Excerpts from Chris Dent's message of 2015-04-29 18:45:54 +0100:
> On Wed, 29 Apr 2015, Doug Hellmann wrote:
>
> > Taking as given that we should be open and communicate more, I would
> > like to ask a concrete question. It seems like there is a general
> > sense of concern about communication, b
On Wed, 2015-04-29 at 12:59 +0300, Maish Saidel-Keesing wrote:
> Again my apologies for the incorrect format - since I am still not
> receiving the messages from this thread.
let me know if you want me to investigate this further.
> Doug - evidently this is not working as it should. As Chris said
On 04/29/15 21:59, Stefano Maffulli wrote:
On Wed, 2015-04-29 at 18:28 +0300, Maish Saidel-Keesing wrote:
How about the fact that the definition of an ATC was changed [1] for a
free Summit pass? [2]
This was not a decision of the TC, it was a decision of the Foundation
staff. The definition o
On Wed, 2015-04-29 at 18:28 +0300, Maish Saidel-Keesing wrote:
> How about the fact that the definition of an ATC was changed [1] for a
> free Summit pass? [2]
This was not a decision of the TC, it was a decision of the Foundation
staff. The definition of ATC has *not* changed, that's embedded in
On Wed, 29 Apr 2015, Doug Hellmann wrote:
Taking as given that we should be open and communicate more, I would
like to ask a concrete question. It seems like there is a general
sense of concern about communication, but I want to make sure it's
not related to ongoing discussions. Is there somet
On 2015-04-29 11:48:36 -0400 (-0400), Doug Hellmann wrote:
> Excerpts from Maish Saidel-Keesing's message of 2015-04-29 18:28:45 +0300:
[...]
> > How about the fact that the definition of an ATC was changed [1] for a
> > free Summit pass? [2]
>
> I could be wrong, but I don't think that was a TC
On 2015-04-29 12:59:35 +0300 (+0300), Maish Saidel-Keesing wrote:
[...]
> Excerpts from Jeremy Stanley's message of 2015-04-28 16:21:17 +:
> >/ On 2015-04-28 16:30:21 +0100 (+0100), Chris Dent wrote:
> />/ [...]
> />/ > What's important to avoid is the blog postings being only reporting of
>
Excerpts from Maish Saidel-Keesing's message of 2015-04-29 18:28:45 +0300:
> On 04/29/15 17:28, Doug Hellmann wrote:
> > Taking as given that we should be open and communicate more, I would
> > like to ask a concrete question. It seems like there is a general
> > sense of concern about communicati
On 04/29/15 17:28, Doug Hellmann wrote:
Excerpts from Maish Saidel-Keesing's message of 2015-04-29 12:59:35 +0300:
Again my apologies for the incorrect format - since I am still not
receiving the messages from this thread.
Please see my comments with the abstracts within (unfortunately not
nece
Excerpts from Maish Saidel-Keesing's message of 2015-04-29 12:59:35 +0300:
> Again my apologies for the incorrect format - since I am still not
> receiving the messages from this thread.
>
> Please see my comments with the abstracts within (unfortunately not
> necessarily in the correct order)
>
Thank you for your honest and forthright reply, Chris. I shall respond
inline.
On 04/28/2015 02:11 PM, Chris Dent wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Apr 2015, Anita Kuno wrote:
>
>> At present, I am beginning to wonder to what degree you are being honest
>> with us? Is you intention to know the candidates or to
On 29 April 2015 at 20:48, Thierry Carrez wrote:
> Stefano Maffulli wrote:
>> I've long come to the conclusion that it is what it is: at the size
>> we're at, we can't expect every voter to be fully informed about all the
>> issues.
>>
>> Better titles and a sort of TL;DR first paragraph in blog p
Again my apologies for the incorrect format - since I am still not
receiving the messages from this thread.
