me quote what's >> written in the project's overview section[0]: >> >> "Zaqar is a multi-te

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Zaqar graduation (round 2) [was: Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting]

2014-09-11 Thread Flavio Percoco
for other messaging related services. One of the ideas that has come up quite a few times is having a service that provisions message brokers (or other messaging technologies). However, I believe that's a complete different service and it's out of the scope of what Zaqar wants to do. T

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] Triage Bug Day Today!

2014-09-11 Thread Flavio Percoco
;field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on > > > Awesome, Thanks for organizing this, Cindy. Flavio -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-12 Thread Flavio Percoco
nother way to access messages. It makes it easier for users to stream messages out of Zaqar if that's what works best for them. I understand that what I'm describing is precisely what a queue does but in Zaqar it's a way for users to follow-their-nose and keep consuming messages. I'm not saying it couldn't be revisited, though. I'm trying to explain that it adds support for a common way to access messages. > The fact that sessions are a part of AMQP makes it complicated to > emulate over HTTP when messages need to be ACK'd. However, it seems > pretty straight forward to me to have session ID as part of the API, and > to have an RPC bus like we do now for our usual OpenStack services that > has a topic per session. Then have the API frontends speaking over that > bus, pushing ACK's down that topic to a backend engine that maintains > the session. This is double-messaging for everything, which I wish I > could think of a better solution for, but it is still lighter weight > than putting all of the messages into a database. I'm not sure I follow what you suggested here so I'll wait before I comment. What I didn't understand is whether you were thinking to have that solution as part of Zaqar or as a way to achieve browsability without Zaqar. > Finally, two of the main sections in that article state "Store and > Forward" and "Message access by ID" are important to Zaqar. Those two > concepts are SMTP and IMAP in a nutshell. It still kind of boggles > my mind that these weren't considered as backends, given that their > protocols even match reasonably well to the parts of Zaqar's API that > pertain to messages. They may not be sexy, but I'd be quite surprised > if there wasn't an SMTP+IMAP combination out there that can scale at > least as cost effectively as Redis. FWIW, the article doesn't say "Message access by ID" is important. It says that it's there now and we can't simply remove it because there are people already using it. In this analysis, we had to choose between having half-backed APIs - because the storage driver wouldn't support all the features that have been exposed - and preserving clouds interoperability. One of the discussions we had about "Reconsidering the Unified API" brought up some good points. In particular, the feedback Devananda provided in this email[0] was very useful to make a final decision. We obviously decided to preserve cloud interoperability. In the other hand, store-and-forward is indeed, as of now, a key and important point in Zaqar's architecture. The choices the team has made for the storage drivers have been questioned a lot since its inception. At the incubation meeting the feedback was that mongodb's AGPL license was not good, hence sqlalchemy was added. At the first graduation attempt the sqlalchemy driver didn't turn out to be as good as we hoped, hence redis was added. And now IMAP. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be mean/jerk, really. What I'm trying to get at is that behind the choices the team has made there were technical aspects that were taken under consideration. I know you're not saying there weren't but I think it's worth highlighting this. That said, I haven't experimented enough with SMTP+IMAP to be able to provide a good feedback for it but I believe no one is opposed to have an IMAP+SMTP driver. However, I don't think the team, as it is now, has the resources, time and energy to maintain a fourth driver. That driver will have to live in an external repository until it proves itself to be good and worth maintaining. Really, the building blocks to do so are there, it's easy to have drivers built in external repositories and anyone can play with that. [0] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/037377.html Thanks for providing very useful feedback, Clint. Flavio -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-12 Thread Flavio Percoco
che Kafka. Unfortunately > it is a massive Java application with Zookeeper dependencies, and we all > know how Monty feels about those ;) (FWIW, I agree with him.) Given > that's a non-starter as the _default_ back-end, the current design of > allowing multiple pluggable storage

Re: [openstack-dev] [zaqar] Juno Performance Testing (Round 2)