Please see my comments with the abstracts within (unfortunately not
necessarily in the correct order)
I think that the point here was that Doug mentioned that there was
communication
Stefano Maffulli wrote:
> I've long come to the conclusion that it is what it is: at the size
> we're at, we can't expect every voter to be fully informed about all the
> issues.
>
> Better titles and a sort of TL;DR first paragraph in blog posts are very
> helpful. But in order to write those, th
Excerpts from Joshua Harlow's message of 2015-04-28 11:30:01 -0700:
> Jeremy Stanley wrote:
> > On 2015-04-28 16:30:21 +0100 (+0100), Chris Dent wrote:
> > [...]
> >> What's important to avoid is the blog postings being only reporting of
> >> "conclusions". They also need to be invitations to parti
Jeremy Stanley wrote:
On 2015-04-28 16:30:21 +0100 (+0100), Chris Dent wrote:
[...]
What's important to avoid is the blog postings being only reporting of
"conclusions". They also need to be invitations to participate in the
discussions. Yes, the mailing list, gerrit and meeting logs have some
o
On 04/28/2015 12:42 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote:
> Excerpts from Jeremy Stanley's message of 2015-04-28 16:21:17 +:
>> On 2015-04-28 16:30:21 +0100 (+0100), Chris Dent wrote:
>> [...]
>>> What's important to avoid is the blog postings being only reporting of
>>> "conclusions". They also need to be
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015, Anita Kuno wrote:
At present, I am beginning to wonder to what degree you are being honest
with us? Is you intention to know the candidates or to communicate your
dissatisfaction with the current blog post situation?
You'll note that I didn't have anything to say about the
On Tue, 2015-04-28 at 16:30 +0100, Chris Dent wrote:
> What's important to avoid is the blog postings being only reporting of
> "conclusions". They also need to be invitations to participate in the
> discussions. Yes, the mailing list, gerrit and meeting logs have some
> of the ongoing discussions
On Mon, 2015-04-27 at 17:00 -0400, Doug Hellmann wrote:
> I would have to go back and check, but I'm pretty sure the posts were
> highlighted in Stef's community newsletter email.
They were, in fact. But I know as a fact that even if people many love
the newsletter, I have the impression that few
On 04/23/2015 12:14 PM, Chris Dent wrote:
>
> This might be a bit presumptuous, but why not give it a try...
>
> This cycle's TC elections didn't come with a set of prepackaged
> questions and though the self-nomination messages have included some
> very interesting stuff I think it would be usef
Excerpts from Jeremy Stanley's message of 2015-04-28 16:21:17 +:
> On 2015-04-28 16:30:21 +0100 (+0100), Chris Dent wrote:
> [...]
> > What's important to avoid is the blog postings being only reporting of
> > "conclusions". They also need to be invitations to participate in the
> > discussions
On 2015-04-28 16:30:21 +0100 (+0100), Chris Dent wrote:
[...]
> What's important to avoid is the blog postings being only reporting of
> "conclusions". They also need to be invitations to participate in the
> discussions. Yes, the mailing list, gerrit and meeting logs have some
> of the ongoing dis
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015, Doug Hellmann wrote:
Thanks very much for the information about this stuff thus far. To
take the discussion to its logical extreme, for the sake of the
discussion and not (just) to be snarky, I want to respond to
something from this last paragraph
We do not always resolve a
Excerpts from Chris Dent's message of 2015-04-27 23:20:39 +0100:
> On Mon, 27 Apr 2015, Doug Hellmann wrote:
>
> > I believe all of the posts were on the main OpenStack foundation blog
> > under the "technical committee" tag [1], and they also went to
> > planet.openstack.org for folks who subscri
On 23 April 2015 at 09:14, Chris Dent wrote:
>
> This might be a bit presumptuous, but why not give it a try...
>
> This cycle's TC elections didn't come with a set of prepackaged
> questions and though the self-nomination messages have included some
> very interesting stuff I think it would be u
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015, Doug Hellmann wrote:
I believe all of the posts were on the main OpenStack foundation blog
under the "technical committee" tag [1], and they also went to
planet.openstack.org for folks who subscribe to the entire community
feed.
Ah. Some things about that:
* in the right
Excerpts from Richard Raseley's message of 2015-04-27 12:55:11 -0700:
> Doug Hellmann wrote:
> > I think we chose blog posts for their relative permanence, and
> > retweetability. Maybe we should post to the mailing list instead,
> > if the contributor community follows the list more regularly than
Doug Hellmann wrote:
I think we chose blog posts for their relative permanence, and
retweetability. Maybe we should post to the mailing list instead,
if the contributor community follows the list more regularly than
blogs?
I like blog posts for the reasons you mentioned.
Perhaps sending a mess
Excerpts from Chris Dent's message of 2015-04-27 17:32:12 +0100:
> On Mon, 27 Apr 2015, Doug Hellmann wrote:
>
> > For outgoing communication, during Kilo (and possibly Juno) we tried
> > blogging meeting summaries. Did folks notice? Were the posts useful?
>
> Is there a TC specific blog place of
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015, Doug Hellmann wrote:
For outgoing communication, during Kilo (and possibly Juno) we tried
blogging meeting summaries. Did folks notice? Were the posts useful?
Is there a TC specific blog place of interest? I sometimes stumble
on blog postings from people I know are TC peop
On Apr 27, 2015, at 9:20 AM, Jay Pipes wrote:
> = Have a monthly "Feedback from Operators" conversation =
>
> Dedicate part or all of one TC IRC meeting time per month to discuss operator
> feedback. Invite the operator community to come and tell us what has
> improved, what needs improving, a
Chris, apologies for the late reply. No real excuse other than I wanted
to hear what the other candidates had to say and listen a bit before I
responded.
On 04/23/2015 12:14 PM, Chris Dent wrote:
Here's the question:
What can and should the TC at large, and you specifically, do to ensure
qual
On 27/04/15 08:46 -0400, Doug Hellmann wrote:
Excerpts from Flavio Percoco's message of 2015-04-27 08:52:01 +0200:
On 23/04/15 17:14 +0100, Chris Dent wrote:
>
>This might be a bit presumptuous, but why not give it a try...
>
>This cycle's TC elections didn't come with a set of prepackaged
>ques
Excerpts from Flavio Percoco's message of 2015-04-27 08:52:01 +0200:
> On 23/04/15 17:14 +0100, Chris Dent wrote:
> >
> >This might be a bit presumptuous, but why not give it a try...
> >
> >This cycle's TC elections didn't come with a set of prepackaged
> >questions and though the self-nomination
On 23/04/15 17:14 +0100, Chris Dent wrote:
This might be a bit presumptuous, but why not give it a try...
This cycle's TC elections didn't come with a set of prepackaged
questions and though the self-nomination messages have included some
very interesting stuff I think it would be useful to get
On 04/24/2015 06:28 PM, David Medberry wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 2:14 AM, Chris Dent wrote:
>
>>
>> What can and should the TC at large, and you specifically, do to ensure
>> quality improves for the developers, end-users and operators of
>> OpenStack as a full system, both as a project be
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 2:14 AM, Chris Dent wrote:
>
> What can and should the TC at large, and you specifically, do to ensure
> quality improves for the developers, end-users and operators of
> OpenStack as a full system, both as a project being developed and a
> product being used?
Hello Chri
> On Apr 23, 2015, at 9:14 AM, Chris Dent wrote:
>
> What can and should the TC at large, and you specifically, do to ensure
> quality improves for the developers, end-users and operators of
> OpenStack as a full system, both as a project being developed and a
> product being used?