2014-09-12 Thread Flavio Percoco
large-scale tests. Lets talk about it :) Would it be possible to get an update from you at the summit (or mailing list)? I'm interested to know where you guys are with this, what is missing and most importantly, how we can help. Thanks Boris, Flavio -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco _

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [clients] [keystone] lack of retrying tokens leads to overall OpenStack fragility

2014-09-12 Thread Flavio Percoco
totypes for at least nova to talk to neutron >> and cinder which i'm waiting for Kilo to push. From there it should be >> easier to do this for other services. >> >> For service to service communication there are two types. >> 1) using the user's token like nova->cinder. If this token expires there is >> really nothing that nova can do except raise 401 and make the client do it >> again. > > In this case it would be really good to do at least 1 retry, because > it's completely silly for us to fail an action based on a token timeout. > The solution ops are doing is changing their token expiration back to > some really large number. > >> 2) using a service user like nova->neutron. This should allow automatic >> reauthentication and will be fixed/standardied by sessions. > > Ok, glanceclient should be a high target here, because that's often > involved in long running things (snapshot manip is slow). Agreed. I started looking at this a couple of weeks ago but I'm still not sure what the best way to do this is. The failure is common when uploading huge images and I also agree that at least 1 retry should be attempted. Flavio -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-12 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 09/12/2014 11:36 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Flavio Percoco wrote: >> On 09/12/2014 12:14 AM, Zane Bitter wrote: >>> The final question is the one of arbitrary access to messages in the >>> queue (or "queue" if you prefer). Flavio indicated that this eff

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-12 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 09/12/2014 01:56 PM, Flavio Percoco wrote: > On 09/12/2014 11:36 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: >> Flavio Percoco wrote: >>> On 09/12/2014 12:14 AM, Zane Bitter wrote: >>>> The final question is the one of arbitrary access to messages in the >>>> queue (o

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] PYTHONDONTWRITEBYTECODE=true in tox.ini

2014-09-13 Thread Flavio Percoco
mmand to tox to remove the files would be less intrusive than > disabling their creation. > > We have had bad experiences mixing features to produce unusual dev > environments that are different from the way the software really runs. All of > the issues we had with namespace packages were caused by a bug in that > implementation exposed because we were doing something unusual in devstack, > for example. > > Adding some variation of “find $(python setup.py --name) --name ‘*.pyc’ | > xargs rm -f” to tox.ini before running testr solves the problem you have > identified without introducing any side-effects. > This sounds saner to me so, I'd definitely go for this one. (FWIW, I'm use to clean up `pyc` files by myself) Flavio -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Zaqar graduation (round 2) [was: Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting]

2014-09-15 Thread Flavio Percoco
e user the choice of where they want their messages to be stored. This certainly requires the deployer to have installed stores that are good for each job. For example, based on the current existing drivers, a deployer could have configured a high-throughput flavor on top of a redis node that ha

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Zaqar graduation (round 2) [was: Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting]

2014-09-16 Thread Flavio Percoco
a stateless > HTTP protocol, we need something to maintain that specific AMQP session > until the HTTP protocol receives an ACK from the client after the client > has consumed or somehow stored the message. So, these queues have to be > auto-ACK, or we have to figure out a way to

Re: [openstack-dev] [glance][all] Help with interpreting the log level guidelines

2014-09-16 Thread Flavio Percoco
>>> Please provide feedback to help us resolve this dispute if you feel you can! >> >> My feeling is this is an INFO level. There is really nothing the admin >> should care about here. > > Agree with Sean. INFO are useful for investigations. WARN and ERROR are &

Re: [openstack-dev] [Cinder][Nova][Oslo] Moving Brick out of Cinder

2014-09-16 Thread Flavio Percoco
g/p/cinder-meetup-summer-2014 >>> [3] >>> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/044608.html >>> [4] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo/CreatingANewLibrary >>> >>> Regards, >>> Ivan Kolodyazhny. >>> >>

[openstack-dev] [all][TC][Zaqar] Another graduation attempt, new lessons learned

2014-09-17 Thread Flavio Percoco
isited constantly to make sure they are both going towards the agreed goal during the incubation meeting. Ok, I think the email is long enough. I'd love to discuss the points aforementioned further and work on a way to make this process smoother and easier for everyone. Cheers, Flavio -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [zaqar] Signing Off from Core

2014-09-17 Thread Flavio Percoco
e project is where it is also because of your contributions and support. You played a key role in the project's growth and we all thank you a lot for that. I'm sad to see you go and I wish you luck on your new adventures :) Cheers, Flavio

Re: [openstack-dev] Please do *NOT* use "vendorized" versions of anything (here: glanceclient using requests.packages.urllib3)

2014-09-18 Thread Flavio Percoco
bility problems > if you try to mis requests.packages.urllib3 and urllib3 in one codebase > and if you’re using requests at all it’s going to be expecting to use > the embedded copy of urllib3. After having gone through the whole thread

Re: [openstack-dev] [oslo] zeromq work for kilo

2014-09-18 Thread Flavio Percoco
gt; setup overhead for every sent message. This may also bring further >> performance benefits due to underlying messaging batching in ZMQ. > > This sounds like it would be a good thing to do, but making what we have work > correctly and testing it feels more important for now. >

[openstack-dev] [Heat][Zaqar] Integration plan moving forward

2014-09-18 Thread Flavio Percoco
e split the above into milestones w/ due dates? Thanks, Flavio -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Zaqar and SQS Properties of Distributed Queues

2014-09-18 Thread Flavio Percoco
ns. I'm sure we had this documented way better but I can't find the link. :( [0] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zaqar/Frequently_asked_questions#How_does_Zaqar_compare_to_AWS_.28SQS.2FSNS.29.3F Hope the above helps, Flavio -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Expand resource name allowed characters

2014-09-18 Thread Flavio Percoco
;> Correct validation history is >> >> Essex: "use anything you want!" >> Folsom: "strict asci!" >> [..] >> Juno: "strict asci!" >> >> So I don't think we should make the input validation loose right no

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Zaqar and SQS Properties of Distributed Queues

2014-09-18 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 09/18/2014 04:09 PM, Gordon Sim wrote: > On 09/18/2014 12:31 PM, Flavio Percoco wrote: >> On 09/17/2014 10:36 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: >>> My understanding of Zaqar is that it's like SQS. SQS uses distributed >>> queues, which have a few unusual properties [0]

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Zaqar and SQS Properties of Distributed Queues

2014-09-18 Thread Flavio Percoco
ouldn't find anything. >> >> >> >> >> >> [0] >> http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSSimpleQueueService/latest/SQSDeveloperGuide/DistributedQueues.html >> [1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zaqar > > ___ > OpenStack-dev mailing list > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [oslo] zeromq work for kilo

2014-09-18 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 09/18/2014 04:16 PM, Kapil Thangavelu wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 4:18 AM, Flavio Percoco <mailto:fla...@redhat.com>> wrote: > > On 09/17/2014 04:34 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > This thread [1] has turned more “future focused", so I’m mov

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Zaqar and SQS Properties of Distributed Queues

2014-09-18 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 09/18/2014 05:42 PM, Steve Lewis wrote: > On September 18, 2014 7:45 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote: > >> On 09/18/2014 04:09 PM, Gordon Sim wrote: >> >>> However, as far as consuming messages is concerned, it can >>> guarantee once-and-only-once and/or at-leas

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Zaqar and SQS Properties of Distributed Queues

2014-09-19 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 09/18/2014 09:25 PM, Gordon Sim wrote: > On 09/18/2014 03:45 PM, Flavio Percoco wrote: >> On 09/18/2014 04:09 PM, Gordon Sim wrote: >>> Is the replication synchronous or asynchronous with respect to client >>> calls? E.g. will the response to a post of messages be

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Zaqar and SQS Properties of Distributed Queues

2014-09-19 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 09/18/2014 07:19 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Flavio Percoco <mailto:fla...@redhat.com>> wrote: > > On 09/18/2014 04:09 PM, Gordon Sim wrote: > > On 09/18/2014 12:31 PM, Flavio Percoco wrote: > >> O