>
I have st
On 24/04/15 09:52, Ed Leafe wrote:
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On 04/24/2015 08:30 AM, Zane Bitter wrote:
I'm not sure what you see as the difference between the "end
users" and the "operators" of OpenStack, because in my mind they
are one and the same. I don't consider the
On 04/24/2015 10:42 AM, Chris Dent wrote:
On Fri, 24 Apr 2015, Ed Leafe wrote:
I read "the downstream" to mean what you refer to as "people who
deploy workloads on them". In this context, I saw the operators as the
end-users of the work the devs do. If that gave the impression that I
don't care
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Chris Dent wrote:
> What can and should the TC at large, and you specifically, do to ensure
> quality improves for the developers, end-users and operators of
> OpenStack as a full system, both as a project being developed and a
> product being used?
Thank yo
On Fri, 24 Apr 2015, Ed Leafe wrote:
I read "the downstream" to mean what you refer to as "people who
deploy workloads on them". In this context, I saw the operators as the
end-users of the work the devs do. If that gave the impression that I
don't care about people who actually run their stuff
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Chris Dent wrote:
> What can and should the TC at large, and you specifically, do to ensure
> quality improves for the developers, end-users and operators of
> OpenStack as a full system, both as a project being developed and a
> product being used?
One thing
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On 04/24/2015 08:30 AM, Zane Bitter wrote:
>> I'm not sure what you see as the difference between the "end
>> users" and the "operators" of OpenStack, because in my mind they
>> are one and the same. I don't consider the people using, say,
>> pub
On 24/04/15 09:00, Ed Leafe wrote:
I'm not sure what you see as the difference between the "end users" and the
"operators" of OpenStack, because in my mind they are one and the same. I don't consider
the people using, say, public cloud services to be OpenStack end users, because ultimately they
Hello Chris, and thank you for posting this question.
First I must apologize since I was not able to answer this thread
earlier - due to a problem with me receiving the emails from the list. I
had to ask the election committee how to add my answer to the thread, I
hope this attempt works forgi
On Apr 23, 2015, at 11:14 AM, Chris Dent wrote:
> This might be a bit presumptuous, but why not give it a try…
Presumptuous? Nah, any candidate should be willing to answer questions.
> This cycle's TC elections didn't come with a set of prepackaged
> questions and though the self-nomination mes
Chris Dent wrote:
> What can and should the TC at large, and you specifically, do to ensure
> quality improves for the developers, end-users and operators of
> OpenStack as a full system, both as a project being developed and a
> product being used?
At a strategic level, as I mention in my candida
On 24 April 2015 at 04:14, Chris Dent wrote:
>
> This might be a bit presumptuous, but why not give it a try...
Nothing presumptuous about it at all :)
> There are many different ways to define "quality". For the sake of
> this question feel free to use whatever definition you like but take
> it
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 2:14 AM, Chris Dent wrote:
>
> This might be a bit presumptuous, but why not give it a try...
>
> This cycle's TC elections didn't come with a set of prepackaged
> questions and though the self-nomination messages have included some
> very interesting stuff I think it woul
On 23/04/15 12:14, Chris Dent wrote:
This might be a bit presumptuous, but why not give it a try...
Not at all, we should *strongly* encourage people to ask questions of
the candidates.
In fact, I think we should encourage everyone to contribute to the
discussion, not just the candidates.
Hey there Chris!
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 9:17 AM Chris Dent wrote:
> What can and should the TC at large, and you specifically, do to
> ensure quality improves for the developers, end-users and operators
> of OpenStack as a full system, both as a project being developed and
> a product being use
On 04/23/2015 12:14 PM, Chris Dent wrote:
>
> This might be a bit presumptuous, but why not give it a try...
Thank you for asking the question, Chris, my response is below.
Anita.
>
> This cycle's TC elections didn't come with a set of prepackaged
> questions and though the self-nomination messa
This might be a bit presumptuous, but why not give it a try...
This cycle's TC elections didn't come with a set of prepackaged
questions and though the self-nomination messages have included some
very interesting stuff I think it would be useful to get answers
from the candidates on at least one
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