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Zaqar and SQS Properties of Distributed Queues

2014-09-19 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 09/18/2014 07:16 PM, Devananda van der Veen wrote: > On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Devananda van der Veen > wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote: >>> On 09/18/2014 04:09 PM, Gordon Sim wrote: >>>> On 09/18/2014 12:31 PM,

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Zaqar and SQS Properties of Distributed Queues

2014-09-19 Thread Flavio Percoco
cale out the storage layer and balance the load across them. There's always space for improvement and I definitely wouldn't go that far to say there's a need to start over. -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat][Zaqar] Integration plan moving forward

2014-09-19 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 09/18/2014 11:51 AM, Angus Salkeld wrote: > > On 18/09/2014 7:11 PM, "Flavio Percoco" <mailto:fla...@redhat.com>> wrote: >> >> Greetings, >> >> If I recall correctly, Heat was planning to adopt Zaqar regardless of >> the result of

Re: [openstack-dev] Propose "project story wiki" idea

2013-11-20 Thread Flavio Percoco
ghtstreams.io/combined/marconi-progress-and-updates/ ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco

Re: [openstack-dev] How to best make User Experience a priority in every project

2013-11-21 Thread Flavio Percoco
quot;contribute" a design session to focus on improving UX across the community, and I would certainly attend! We also discussed about having a cross-project session at the summit. I think this is becoming more and more important. Cheers, FF -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco

[openstack-dev] [ALL] Wheel-enabling patches

2013-11-21 Thread Flavio Percoco
case: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57132/ Cheers, FF -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [ALL] Wheel-enabling patches

2013-11-21 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 21/11/13 18:44 +0100, Flavio Percoco wrote: Greetings, There are some patches that add support for building wheels. The patch adds a `[wheel]` section with `universal = True` `universal=True` means the applications supports py2/py3 which is not the case for most (all?) openstack projects

Re: [openstack-dev] [Cinder][Glance] OSLO update

2013-11-22 Thread Flavio Percoco
alse seen it being done by others. In most of the cases, using the commit message title is enough. However, if the sync is intended to fix a bug or introduces more relevant changes, it is definitely useful to have that expressed in the commit message. FF -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco pgpLu2NRP0IX

[openstack-dev] [Oslo] Improving oslo-incubator update.py

2013-11-22 Thread Flavio Percoco
houghts? Cheers, FF -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco pgpCmV9OwmxXq.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] Regarding Glance's behaviour when updating an image ...

2013-11-25 Thread Flavio Percoco
ges are immutable. Thanks for raising this. Cheers, FF -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco pgpjHQZsAZBI_.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

[openstack-dev] [Keystone][Marconi][Oslo] Discoverable home document for APIs (Was: Re: [Nova][Glance] Support of v1 and v2 glance APIs in Nova)

2013-11-25 Thread Flavio Percoco
e for this, I'm curious to know why - if so - you created your own spec, what are the benefits and if it's documented somewhere. Cheers, FF [0] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nottingham-json-home-02 -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco pgpSSZY2EwSLO.pgp Description: PGP signature ___

Re: [openstack-dev] [Oslo] Improving oslo-incubator update.py

2013-11-25 Thread Flavio Percoco
@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco pgpxpMTb75cQH.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [Oslo] Improving oslo-incubator update.py

2013-11-25 Thread Flavio Percoco
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Re: [openstack-dev] tenant or project

2013-11-25 Thread Flavio Percoco
(although some of our docs use the terms interchangeably). And, FWIW, Marconi uses project as well. FF -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco pgpn4defnwUMD.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://list

Re: [openstack-dev] [marconi] New meeting time

2013-11-25 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 25/11/13 17:05 +, Amit Gandhi wrote: Works for me. Works for me! -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco pgpkFlvVx8sKs.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin

[openstack-dev] [Keystone] Keystone client support for Py3K

2013-11-25 Thread Flavio Percoco
ported. As for now, we disable keystone auth when running under Py3K. Cheers, FF -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco pgp3VWRo_myJf.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-

Re: [openstack-dev] [Keystone][Marconi][Oslo] Discoverable home document for APIs (Was: Re: [Nova][Glance] Support of v1 and v2 glance APIs in Nova)

2013-11-26 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 25/11/13 16:50 -0600, Dolph Mathews wrote: On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 2:41 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote: On 25/11/13 09:28 +1000, Jamie Lennox wrote: So the way we have this in keystone at least is that querying GET / will return all available API versions and querying

Re: [openstack-dev] Gate broken right now

2013-11-26 Thread Flavio Percoco
;t able to find anyone on IRC who was able to look into this. This seems to be the issue you're talking about, is it? http://logs.openstack.org/49/57049/2/gate/gate-swift-python26/c1aedf1/console.html Thanks for the heads up! FF -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco pgpkReKS5IQwB.pgp Description

Re: [openstack-dev] [Keystone] Keystone client support for Py3K

2013-11-26 Thread Flavio Percoco
parts you think should be addressed first. Thanks again, FF -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco pgpwMjgjSiy0i.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [all project] Treating recently seen recheck bugs as critical across the board

2013-11-26 Thread Flavio Percoco
te mark those bugs as critical. Would a combination of High + tag - elastic-recheck - make sense? With the above it would be easier to triage them, to know where they came from and to prioritise them correctly. Cheers, FF -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco pgpd

Re: [openstack-dev] [Oslo] Improving oslo-incubator update.py

2013-11-27 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 26/11/13 22:54 +, Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Fri, 2013-11-22 at 12:39 -0500, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote: >1) Store the commit sha from which the module was copied from. >Every project using oslo, currently keeps the list of m

Re: [openstack-dev] [Oslo] Improving oslo-incubator update.py

2013-11-27 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 27/11/13 10:59 +, Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Wed, 2013-11-27 at 11:50 +0100, Flavio Percoco wrote: On 26/11/13 22:54 +, Mark McLoughlin wrote: >On Fri, 2013-11-22 at 12:39 -0500, Doug Hellmann wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote: >> &g

Re: [openstack-dev] [Keystone][Marconi][Oslo] Discoverable home document for APIs (Was: Re: [Nova][Glance] Support of v1 and v2 glance APIs in Nova)

2013-11-28 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 26/11/13 10:57 -0600, Dolph Mathews wrote: On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote: As crazy as it sounds, have you guys considered migrating to Nottingham's approach? It only sounds crazy because I have no idea how to "migrate" an unversioned endpo

Re: [openstack-dev] [oslo] maintenance policy for code graduating from the incubator

2013-12-02 Thread Flavio Percoco
ow we have been responding to patches and blueprints offerings improvements and feature requests for oslo.messaging. +1 FF -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco pgpq0wWsoLCQL.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.ope

Re: [openstack-dev] [oslo] maintenance policy for code graduating from the incubator

2013-12-02 Thread Flavio Percoco
ving obsolete packages there may make sense. I'd also update the module - or package - and make it print a deprecation warning. FF -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco pgpNqMKh1PkJM.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list O

Re: [openstack-dev] [oslo] maintenance policy for code graduating from the incubator

2013-12-02 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 02/12/13 09:40 -0500, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote: On 02/12/13 09:06 -0500, Russell Bryant wrote: On 12/02/2013 08:53 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: So, to clarify, possible flows would be: 1) An API moving to a library as

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack-tc] Incubation Request for Barbican

2013-12-03 Thread Flavio Percoco
I think doing it by Icehouse seems reasonable. I think that is what you and Monty are asking for? I have added the task to our list on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Barbican/Incubation. Thanks a lot for this, really! Cheers, FF -- @flaper87 F

Re: [openstack-dev] Request for review (glance-multifilesystem-store patch)

2013-12-03 Thread Flavio Percoco
get some feedback there. Thanks! FF -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] Anybody working on bug 1251055?

2013-12-04 Thread Flavio Percoco
e end of the day. Cheers, FF -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco pgpJB2reqvj7y.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

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